Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those hi-tech diesel they make to the US because of the crummy fuel here. I had an '87 MB 300D terrible-diesel for about 5

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:46:00AM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > At 09:59 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > > Diesel, Tim, they run on diesel. Too bad MB won't import any of those > >hi-tech > >diesel they make to the US because

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybri

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 08:55:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: > > If they intend to sell thin in the US they would be advised to have one 3 > wheels instead of an apparent 4. In many states (incl. California) > 3-wheeled vehicles are considered motorcycles and get to use the "diamond" > lanes

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tyler Durden
tter of blood on my bumper: "You fucked up my Mercedes!" Is what I told them as their last few moments of life ebbed away -TD From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power Date: Wed, 29 J

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Bill Stewart
When Bush is talking about a hydrogen economy, remember that he's really referring to Orion-engine cars... At 06:38 PM 01/29/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: It's why I'll be safer when I run into Harmon on the freeways. His heirs will appreciate his savings in gasoline for the time he owned his Lupo.

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: (snip) > Since my life and my safety is vastly more valuable to me than saving > $350-$600 a year in gas, I'll be keeping my 3500-pound S-Class. Ah, yes, the old "big cars are safer" arguement. I've seen studies that went both ways, ye

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:23 PM 1/29/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > >Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much > > better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybrids, VW bu

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-30 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 07:59 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:38:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote: (snip) Since my life and my safety is vastly more valuable to me than saving $350-$600 a year in gas, I'll be keeping my 3500-pound S-Class. Ah, yes, the old "big ca

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > >Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much > > better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybrids, VW builds some pretty nice > > diesel cars, including th

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Although canola oil is a much better source for fuel. And diesels a much > better IC engine for hybrids. Even in non-hybrids, VW builds some pretty nice > diesel cars, including the Lupo, on the market for a couple years now, which > gets 80mpg. And t

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Tyler Durden
Mike Rossing wrote... "Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens is all." That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some research on how to melt down Muslims and convert then directly into fossil fuels, bypassing all the middlemen...Mus

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:05:22PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: > Mike Rossing wrote... > "Just gotta kill off a few more arabs to extend the time when that happens > is all." > > That gives me a damned good idea. Perhaps we can use Camp XRay to do some > research on how to melt down Muslims and c

Re: [DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > Oh come on. Its all economics. (With tech changing the params) > Fuel cells for cars are too expensive today. There is not enough > methanol > production/distrib infrastructure, which costs to create. [insert > Metcalfe's law (aka fax or networ

[DIGRESSION] RE: the news from bush's speech...H-power

2003-01-29 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:53 PM 1/29/03 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: >Don't get it: onboard fuel reforming with methanol is almost done, fuel >cells with polymer proton membranes are already good enough (though still >being optimized rapidly, particularly in terms of energy density and >platinum group metal content) and