Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread david
On Friday 07 March 2003 00:52, gann wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed snip I'm in favor of it snip Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare.

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread A.Melon
On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment protections against self-incrimination. DUI

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:31:40 -0500 (est), Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Screw that - just buy a few thousand of these little devices, disable them so that they're always transmitting drunk driver and install them in politicians' cars all over DC (make sure you install'em in cop cars too.) You

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
david wrote: But you wouldn't mind if insurance companies required the device in order for you to get a policy (whether or not it called the police or just the insurance company) ? Right ? If I did mind, I'd just find a different insurance company. It's a little bit harder for me to say, I

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you [whoever that was?] wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device,

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Harmon Seaver
I wonder what the effect would be in states like WI which don't require auto insurance. Insurance is noticably cheaper here than in MN which does require it. On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 01:25:05PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 08:52 AM 03/10/2003 -0500, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Skulking Rogue
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:52:29 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:56:36PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to prevent the guilty from trampling over everything, God

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread david
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, you wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth amendment

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-11 Thread david
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:16, A.Melon wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 10:31 am, david wrote: Neither you nor anyone else has the right to force me or any other individual to subsidize your welfare. This device, if forced on individuals by a government entity, would violate fourth

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-09 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Fuck you and fuck the man. I don't need any electronic snitch in my car. Do you? If you do, maybe you're in need of professional help! Hey! Keep him alive! :) If he's genuine, he can serve as a study material for observing the Adversary-sympathetic mindset. Think zoo, or a lab animal. The

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-08 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:56 PM 3/7/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to prevent the guilty from trampling over everything, Allah willing. Wrong

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-08 Thread Tim May
On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 12:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would fairly entertain said discussion. Erle http://ganns.com You're on the wrong list here for at least four reasons: 1. You're spamming us with some idea I have a hunch you are connected with in some way. 2. You're a statist.

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-08 Thread gann
instead of scraping the bottom of the vocabulary barrel. - Original Message - From: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sycophantic Boot Licker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police On Fri, 7 Mar

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-08 Thread gann
- Original Message - From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police False positives: What about folks with vinegar on their breath? I think that being pulled over once

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-08 Thread gann
- Original Message - From: Dan Veeneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police I had an acquaintance years ago that always kept a bottle of cologne in the car. If he was ever pulled over

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread stuart
ggc University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst ggc converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a current ggc proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the air. A chip analyses the ggc data, and if it is too high, turns on a wireless transmitter

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Bill Frantz
At 10:52 PM -0800 3/6/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:28 AM 03/07/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers Would you buy one if you're drunk? Would you put one in

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:56 PM -0500 on 3/7/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, easy there, chief. You're new here, aren'tcha? :-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA

Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
Screw that - just buy a few thousand of these little devices, disable them so that they're always transmitting drunk driver and install them in politicians' cars all over DC (make sure you install'em in cop cars too.) You can also leave them in cabs. They'll be banned immediately.

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
So you hook it up to a wad of cotton dipped in Jack... Whatever. Fuck Big Brother. Fuck it in the ass until it squeals, then fuck it some more. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Good job. You just caused law enforcement to ignore emitters from all cabs, government, and police vehicles. My guess is that the unit will perform a self-check and emit a broken signal instead of drunk. Maybe the police will only pull over broken vehicles not listed above, knowing that broken

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Actually, read the article. It covers sober driver and drunk passengers. Quoting Bill Frantz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 10:52 PM -0800 3/6/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
I don't guess you read the article. It answers at least your first question. Another option to breathing through a tube might be to not drink alcohol before driving. Wow, you know... deterring people from drinking and driving might be a favorable side effect of this public-monitoring,

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Dan Veeneman
At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, you wrote: A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a current proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the air. I had an acquaintance years ago that always kept a bottle of cologne

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Pete Capelli
drunk driving? -p - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police I don't guess you read the article. It answers at least your first question

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
: Drunk driver detector that radios police I don't guess you read the article. It answers at least your first question. Another option to breathing through a tube might be to not drink alcohol before driving. Wow, you know... deterring people from drinking and driving might

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Wow, easy there, chief. I think you have some aggression you may want to let a professional address. Besides that... I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 Sycophantic Boot Licker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to prevent the guilty from trampling over everything,