[db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-12 Thread William Weber via db-wg
Hi, As the Netherlands recognise the Republic of Kosovo as sovereign nation (see 1), and the EU does as well (see 2) there should be a way to include the proposed 2 letter country code (XK, see 3) as option for inet(6)num objects. The EU and other multinational organisation (IMF, SWIFT etc., see 4

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-12 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
To one side of your core concern, which I think is entirely valid. AP technically "belongs" to the African Fisheries forum, and APNIC deprecates use of AP in delegated statistics. as I write, only one (asn) record has AP against it. It may be used in Whois or RDAP. EU is used more widely but I ha

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg
In message , William Weber wrote: >It makes no sense that EU and AP is available (which are not countries, AP >is not even in ISO-3166-2), but XK is not. I guess that it is a Good Thing that ICANN never saw fit to retire the .SU TLD, as that seems to be coming back into fashion now. -- To un

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
George Michaelson via db-wg wrote on 13/05/2022 01:59: Really? Geo is better solved. by Geofeed. There's an RFC for how to tell people where a network documents its intended use of resources, we do better to follow it in my opinion country: isn't intended for geolocation. It's the country whe

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread William Weber via db-wg
There is also a taxation issue here, i cannot put an invoice that lists Serbia or Albania as country for my company in my accounting or i probably go to jail, if not fined at the very least. My main problem is i cannot even sign up a LIR from Kosovo easily - I get told by RIPE to select either Serb

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 12:51:12PM +0200, William Weber via db-wg wrote: > My main problem is i cannot even sign up a LIR from Kosovo easily - I get > told by RIPE to select either Serbia or Albania and provide documents from > either country, direct quote from support: > > > You will be aske

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread William Weber via db-wg
--I think this is not so much a DB-WG issue, but a NCC members / board issue. I agree, but was sent to DB-WG by RIPE support. -- William On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 12:56 PM Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 12:51:12PM +0200, William Weber via db-wg wrote: > > My main problem i

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi William, A small clarification: currently only "officially assigned" ISO3166 country codes, and "EU" (exceptionally reserved) are valid as "country:" values in the RIPE database. "AP" is not currently allowed as a country code in the RIPE database. Regards Ed Shryane RIPE NCC > On 13 May

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread Bill Woodcock via db-wg
> I think this is not so much a DB-WG issue, but a NCC members / board issue. There are two very separate issues here. The first issue is whether folks in Kosovo are being adequately served by RIPE, and it sounds like the answer to that is pretty clearly “no.” The implementation details of _h

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 02:23:48PM +0200, Bill Woodcock via db-wg wrote: > Exposing something other than a reserved country-code in RIPE???s > user-facing software is a Simple Matter of Programming, and keeps > RIPE from looking like they???re overstepping their mandate in a > particularly clu

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread David Conrad via db-wg
William, > On May 13, 2022, at 2:11 AM, William Weber via db-wg wrote: > > I am aware the the X* series of codes is reserved and not permanently > assigned, however UN Security Council resolution 1244/99 (see 6) mandates the > use binding to all UN members. > The “X*” series is not reserved,

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-13 Thread William Weber via db-wg
In the end i dont care, Kosovo is a country (acknowledged by 50%+ of UN members including NL) and i want to be able to use it as intended. — William Sent from my iPhone > On 13.05.2022, at 21:58, David Conrad wrote: > > William, > >> On May 13, 2022, at 2:11 AM, William Weber via db-wg wr

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-14 Thread Carsten Schiefner via db-wg
Hi Bill, On 13.05.2022 14:23, Bill Woodcock via db-wg wrote: > [...] > > The second issue is whether RIPE should be in the business of overriding the > ICP-1 delegation of the ccTLD namespace to ISO, which in turn delegates it to > the UN Statistics Division. [...] I can't see how the ccTLD na

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-14 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
[ off list ] there was a reason jon went with 1366; outsourced the decision. randy -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-05-14 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
> [ off list ] well, i guess not; thank you dmarc -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-16 Thread William Weber via db-wg
Did anything ever happen with this? I still have to use Albania and with the new country set in ORGs i and other ISPs in Kosovo have even more problems now. We are extremely unhappy with this situation, the RIPE NCC and Dutch government can expect an official complaint letter from the Kosovarian g

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-16 Thread Bill Woodcock via db-wg
I’m with DRC on this one… This isn’t RIPE’s call to make, it’s the UN’s. You’re barking up the wrong tree. -Bill > On Nov 17, 2022, at 12:09 AM, William Weber via db-wg wrote: > > Did anything ever happen with this? I still have to use Albania and with the > n

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-16 Thread William Weber via db-wg
It is not really as the Netherlands and the EU recognise Kosovo as independent country. By your logic Taiwan/TW should also be not selectable, it however is - and Taiwan is recognised by much less countries ("UN members") than Kosovo. -- William On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 6:48 AM Bill Woodcock wrot

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-17 Thread Franco Tauceri via db-wg
Quoting William Weber via db-wg : It is not really as the Netherlands and the EU recognise Kosovo as independent country. By your logic Taiwan/TW should also be not selectable, it however is - and Taiwan is recognised by much less countries ("UN members") than Kosovo.     T

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-17 Thread Bill Woodcock via db-wg
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 6:58 AM, William Weber via db-wg wrote: > It is not really as the Netherlands and the EU recognise Kosovo as > independent country. > By your logic Taiwan/TW should also be not selectable, it however is - and > Taiwan is recognised by much less countries ("UN members") tha

Re: [db-wg] Recognisition of Kosovo and adding of LIR signup options with Kosovo as well as XK in inet(6)num

2022-11-17 Thread Shane Kerr via db-wg
William, Job promised to bring it to a RIPE NCC board meeting. This happened here: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2022/minutes-159th-executive-board-meeting "The Board asked to pursue possible solutions for registrations of members from Kosovo. Athina Fragkouli noted thi