Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread robert havoc pennington
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > I suggest that Section B. "Use of language and typography" be > amended to include a statement similar to "Where the context permits, > the masculine shall include the feminine, and the singular shall > include the plural". Then all of the clumsy co

Re: package ordering in dpkg methods (was Re: Distribution ordering)

1998-04-28 Thread Drake Diedrich
On 3 Apr 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: > While you're thinking about ordering, have you thought about > integration Manoj's pkg-order into dpkg-http in order to provide more > reasonable unpack/config/remove ordering to dpkg-http? Would this be > extremely difficult to do? Do you need volunteers?

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm. I do think this leads to a dilution of technical discipline. And > we already have way too many open bug reports; people do not seem to > want to fix ``real'' bugs, and ``mere'' policy reports would be seen > as fluff. Policy is a kind of stat

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the problem has arisen because 1) the policy documents > have not sufficiently delineated the difference between prescriptive > (shall, must) provisions and (strong) recommendations (should, must), > and 2) because some (many?) developers disag

Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread David Welton
Ok, I have had enough.. I would like to do something! After hearing for the nth time that someone's computer wont work with debian but will with redhat and slackware, I would like to try my hand at making some boot disks. I read the BootDisk HOWTO in the past, and I think I get the basic idea, bu

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "They" is not only a singular, it is also widely accepted as a singular > pronoun, and has been used as such by not only ordinary people but also > great writers for hundreds of years. All of my dictionaries give "nominative plural of he, she, or it" a

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why do you think that these are the reasons? > > You might be right, but I'd like to know your reasons before agreeing > that these are the primary reasons for bugs not being fixed. There are a nuamber of sub-threads in this thread using the same h

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Jules Bean
--On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 8:29 pm -0400 "Bob Hilliard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "They" is not only a singular, it is also widely accepted as a singular >> pronoun, and has been used as such by not only ordinary people but also >> great writers for hund

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a nuamber of sub-threads in this thread using the same > header. My posting was written before I saw the one that discussed > open bugs. The "problem" that I was referring to was the disagreement > between those who felt policy should be a

Re: RFC: dpkg and handling of the Unconfigured state

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Yann Dirson wrote: > Any comments on this ? Well, I have not observed that dpkg is capable of placing guarentees on the dependency state during the *rm scripts. Alot of packages make use of their dependents during their removal which leads the the problem that you can no lon

Re: why not mingetty??

1998-04-28 Thread Jeff Sheinberg
Raul Miller writes: > Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is of course trivial to do by putting a clear screen escape > > sequence at the top of /etc/issue. Make it 25 blank lines if you don't > > want terminal-type dependencies... > > Conceptually, you probably don't want to c

Re: why not mingetty??

1998-04-28 Thread David Welton
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:02:08PM -0400, Jeff Sheinberg wrote: > I use agetty. I like it that the screen is not cleared by > default. Use the /etc/issue file if you want to muck with the > screen. Use your .bash_logout if you want to clear the screen as > you logout. There is actually a way t

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:34:00AM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcus Brinkmann) wrote on 23.04.98 in <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 09:53:54AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > As far as I can tell this license is DFSG-free; please let me know if

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:36:00AM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Bridgett) wrote on 23.04.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 09:53:54AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > As far as I can tell this license is DFSG-free; please let me know if you

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread storm
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Don't spread misinformation, please. Did we read the same license? > > I quote it her for you: > > Copyright (c) 1997-1998 by Armin Biere. > > Author: Armin Biere. > > Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any > purpose on a

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread vanco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Jules Bean wrote: I must apologize, I was the one that fueled this technical jargon battle. I personally don't care. My bad ;) "Like father like son" - --- Aar

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread vanco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, David Welton wrote: > Ok, I have had enough.. I would like to do something! > > After hearing for the nth time that someone's computer wont work with > debian but will with redhat and slackware, I would like to try my hand > at making some

Re: why not mingetty??

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Jeff Sheinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If my idea of a useful default is different from yours, then let > us each have her way with a configurable file. You're right -- new behavior should be an option, not a new default. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subj

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And now my comments: > 1) He does not mention that selling is allowed. So you are not allowed to > sell it. Er, you're allowed to redistribute it freely, and there's no restriction on selling it. What situation are you imagining where this is a proble

First successfull hamm install

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
I have tried 3 times now to get the hamm boot disks to work and today was the first time. Just installed it onto a removable scsi disk in my 486, seems to have gone well. A few comments, - Why isn't the 'archive path' remembered? I had to enter it once for the modules and again for the base se

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Alex Romosan
> I say everybody is too paranoid. Who cares what it looks like? Do ^ >it effectively and use the most common method, whoever's toes it steps on. >Don't be afraid to put "he" because somebody will surely slander you for >you

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:18:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > is nothing more annoying than to be in a directory deep in the tree > root:/usr/local/src/Work/graphics/png/full_color/logos/Linux/open/.xv/(32): > > See wht I mean? If you must have the path name, arrange to > chop compon

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:37:42AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am sorry to burst that bubble, but do you care to centest that argument > with my english teacher? > > "they" is a plural non-gender pronoun. When writing in formal english, it > is required thatspecific formal pronouns be use

X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst bombed. I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, this also means that every window manager has a dependency on that package

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:32:54PM -0700, David Welton wrote: > In any case, I'm just stressed out.. I'm frustrated that it doesnt > work, and I couldnt help a friend install debian, and I'd like to do > something about it, other than just whining. For one particular install I did, Debian was the

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:28:45AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In my experience, debian's bootdisk problems are inherent to the > entire "disk" method of installation. The way it is constructed (in hamm), > it needs 9 brand-new disks, with no blemish. If even one disk has a few > bad bl

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Bear Giles
> On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:36:00AM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: > > However, it is not as obvious as you want to make us believe. Things that > are not explicitely allowed are forbidden. Things that are not spelled out, > are not there at all. There is only little room for interpretation of lega

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hmm. I do think this leads to a dilution of technical >> discipline. And we already have way too many open bug reports; >> people do not seem to want to fix ``real'' bugs, and ``mere'' >> p

Re: Bug#21726 (tar: doesn't dump files to /dev/null)

1998-04-28 Thread Rainer Clasen
Hi! Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The behaviour you are reportin in tar is not a bug. It is an optimization > that allows backup tools like Amanda to use a tar to /dev/null to quickly > estimate the size of a prospective backup when doing tape space planning. > > This is well-documented

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor > BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone > which distribution you are running. Actually, as I understood it, the problem was poor linux floppy drivers.

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > In earlier discussions, it was agreed that the proper location > for dictionary databases under the FHS would be > /usr/share/dict/. > > Subsequently, I have obtained a copy of the FHS, and have > discussed this subject with the upstream author

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. > > I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, t

Re: man 2 intro - SVID (fwd)

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 27, Liran Zvibel wrote: > BTW2: What do you think about Stevens' book "Advanced Programming in the > Unix Environment"? Should I buy it? Yes! IMHO it is a great book. It contains all you need to know about Unix programming. Thanks, Peter -- Peter Tobias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Bug#21726 (tar: doesn't dump files to /dev/null)

1998-04-28 Thread Bdale Garbee
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Yes, I know it may be too late to be changed, but are there any hints whom : to contact to get this "fixed"? The upstream maintainer, of course. Read the /usr/doc/tar/README.Debian file. Also, note that if you pipe tar's output through cat or dd on th

netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:01:09PM +0200, Peter Tobias wrote: > On Apr 26, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 02:50:49PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > > > > > > Currently the base sy

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Aaron Howell
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > Then we have two options: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > > If nobody objects, I will choose the first option for the next > boot-floppies rele

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 06:18:13PM +1000, Aaron Howell wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > Then we have two options: > > > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > > > > If nobo

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 05:32:54PM -0700, David Welton wrote: > Ok, I have had enough.. I would like to do something! [...] > In any case, I'm just stressed out.. I'm frustrated that it doesnt > work, and I couldnt help a friend install debian, and I'd like to do > something about it, other than j

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:28:45AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In my experience, debian's bootdisk problems are inherent to the > entire "disk" method of installation. The way it is constructed (in hamm), > it needs 9 brand-new disks, with no blemish. If even one disk has a few > bad

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
take a look at r2d2, a tool written by winfried truemper. it does exactly this : get rid of all init.d scripts for daemons, and offer a way to start them standalone, via inetd or via xinetd. btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like windows nt registry, but with a

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Guy Maor
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As far as I can see we only have disadvantages supporting > hamm-powerpc. (no regular uploads, extra handling of security > fixes to non-supported versions, frozen of _really unstable_ > binary set etc.) I would make dinstall just throw all uploads fo

Re: First successfull hamm install

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 09:39:00PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > I have tried 3 times now to get the hamm boot disks to work and today was > the first time. Just installed it onto a removable scsi disk in my 486, > seems to have gone well. > > A few comments, > > - Why isn't the 'archive pat

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like > windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation). How is the work on COAS going on? -- Enrique Zanardi

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Martin Schulze
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 02:23:12AM -0700, Guy Maor wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As far as I can see we only have disadvantages supporting > > hamm-powerpc. (no regular uploads, extra handling of security > > fixes to non-supported versions, frozen of _really unstable_

non-maintainer ssh package available

1998-04-28 Thread Herbert Xu
Hi: I've just made ssh 1.22.2-4.1 which fixes a serious use-after-free bug that is responsible for most of ssh's recent bug reports. Please check it out at http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ssh/ If necessary I'll upload this. Thanks. -- Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 is out! ( http://

Re: RFC: dpkg and handling of the Unconfigured state

1998-04-28 Thread Yann Dirson
Jason Gunthorpe writes: > Well, I have not observed that dpkg is capable of placing guarentees on > the dependency state during the *rm scripts. Alot of packages make use of > their dependents during their removal which leads the the problem that you > can no longer upgrade without configuring

Re: License advice

1998-04-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: >However, it is not as obvious as you want to make us believe. Things that >are not explicitely allowed are forbidden. Things that are not spelled out, >are not there at all. There is only little room for interpretation of legal >texts. I think this is a matter of l

Re: rescue1440.bin

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 27 Apr 1998, Julien Ortega wrote: > It may be a very simple question, how can i make the rescue1440.bin file > from my floppy disk (because on this disk i have put the kernel 2.0.33) dd if=/dev/fd0 of=rescue1440.bin bs=18k or whatever variation takes your fancy. I guess 'cp /dev/fd0 rescu

Re: why not mingetty??

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 27 Apr 1998, Jeff Sheinberg wrote: > > If my idea of a useful default is different from yours, then let > us each have her way with a configurable file. Don't cripple > either of us by hardcoding the "better" default into the .deb > file. That was my point, now I think about it; thanks fo

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Paul Slootman
[crossposted to debian-alpha] On Tue 28 Apr 1998, Guy Maor wrote: [I had to read the original message via the archive, as the mailhost here was screwed up yet again and discarded all messages arriving this weekend :-( ] About Alpha: There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however,

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. This was reported as a bug, and it is fixed on 0.14.1-4, is it not?!? (I

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package thanks!!! > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > register-window-manager [pathname] > [...] >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
register-window-manager [pathname] with no arguments, enters interactive mode with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below) Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
Paul Slootman wrote: > There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however, I can't > really say that the number of packages that need to be ported to Alpha > has been decreasing since the freeze; every time 20 packages are > uploaded for Alpha, there are 22 new packages for i386 :-( I

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, I'm still undecided as to whether 2.0 should go out for Alpha. > Anyone else have opinions? I think we should leave it out of 2.0, with the caveat that we should nevertheless start referring to it as a full-fledged port---and once we get further

Re: Only m68k and i386 in hamm?

1998-04-28 Thread Hartmut Koptein
> > There's been a lot of porting going on for Alpha, however, I can't > really say that the number of packages that need to be ported to Alpha > has been decreasing since the freeze; every time 20 packages are > uploaded for Alpha, there are 22 new packages for i386 :-( Thats the reason for

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread aqy6633
> - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. Oh, no! Please don't remove them. They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local machines and download some configuration files from

Re: Boot Disks

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > The sensitivity to good disks is, as I understand it, caused by poor > > BIOS floppy drivers and is independent of the Linux kernel, let alone > > which distribution you are running. > > Actually, as I

How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
Today, I reported two bugs in debian packages which install binaries suid root. Both bugs were avoidable: - Bug #21799 is dealing with /usr/X11R6/bin/xload's permissions - Debian installs this program suid root, while it doesn't need this privilege level. It became a security breach by the

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Yann Dirson
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking it as a conffile, would

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread jdassen
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > Further, the policy should require maintainers to tag bug reports about > programs running suid root "critical". >From http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer.html#severities :critical : makes unrelated software on the system (o

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Igor Grobman
> On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 06:18:13PM +1000, Aaron Howell wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:11:45AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > > Then we have two options: > > > > > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > > - Create a netstd-base package with those tools. > >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should modify it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > Today, I reported two bugs in debian packages which > install binaries suid root. Both bugs were avoidable: There's a third one too---we install xterm suid root, which isn't necessary (the alternative is to use a wrapper program t

CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread A Mennucc
Hi Are we aware of (concerned by) ftp://ftp.cert.org/pub/cert_bulletins/VB-98.04.xterm.Xaw ? it says that > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > and The Open Group X Project Team release

Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-28 Thread Ian Jackson
This discussion is ridiculous. In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it here. Furthermore, language is defined by use, not by prescription (try

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raul Miller) wrote on 27.04.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Santiago Vila) wrote on 26.04.98 in > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I would really like to see something like '\h:\w\$ ' (or '\w\$ ' at > > > least) in

What's an easy installation?

1998-04-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
Just seen on net.general: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bryan C. Andregg) wrote on 27.04.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 27 Apr 1998 07:52:37 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, YoYo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >wrote: I would suppose that RedHat is doing well because of the e

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:57:55PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > > and The Open Group X Project Team releases. These vulnerabilities may > > be exploited by

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But in my opinion it is a bad solution if every "translation related" > data should be stored in different directories. I think a directory > structure should be as logical as possible. Im not familiar with > FHS and havn't enough time to learn about it

Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.7) (comments)

1998-04-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Braakman writes ("Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.7) (comments)"): ... > All three looked the same to me; I hope they were :-) Yes; I should make this clearer next time. > I had trouble understanding the second paragraph of section 1: > >This document describes the organisati

Re: Directory for dictionary databases

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: > I don't think a mono-lingual dictionary is "translation related" > data. Hmmm, that's a nice topic for discussion. For me as a German native speaker ar monolingual dictionaries like wordnet sometimes a more helpful tool than a bi-lingual dictionary.

small problem

1998-04-28 Thread Leszek Gerwatowski
I want to create my own package with some tools for teTeX and I've some problems with it: 1. I put some files into /usr/doc/package-name and in postinst script i copy them to diferent places as needed. Now when i try to run: root:~# dpkg -S file-name /usr/doc/package-name/file-name I want to add

Re: non-maintainer ssh package available

1998-04-28 Thread Philip Hands
> Hi: > I've just made ssh 1.22.2-4.1 which fixes a serious use-after-free bug > that is responsible for most of ssh's recent bug reports. Please check it out > at Excelent, I'll do that. > http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ssh/ > > If necessary I'll upload this. Thanks. I shoul

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Eric Delaunay
Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local > machines and do

overwriting directories

1998-04-28 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I thought dpkg only complained about overwriting when at least one of the two is a file. It this is so, then dpkg doesn't handle the case when one of them doesn't exist (I did "rm -r /usr/lib/netscape" to remove loads of netscape junk). [1]wyvern:/zip/linux/debs$ sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i n

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:52:07AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >register-window-manager [pathname] > with no arguments, enters interactive mode > with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action > and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:19:36AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >Branden Robinson writes: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/regi

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:04 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> As an aside, I am beggining to think that we need a better license, >> >> from a legal perspective, because with all the issues of shared >> >> libraries, "essential parts", and who knows what else, if someon

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:04 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But you did need a special license to compile for Motif. > >Good point. which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very, but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the b

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Shaya Potter
At 13:09 27/04/98 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >Richard Braakman wrote: >> >The GPL specifically forbids the OS vendor from making use of the >> >shipped-with-the-OS clause. (This closes a large loophole). >> >So if Motif is considered a standard part of the Red Hat OS, then >> >everyone *except* Red

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:23:34PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should > modify it? It's considered Bad Practice for a package to go about muckin

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:12:22PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:57:55PM +0200, A Mennucc wrote: > > > > Vulnerabilities exist in the terminal emulator xterm(1), and the Xaw > > > library distributed in various MIT X Consortium; X Consortium, Inc.; > > > and The Open Group

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > First, the Debian Policy should be enhanced by a paragraph > on suid binaries. The policy should emphasize the least > privilege principle. It should require the use of > suidmanager when installing scripts suid root. > > Further

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Martin Schulze
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:50:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:50:45PM +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote: > > First, the Debian Policy should be enhanced by a paragraph > > on suid binaries. The policy should emphasize the least > > privilege principle. It should requir

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 07:59:49PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs > confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or > not. Yes, it does. -- G. Branden Robinson | The first thing the communists do when Purdue U

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:45:33PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, the reason xterm is setuid is because it needs privileged access to > the utmp file. However, this is presently a problem under some > circumstances (see bug #20685). I understand it also needs it to allocate a pty. > XFr

Re: Licensing, was elvis package

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > which is my point on, the fact that it's a little hypocritical (not very, > but a little), for the FSF to make emacs compilable out of the box for > Motif. They would never do that for Qt, which would be "free" to compile > with, but Motif, which would cos

Re: How Debian Linux could be made more secure

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:02:11PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > I thought lintian already detects setuid binaries and needs > > confirmation by the author that it needs to be setuser or > > not. > Yes, it does. Fine. But apparently this confirmation is given a little bit - mh - quickly. ;

Re: CERT* VB-98.04: Vulnerabilities in xterm and Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Thomas Roessler
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:45:33PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, the reason xterm is setuid is because it needs > privileged access to the utmp file. However, this is > presently a problem under some circumstances (see bug > #20685). It's not the only reason: XTerm needs to be suid root

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Tue 28 Apr 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:59:49AM +0200, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > > btw: in my opinion debian needs a general resource database (something like > > windows nt registry, but with a better, unixlike implementation). > > How is the work on COAS going

Re: base-files etc.

1998-04-28 Thread Raul Miller
Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's already a .bash_profile (and a .bashrc) > > in /etc/skel/. > And I strongly believe there shouldn't be any. Well, frankly, nothing is "necessary" in /etc/skel/. The two bash scripts are fairly content free, and .alias and .cshrc provided by tc

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:36:34AM -0400, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you

Re: first proposal for a new maintainer policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I don't see how this conflicts with the proposed >> constitution. Please give me more info on that. Guy> The constitution places no limitations on the developer's Guy> authority with regard t

Re: Conflicts between developers and policy

1998-04-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Guy" == Guy Maor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Guy> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Manoj> Hmm. I think I like the idea of the policy documents being the law, Manoj> and the technical committee like the justices, who lay down Manoj> interpretations (which are referred to latter

FWD: CERT Vendor-Initiated Bulletin VB-98.04 - xterm.Xaw

1998-04-28 Thread Joey Hess
We all have packages affected by this bug report. Let's coordinate and try to dig up patches to fix it. - Forwarded message from Aleph One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 25621 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1998 01:02

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:36:03PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > I don't think shippin

Re: netstd tools in the base system (was Re: What to do with /bin/perl symlink?)

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 28, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > - Remove usr/bin/ftp and usr/bin/telnet from the base system. > > Oh, no! > Please don't remove them. > They are very convenient and necessary tools when you are installing on some > local network and to setup proper routing you need to chek other local > mach

Re: PROPOSAL: Services, inetd and xinetd

1998-04-28 Thread Peter Tobias
On Apr 28, Inaky Perez Gonzalez wrote: > I'm a rather new and very happy Debian user, and some time ago > while testing hamm/unstable I came trough a problem I thought deserved > some time. > > I like better xinetd than inetd, so I installed. Despite of it > trying hard to xlate in

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