> the "we-know-better-than-you" attitude is what redhat and caldera (and
> microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always done
> better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to do it for
> themself by not trying to hide the fact that knowledge and experience is
> requir
[I searched the archives, but didn't find a previous discussion
about this; if I missed it, please just point me in the right
direction. Thanks.]
I've been using both XEmacs(20) and Emacs(20), and while investigating
some of their differences in behavior I stumbled upon
http://www.xemacs.org/Ab
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:54:32AM +, David Coe wrote:
> Is that still an accurate description of the legal status (from
> FSF's perspective) of XEmacs, and if so, shouldn't we move it to
> non-free?
Huh? RMS is just complaining that they chose not to assign copyright to
the FSF. It's still G
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:54:32AM +, David Coe wrote:
>
> Is that still an accurate description of the legal status (from
> FSF's perspective) of XEmacs, and if so, shouldn't we move it to
> non-free?
The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
copyright to the
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 08:50:00PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> > the "we-know-better-than-you" attitude is what redhat and caldera
> > (and microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always
> > done better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to
> > do it for themself by
> debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
> importantly, it lets you DIY.
Err.. what Unix DOESN'T let you DIY?
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:54:32AM +, David Coe was heard to say:
[quoting RMS]
> But in another sense it is not GNU software, because we can't use
> XEmacs in the GNU system: using it would mean paying a price in
> terms of our ability to enforce the GPL. Some of the people who have
>
David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 04:32:08PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > Thomas Schoepf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 12:18:01PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote:
> > > > I'm packaging tkpgp, from munitions.vipul.net archive. The
>
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 09:26:39PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> > debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
> > importantly, it lets you DIY.
>
> Err.. what Unix DOESN'T let you DIY?
read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
get in the way of DIY
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 09:57:53PM +1000, Drake Diedrich wrote:
>One way to minimize the harm of unintentionally installed or
> misconfigured daemons would be to add a default ipchain/ipfwadm policy
> rejecting all TCP SYN (incoming initialization) and non-DNS UDP packets
> except those from lo
> read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
> get in the way of DIY. RH is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
> examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
No. You're talking about doing something your way and then having
it wrecked by the RH/whatever
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 08:25:00PM +0100, Marco Budde wrote:
> ROTFL, why should I change dhelp to support a broken file format?
...
> dhelp supports all formats.
...
These statements contradict each other.
--
Raul
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 06:01:00PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> But who said mtools need to depend on floppyd package?
$ dpkg -L mtools | grep floppyd
/usr/bin/floppyd
/usr/bin/floppyd_installtest
/usr/share/man/man1/floppyd.1.gz
--
Raul
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:08:39PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> Pseudonymes have been used throughout the history, so that's not
> a problem. For our protection, however, I'd recommend that you and
> tftp work out a agreement so that at least one Debian developer (you,
> for example) alw
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> the "we-know-better-than-you" attitude is what redhat and caldera (and
> microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always done
> better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to do it for
> themself by not tr
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 11:45:13PM -0500, Francois Gurin wrote:
> And why can't there be an option to determine this? You avoided that
> point.
no i didn't. i answered it in another message.
to paraphrase: i am against messing with the current default. i am not
against (indeed, i am in favour
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:38:34PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> > read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
> > get in the way of DIY. RH is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
> > examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
>
> No. You're talking about
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 02:16:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders was heard to say:
> > And if the package has a dependency?
> > There are many situations dealing with the package system that can
> > lead to daemons installing without your knowledge. mtools for potato
> > includes floppyd, if someone upgra
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:56:53PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> PGP is legally classified in the same category as atomic weapons.
No, it's not. Atomic weapons are controlled by international treaties,
and AFAIK it would be a serious offence for me - or any other Finn -
to have some in my possessio
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Siggy Brentrup's letter:
> > There should be one for the main distribution. Assume I want to go
> > into the CD business providing support for packages in the main
> > dist. No major problem
Michael Alan Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> the aleph-* packages have Priority: optionnal, which is, well, wrong.
Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall instead of hoosing
apt/deselect/etc... Dpkg is happy with it however...
Phil.
Am 28.09.99 schrieb martin # internet-treff.uni-koeln.de ...
Moin Martin!
MB> Marco> localhost/doc/ should point to /usr/share/doc. Please submit a
MB> Marco> bug report for your http daemon.
MB> The decision was made by the ctte, it is not yet implemented in the
MB> policy document, but it will
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
> copyright to the FSF by signing a paper.
Wrong.
Take a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/
At least shtool and WindowMaker are copyrighted by their authors.
Denis
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 12:01:16PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 05:30:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually, it should be critical if it's a root exploit. Grave only
> > > includes
> > > those that only comprise the user's account.
> >
> > Last I checked, root
Marco Budde wrote:
> (a) symlinks don#t work with the http protocol
You know, I've read the http protocol, and I don't recal any mention of such
unix-centric concepts of symlinks, especially not any prohibition of them.
If you're going to keep insisting the http protocol doesn't support
symlinks
There are two things:
- copyright (who owns it?)
- licence (what can I do with it?)
Debian is only concerned with the second point.
On Thursday 30 September 1999, at 0 h 54, the keyboard of David Coe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But in another sense it is not GNU software, because we can't
Ciao *,
apparently I can't access db.debian.org: I use my password
on master and the server gives me "authentication failed". (Note that
I can login in master with that same password.) Is something broken?
(my brain for example?)
Ciao,
Federico
--
Federico Di Gregorio [http://www.bolina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
>
> > The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
> > copyright to the FSF by signing a paper.
>
> Wrong.
indeed. Even in the FSF's Emacs 20.4 there are parts which are:
Copyright (C) 199
Hi,
Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong Priority:
line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
aborts with:
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
The Priority: line is Priority: optionnal
Marco Budde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, then Debian 2.2 will be broken.
No. There are not many packages which quickly switched to
/usr/share/doc without the symlinks. The maintainers of these
packages quickly changed, so they are alive and the should be able to
add the symlink to their next
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> sorry, it's you who needs to wake up to the real world.
>
> if people don't know how to administer a unix machine then they need
> to learn fast.
Not true. Maintaining a unix-like machine for desktop or personal use
requires a diff
Marek Habersack writes:
> Hi,
>
> Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong Priority:
> line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
> aborts with:
>
> E: Malformed Priority line
> E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVers
Matthew Vernon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong
> Priority:
> > line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
> > aborts with:
> File a critical bug, if no-one has yet done so.
There has been file
I got a chance to see a demo of Corel's linux at the
Miami Comdex yesterday. They have done a very good
job of putting this together and from the looks of
this Bill has good reason to fear loosing the desktop!
They didn't demo their installer, but were bragging
that it would install Linux in unde
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 02:16:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> to paraphrase: i am against messing with the current default. i am not
> against (indeed, i am in favour of) increasing choice.
There is currently no default -- it varies on a per-package basis.
> ... there are already way too man
Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
> Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall
I tend to agree. I wonder how that can be done using the tools
themselves, so we don't end up with implementa
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> > E: Malformed Priority line
> > E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
> > The Priority: line is Priority: optionnal
> > instead of Priority: optional
>
> File a critical bug, if no-one has yet done so.
Against what? aleph? Oka
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:46:38AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:56:53PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > PGP is legally classified in the same category as atomic weapons.
>
> No, it's not. Atomic weapons are controlled by international treaties,
> and AFAIK it wo
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 10:10:54AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> It is very ancient rms' opinion: the FSF asks you to yield the copyright to
> them, because they fear the GPL is not a sufficient warranty, before a court.
No, they just know that only the copyright owner can sue for copyrigh
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf was heard to say:
> They said that the beta of their linux distro will be
> available for public download by the end of October.
Hm. Do you have any information about the following issues:
-> How big is it? The only spare partition I
Why wait for a third party to make disks, Corel will be making disks for
the next beta and the final version. For more information, see
http://linux.corel.com
Original Message
Subject: corel linux demo
Resent-Date: 30 Sep 1999 12:28:33 -
Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debia
Since it seems a lot of people have trouble with SGML, since there is
very few documentation about a language which is supposed to ease the
job of documenting, since FAQ are... frequent on this topic, I just wrote the
Debian SGML/XML HOWTO.
The emphasis is on practical information: how to typ
> There is currently no default -- it varies on a per-package basis.
I note that
### to run vtund as a server on port 5000, uncomment the following line:
#--server-- 5000
isn't uncommented by default.
On 30 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
> Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
>
> I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
>
> > Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall
>
> I tend to agree. I wonder how that can be done us
--- Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth
> Scharf was heard to say:
> > They said that the beta of their linux distro will
> be
> > available for public download by the end of
> October.
>
> Hm. Do you have any information about the
>
> > There is currently no default -- it varies on a per-package basis.
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:21:29AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> I note that
>
> ### to run vtund as a server on port 5000, uncomment the following line:
> #--server-- 5000
>
> isn't uncommented by default.
Sure, but in the co
Hi,
I wrote version 5 of the draft of the document on i18n.
It is available at
http://surfchem0.riken.go.jp/~kubota/linuxwork/i18ndoc.html.
Now I rewrote it in SGML (DebianDoc). I will not change
format any more.
Contributions are welcome. Without contributions, this
document would be a documen
> Or are you saying something else?
I was merely pointing out the irony of one of Craig's packages
not enabling the daemon by default.
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:50:40AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> Treaties are different from laws.
On the contrary, ratified treaties are a binding part of the Finnish
legislation, as if they were ordinary laws passed by the parliament.
(IIRC)
This may be different in the common law (sp?) system us
On 30-Sep-99, 07:50 (CDT), Hirling Endre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Matthew Vernon wrote:
>
> > > E: Malformed Priority line
> > > E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
> > > The Priority: line is Priority: optionnal
> > > instead of Priority: option
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> apparently I can't access db.debian.org: I use my password
> on master and the server gives me "authentication failed". (Note that
> I can login in master with that same password.) Is something broken?
> (my brain for example?)
You probabl
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 07:23:53PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:50:40AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Treaties are different from laws.
>
> On the contrary, ratified treaties are a binding part of the Finnish
> legislation, as if they were ordinary laws passed
Hi,
I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to objc if
no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also, libgc4 (boehm
gc) support is dropped. A new additional package will be introduced with
libgc5 support.
Cheers,
Marcel
Please send a
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:05:43PM +0200, Marcel Harkema wrote:
> I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to objc if
> no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also, libgc4 (boehm
> gc) support is dropped. A new additional package will be introduced with
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 30 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
>
> > Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
> >
> > I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
> >
> > > Maybe it should be trapped by dinsta
Raul Miller wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:05:43PM +0200, Marcel Harkema wrote:
> > I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to
> > objc if no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also,
> > libgc4 (boehm gc) support is dropped. A new additional pa
Hi,
OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
etc.). Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
time to look into i
> "Vincent" == Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Vincent> short summary: lilo v22 works only with 2.0 kernels; it
Vincent> won't boot a 2.2.x or a 2.3.y. a v21 version has been
Vincent> reuploaded to master this morning.
Hmmm, sure?
$ dpkg -l lilo
ii lilo
> > Wordperfect is the only app they have ported as a
> > Native linux binary, and after version 8, they
> > probably won't be doing a linux native binary version.
> > So WP version 9 will be a win32 binary under Wine.
>
> Are you sure? Wine is not only a binary-compatibility system; it also a
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 04:11:08PM -0400, Bill White wrote:
> I hope this is not a foolish question. I have looked at the
> FAQ and the Debian web page, but I haven't found the answer.
I, too, was faced with this not too long ago. It's not a difficult
fix but it's not obvious.
> What's the best
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:54:32PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
> $ dpkg -l lilo
> ii lilo22dev0-1 LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can
> loa
> $ uname -a
> Linux pooh 2.2.12 #1 Mon Sep 27 14:53:51 PDT 1999 i686 unknown
> $ uptime
> 10:53pm up 1:33, 2 users, load avera
I'm currently working on a tool that automatically fetches all bug reports
belonging to one package.
The base url is http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/ and I always thought that the
subdirectories were designed so that only up to 999 files go into a single
directory.
But today, I noticed that this a
> "Thomas" == Thomas Schoepf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Thomas> Did you /run/ lilo, too? Or just installed it?
Yep, the postinst automatically reruns lilo assuming you take the
default answers to all the questions it asks.
--
Stephen
---
"If 8-year-old boys discharging loaded firearms
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> I hope some shovelware cd makers will burn their beta
> onto cdr and sell it for those of us without T1 lines.
I wonder if Corel will allow this... and I wonder why I should use a system
which is not open source...
Greetings
Bernd
Marcel Harkema writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to objc if
> no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also, libgc4 (boehm
> gc) support is dropped. A new additional package will be introduced with
> libgc5 support.
We
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