the we-know-better-than-you attitude is what redhat and caldera (and
microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always done
better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to do it for
themself by not trying to hide the fact that knowledge and experience is
required
[I searched the archives, but didn't find a previous discussion
about this; if I missed it, please just point me in the right
direction. Thanks.]
I've been using both XEmacs(20) and Emacs(20), and while investigating
some of their differences in behavior I stumbled upon
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:54:32AM +, David Coe wrote:
Is that still an accurate description of the legal status (from
FSF's perspective) of XEmacs, and if so, shouldn't we move it to
non-free?
The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
copyright to the FSF
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 08:50:00PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
the we-know-better-than-you attitude is what redhat and caldera
(and microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always
done better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to
do it for themself by not
debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
importantly, it lets you DIY.
Err.. what Unix DOESN'T let you DIY?
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:54:32AM +, David Coe was heard to say:
[quoting RMS]
But in another sense it is not GNU software, because we can't use
XEmacs in the GNU system: using it would mean paying a price in
terms of our ability to enforce the GPL. Some of the people who have
David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 04:32:08PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
Thomas Schoepf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 12:18:01PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote:
I'm packaging tkpgp, from munitions.vipul.net archive. The
upstream
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 09:26:39PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
debian's attitude is: if you want something different, DIY. and more
importantly, it lets you DIY.
Err.. what Unix DOESN'T let you DIY?
read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
get in the way of DIY. RH
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 09:57:53PM +1000, Drake Diedrich wrote:
One way to minimize the harm of unintentionally installed or
misconfigured daemons would be to add a default ipchain/ipfwadm policy
rejecting all TCP SYN (incoming initialization) and non-DNS UDP packets
except those from
read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
get in the way of DIY. RH is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
No. You're talking about doing something your way and then having
it wrecked by the RH/whatever
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 08:25:00PM +0100, Marco Budde wrote:
ROTFL, why should I change dhelp to support a broken file format?
...
dhelp supports all formats.
...
These statements contradict each other.
--
Raul
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 06:01:00PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
But who said mtools need to depend on floppyd package?
$ dpkg -L mtools | grep floppyd
/usr/bin/floppyd
/usr/bin/floppyd_installtest
/usr/share/man/man1/floppyd.1.gz
--
Raul
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:08:39PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
Pseudonymes have been used throughout the history, so that's not
a problem. For our protection, however, I'd recommend that you and
tftp work out a agreement so that at least one Debian developer (you,
for example) always
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
the we-know-better-than-you attitude is what redhat and caldera (and
microsoft, for that matter) does. it sucks. debian has always done
better than that - our way is to encourage people to learn to do it for
themself by not trying
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 11:45:13PM -0500, Francois Gurin wrote:
And why can't there be an option to determine this? You avoided that
point.
no i didn't. i answered it in another message.
to paraphrase: i am against messing with the current default. i am not
against (indeed, i am in favour
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:38:34PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
read the rest of my message. the bit that ranted about unix's that
get in the way of DIY. RH is one. sun's Netra is another...both are
examples of how NOT to do configuration management on unix.
No. You're talking about doing
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 02:16:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders was heard to say:
And if the package has a dependency?
There are many situations dealing with the package system that can
lead to daemons installing without your knowledge. mtools for potato
includes floppyd, if someone upgrades a
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Siggy Brentrup's letter:
There should be one for the main distribution. Assume I want to go
into the CD business providing support for packages in the main
dist. No major problem with
Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the aleph-* packages have Priority: optionnal, which is, well, wrong.
Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall instead of hoosing
apt/deselect/etc... Dpkg is happy with it however...
Phil.
Am 28.09.99 schrieb martin # internet-treff.uni-koeln.de ...
Moin Martin!
MB Marco localhost/doc/ should point to /usr/share/doc. Please submit a
MB Marco bug report for your http daemon.
MB The decision was made by the ctte, it is not yet implemented in the
MB policy document, but it will be
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
copyright to the FSF by signing a paper.
Wrong.
Take a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/
At least shtool and WindowMaker are copyrighted by their authors.
Denis
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 12:01:16PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 05:30:51PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
Actually, it should be critical if it's a root exploit. Grave only
includes
those that only comprise the user's account.
Last I checked, root is a user. This
Marco Budde wrote:
(a) symlinks don#t work with the http protocol
You know, I've read the http protocol, and I don't recal any mention of such
unix-centric concepts of symlinks, especially not any prohibition of them.
If you're going to keep insisting the http protocol doesn't support
There are two things:
- copyright (who owns it?)
- licence (what can I do with it?)
Debian is only concerned with the second point.
On Thursday 30 September 1999, at 0 h 54, the keyboard of David Coe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But in another sense it is not GNU software, because we can't
Ciao *,
apparently I can't access db.debian.org: I use my password
on master and the server gives me authentication failed. (Note that
I can login in master with that same password.) Is something broken?
(my brain for example?)
Ciao,
Federico
--
Federico Di Gregorio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
The FSF does only include code in GNU programs if the author assigns the
copyright to the FSF by signing a paper.
Wrong.
indeed. Even in the FSF's Emacs 20.4 there are parts which are:
Copyright (C) 1995, 1997
Hi,
Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong Priority:
line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
aborts with:
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
The Priority: line is Priority:
Marco Budde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, then Debian 2.2 will be broken.
No. There are not many packages which quickly switched to
/usr/share/doc without the symlinks. The maintainers of these
packages quickly changed, so they are alive and the should be able to
add the symlink to their next
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
sorry, it's you who needs to wake up to the real world.
if people don't know how to administer a unix machine then they need
to learn fast.
Not true. Maintaining a unix-like machine for desktop or personal use
requires a
Marek Habersack writes:
Hi,
Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong Priority:
line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
aborts with:
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
Matthew Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Latest potato update contains a package, aleph-dev, with a wrong
Priority:
line which prevents (until manually fixed) the apt update operation, which
aborts with:
File a critical bug, if no-one has yet done so.
There has been filed enough
I got a chance to see a demo of Corel's linux at the
Miami Comdex yesterday. They have done a very good
job of putting this together and from the looks of
this Bill has good reason to fear loosing the desktop!
They didn't demo their installer, but were bragging
that it would install Linux in
Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall
I tend to agree. I wonder how that can be done using the tools
themselves, so we don't end up with
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Matthew Vernon wrote:
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
The Priority: line is Priority: optionnal
instead of Priority: optional
File a critical bug, if no-one has yet done so.
Against what? aleph? Okay, one
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:46:38AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:56:53PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
PGP is legally classified in the same category as atomic weapons.
No, it's not. Atomic weapons are controlled by international treaties,
and AFAIK it would
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 10:10:54AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
It is very ancient rms' opinion: the FSF asks you to yield the copyright to
them, because they fear the GPL is not a sufficient warranty, before a court.
No, they just know that only the copyright owner can sue for copyright
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth Scharf was heard to say:
They said that the beta of their linux distro will be
available for public download by the end of October.
Hm. Do you have any information about the following issues:
- How big is it? The only spare partition I
Why wait for a third party to make disks, Corel will be making disks for
the next beta and the final version. For more information, see
http://linux.corel.com
Original Message
Subject: corel linux demo
Resent-Date: 30 Sep 1999 12:28:33 -
Resent-From:
Since it seems a lot of people have trouble with SGML, since there is irony
very few documentation/irony about a language which is supposed to ease the
job of documenting, since FAQ are... frequent on this topic, I just wrote the
Debian SGML/XML HOWTO.
The emphasis is on practical
There is currently no default -- it varies on a per-package basis.
I note that
### to run vtund as a server on port 5000, uncomment the following line:
#--server-- 5000
isn't uncommented by default.
On 30 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall
I tend to agree. I wonder how that can be done using the
--- Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth
Scharf was heard to say:
They said that the beta of their linux distro will
be
available for public download by the end of
October.
Hm. Do you have any information about the
following
There is currently no default -- it varies on a per-package basis.
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:21:29AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
I note that
### to run vtund as a server on port 5000, uncomment the following line:
#--server-- 5000
isn't uncommented by default.
Sure, but in the context
Hi,
I wrote version 5 of the draft of the document on i18n.
It is available at
http://surfchem0.riken.go.jp/~kubota/linuxwork/i18ndoc.html.
Now I rewrote it in SGML (DebianDoc). I will not change
format any more.
Contributions are welcome. Without contributions, this
document would be a
Or are you saying something else?
I was merely pointing out the irony of one of Craig's packages
not enabling the daemon by default.
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:50:40AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
Treaties are different from laws.
On the contrary, ratified treaties are a binding part of the Finnish
legislation, as if they were ordinary laws passed by the parliament.
(IIRC)
This may be different in the common law (sp?) system
On 30-Sep-99, 07:50 (CDT), Hirling Endre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Matthew Vernon wrote:
E: Malformed Priority line
E: Error occured while processing aleph-dev (NewVersion1)
The Priority: line is Priority: optionnal
instead of Priority: optional
File a
On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
apparently I can't access db.debian.org: I use my password
on master and the server gives me authentication failed. (Note that
I can login in master with that same password.) Is something broken?
(my brain for example?)
You probably
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 07:23:53PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:50:40AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
Treaties are different from laws.
On the contrary, ratified treaties are a binding part of the Finnish
legislation, as if they were ordinary laws passed by
Hi,
I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to objc if
no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also, libgc4 (boehm
gc) support is dropped. A new additional package will be introduced with
libgc5 support.
Cheers,
Marcel
Please send a
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:05:43PM +0200, Marcel Harkema wrote:
I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to objc if
no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also, libgc4 (boehm
gc) support is dropped. A new additional package will be introduced with
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 30 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
Philippe Troin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yeah, just uploaded some new packages which fix the typo.
I just hand-edited my available file. :-)
Maybe it should be trapped by dinstall
I tend to
Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 09:05:43PM +0200, Marcel Harkema wrote:
I am going to rename the poc (portable object compiler) package to
objc if no-one objects. The upstream author requested this. Also,
libgc4 (boehm gc) support is dropped. A new additional package
Hi,
OpenBSD have started working on the last free SSH (1.2.12 was under a
DFSG free license AFAICT[1]), they also, (again AFAICT [I'm going by
the CVS commits]), are ripping out the patented algrothims (IDEA,
etc.). Unfortunately, I'm chronically busy with work and haven't had
time to look into
Vincent == Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Vincent short summary: lilo v22 works only with 2.0 kernels; it
Vincent won't boot a 2.2.x or a 2.3.y. a v21 version has been
Vincent reuploaded to master this morning.
Hmmm, sure?
$ dpkg -l lilo
ii lilo22dev0-1
Wordperfect is the only app they have ported as a
Native linux binary, and after version 8, they
probably won't be doing a linux native binary version.
So WP version 9 will be a win32 binary under Wine.
Are you sure? Wine is not only a binary-compatibility system; it also aims
for
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 04:11:08PM -0400, Bill White wrote:
I hope this is not a foolish question. I have looked at the
FAQ and the Debian web page, but I haven't found the answer.
I, too, was faced with this not too long ago. It's not a difficult
fix but it's not obvious.
What's the best
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 10:54:32PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
$ dpkg -l lilo
ii lilo22dev0-1 LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can
loa
$ uname -a
Linux pooh 2.2.12 #1 Mon Sep 27 14:53:51 PDT 1999 i686 unknown
$ uptime
10:53pm up 1:33, 2 users, load average:
I'm currently working on a tool that automatically fetches all bug reports
belonging to one package.
The base url is http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/ and I always thought that the
subdirectories were designed so that only up to 999 files go into a single
directory.
But today, I noticed that this
Thomas == Thomas Schoepf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thomas Did you /run/ lilo, too? Or just installed it?
Yep, the postinst automatically reruns lilo assuming you take the
default answers to all the questions it asks.
--
Stephen
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