Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield said: >On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do >> which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider. ^^ >> >> Generally it's QA stuff. I'm doing it an

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not >suitable for Debian. (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can" >or "because it's there", or some other variation; it is a goal in >itself, and not a means to an end) OK, now *that*

Re: please cc summary to maintainer when reassigning bugs

2003-08-07 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Please, as a courtesy, when you reassign a bug report to another > > package, cc it to the package maintainer, and put enough information in > > so they can know why their package is at fault. Also check the severi

Zeroconf Debian?

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Pollock
I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of Zeroconf[1]. Is anyone working on getting Debian to do any of this sort of stuff? If not, I might look into spinning off a subproject. I don't think it

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Eric Schwartz
On Thursday, Aug 7, 2003, at 02:51 America/Denver, Peter Mathiasson wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:34:28PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Here it isn't. That is because that correspondence is done on company time using company equipment supposedly for company purposes. They have the right to

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? > > > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch > > > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josef Spillner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That being said, the cyclic mentioning of non-openness problems on d-d does > not invalidate the fact that those who invest time into a project are > steering it, independent of whether they're a "member" or not (true also for > KDE and certainly oth

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere? > > This is not the case for at least the AM<->NM mails. Also, advocating > someone is basically just a vir

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Lamb wrote: > > Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute. > > For meaningful values of "contribute", sure. But being a project member > with a d.o account is not essential to contributing, and its arguable > how significant a "

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 21:49, Chris Cheney got eaten by the Troll: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you > > give commit access to just about anybody too. > > > > Scott > > (GNOME user) > > O

Bug#204538: ITP: bsgloss -- Glossaries and dictionaries of a graphical environment

2003-08-07 Thread Rodrigo Tadeu Claro
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-07 Severity: wishlist * Package name: bsgloss Version : 0.6 Upstream Author : E. A. Tacão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://br.tldp.org/ferramentas/vp/bsgloss/bsgloss-0.6.tar.gz/ * License : (GPL) Descrip

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > rpm -Uvh estracts in /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES The best idea probably is to use rpm2cpio => extract to the current directory. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | htt

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 12:55:14AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:25:58PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > > Trivialities such as people refusing to disclose their real names > > > jump to mind. > > >

[Incident 030807-000095] Meeting notice

2003-08-07 Thread dlink
Suggested Answer --- Dear Correspondent: Recently you requested personal assistance via our web site. Below is a summary of your request and our response. Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you. Title: Military Public Affairs

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:14, Otto Wyss wrote: > I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this > version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version Which drivers and what errors do you get? If you tell us the errors then we can get them fixed. -- http:

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:52:04PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=&include=patch > > > > See the form at

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:25:58PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > Trivialities such as people refusing to disclose their real names > > jump to mind. > > This strikes me as one of the *best* reasons to deny someone. If > som

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:08:38 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anybody who has to ask "Why should I/we/they contribute?" is not > suitable for Debian. Oddly enough, I've never asked that. > (The "answer", incidentally, is "because we can" > or "because it's there", or some oth

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
Nathanael Nerode wrote: >Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do >which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider. In this sort of case, the answer is not necessarily to make the NM process faster - it's to make it easier for outsiders to contribute to the rest of Debi

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:57:32PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > Wrong. There have been specific technical things I wanted to do > > which simply cannot be done easily as an outsider. > > > > Generally it's QA stuff. I'm doi

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:57:10PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:41 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I *do not* want people to contribute *because* they "like the > > project". > > What other reason would their be? Why would they want to contribute

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:56:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > >I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific > >(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing > >to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstra

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas

2003-08-07 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:25:27PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > >glibc is even worse. It has multiple maintainers, and they still don't > >have enough time to chase down all the important bugs, let alone > >insignificant ones like this. > > This is unfortunately true;

Re: /usr/bin/pager

2003-08-07 Thread Andreas Rottmann
Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is /usr/bin/pager a Debianism, or is it common to other > distributions and/or unices? > Don't really know, but it's alternatives-managed, so likely to be a Debianism. Andy -- Andreas Rottmann | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |

Re: please cc summary to maintainer when reassigning bugs

2003-08-07 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Joey Hess wrote: > Please, as a courtesy, when you reassign a bug report to another > package, cc it to the package maintainer, and put enough information in > so they can know why their package is at fault. Also check the severity > to make sure it makes sense for the new pack

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:25:41 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I *do not* want people to contribute *because* they "like the > project". What other reason would their be? Why would they want to contribute to a project they don't like esp. when there is no financial gain for it

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Alan Shutko
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like > Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute. No. I think Andrew meant that liking Debian or wanting to contribute is a bad reason to join Debian. He wants people to contribut

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield wrote: >glibc is even worse. It has multiple maintainers, and they still don't >have enough time to chase down all the important bugs, let alone >insignificant ones like this. This is unfortunately true; glibc seems to be severely broken on a routine basis upstream. Kinda makes m

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 02:26:57PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your > > > statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute. > > >

Re: please cc summary to maintainer when reassigning bugs

2003-08-07 Thread Joey Hess
Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:15:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > reassign 204169 debhelper > > Bug#204169: docbook-utils: Build from source on reiserfs gives dangling > > symlinks > > Warning: Unknown package 'debhemper' > > Bug reassigned from package `debhemper' to `debhelpe

Re: please cc summary to maintainer when reassigning bugs

2003-08-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:15:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > reassign 204169 debhelper > Bug#204169: docbook-utils: Build from source on reiserfs gives dangling > symlinks > Warning: Unknown package 'debhemper' > Bug reassigned from package `debhemper' to `debhelper'. Actually that particular o

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:25:58PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > > the person who's in charge of the keyring has to be as paranoid as > > > James. The other person in the project that comes to mind is > > > Manoj. And that's it. I wouldn't trust Martin with such a > > > responsab

please cc summary to maintainer when reassigning bugs

2003-08-07 Thread Joey Hess
It's very annoying to pull my mail and get several bug reports that were reassigned to debhelper (one of them falsely grave), with no explanation cced to me. Not only is something like this very easy to skip over, but it forces me to wait until the next time I am online (in this case, two days) to

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:25:58PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > Trivialities such as people > refusing to disclose their real names jump to mind. This strikes me as one of the *best* reasons to deny someone. If someone is unwilling even to trust Debian with their real name, then why shou

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
> Uh, no. You have 3 possible pools. > > 1: Someone likes Debian. > 2: Someone dislikes Debian. > 3: Someone hasn't formed an opinion of Debian or doesn't care about Debian. > > Do you want contributions from 2 or 3? IE, someone who dislikes it or > someone who is uninformed or ambivale

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:07:11PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > According to the Debian Constitution, he only has mastery over the > keyring because he's a "Delegate" appointed by the DPL. Yeah, like that's ever mattered. I can't actually remember someone saying "for this period of time

/usr/bin/pager

2003-08-07 Thread Bob Hilliard
Is /usr/bin/pager a Debianism, or is it common to other distributions and/or unices? Regards, Bob -- _ |_) _ |_Robert D. Hilliard<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Palm City, FL 34990 USA GPG Key ID: 390D655

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:49:28 -0500 Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you > > give commit access to just about anybody too. > > Scott > > (GNOME user)

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:29:03 -0700 Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew said that merely liking Debian wasn't a good enough reason to > want to join the project. No, he said it wasn't a good reason. No "enough". Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "TBH, that's a lousy reason to join

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Josef Spillner
On Thursday 07 August 2003 09:51, Yven Johannes Leist wrote: > I think not even that is exactly true either, since the skills required to > get a cvs account for KDE are surely somewhat above our NM checks[1]. You > usually need to have a whole application written by yourself to get an > account, a

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andreas Barth said: >Yes, I can see the problem. However, it would have helped me much if >this policy would have been clearly stated at >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ (should I open a bug, >or can it be fixed without?). The rate of things getting fixed without having bugs reporte

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Halil Demirezen
> Incidentally, the entire NM system seems geared toward package > maintainers only, if you read the web pages. (That was not > particularly encouraging.) It seems in that way. However, AM asks you what to do in Debian. When you choose a specific section, You are not supposed to know that issue

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Marcelo Magallon said: > You mean you actually think James can even consider the possibility of > handing the management of the keyring over? Well, he should. He'll have to someday, such as when he dies. (Unless he is actually immortal, or more likely if Debian is utterly destroyed first.) A

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:23:20 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course that isn't true, I was just showing the farce of your > > statement. Obviously you want people who like the project to contribute. > You have failed miserably at understanding my statement. I do not want >

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:54:43PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 10:41:37PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > the person who's in charge of the keyring has to be as paranoid as > > James. The other person in the project that comes to mind is > > Manoj. And that's

Re: About NM and next release

2003-08-07 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andrew Suffield wrote: >I'm not sure there are any good ones other than having some specific >(technical, not political) things you want to see done and are willing >to do. In that case, you won't have to be told to demonstrate stuff - >you'll just do it, because you want to. Wrong. There have bee

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:02:20PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Also aren't mails between AM, DAM, Advocate and NM archived somewhere? This is not the case for at least the AM<->NM mails. Also, advocating someone is basically just a virtual tick in a box. -- "You grabbed my hand and we

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Andrew Suffield wrote: >>Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you >>want to contribute? > TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a cheque or something. Yeah, but Debian isn't *that* awesome before I decide to join (and am accepted). ;) Cheers T. P.S.: SCNR

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Chris Cheney
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:10:01PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > I've always thought KDE a wonderful example of what happens when you > give commit access to just about anybody too. > > Scott > (GNOME user) Oh you mean the fact that KDE has rapid development... Yep. ;) Chris

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:56:24PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > > > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Craig Dickson
Steve Lamb wrote: > No. But you said that the opposite is the wrong reason. If we like > Debian it is a bad reason to want to contribute. So the it is only > logical to presume that if you feel liking is a bad reason disliking > might very well be a good one. This is "logical"? In what univer

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 12:36:45PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > (IMO, the kernel ignoring $(CC) is the kernel's problem.) > > Don't you know your O doesn't matter, only Steve's? I'm pretty accustomed to my O mattering only to me. :) -- G. Brande

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Streph Treadway
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:03:01PM -0400, Streph Treadway wrote: > > For me, only HOSTCC=gcc-2.95 works for the 2.4.21 kernel. > Sorry about that, I'm recompiling the kernel now, and what I said above seems true of the dep and clean targets, but not bzImage. For bzImage, CC=gcc-2.95 works fine on

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Streph Treadway
Hi, all, On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:10:00PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:14:27PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > > I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this > > version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version > > should I use

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:50:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > > access to packages with patch

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 20:23:48 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > >

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:06:39PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you > > > want to

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 08:14:27PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this > version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version > should I use? And how do I set this version (Environment variable?) > without deinstalling

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:23:17 +0100 Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > > Because you think it's an awesome group with laudable goals and you > > want to contribute? > TBH, that's a lousy reason to join Debian. Send a chequ

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been >

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. > > Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? > >

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system > > Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nicolas Bertolissio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit : > [...] > > Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome, > > feedback on your application? > No, > > > I'm not asking whether you would clamor > > for updates, but whether receiving th

GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-07 Thread Otto Wyss
I just upgraded to the current Sarge and also got GCC 3.3. It seems this version can't compile all the drivers in kernel 2.4.21. Which version should I use? And how do I set this version (Environment variable?) without deinstalling GCC 3.3? O. Wyss -- See "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/"; for

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:15:35AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package > > ? > > You can easily extract the .tar.gz using alien. > rpm -Uvh estracts in /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES -- Francesco P. Lovergine

Bug#204494: ITP: jot -- print out increasing, decreasing, random, or redundant

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-08-07 Severity: wishlist * Package name: jot Version : 9.0 Upstream Author : John Kunze, Office of Comp. Affairs, UCB * URL : http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/system/rhlinux/athena-9.0/free/SRPMS/athena-jot-9.0-3.src.rpm *

debian-nm statistics

2003-08-07 Thread Robert Jordens
Hi all! Just a little contribution to those wunderful threads like "NM non-process" and "NM and Next Release". I just played around with db.debian.org and nm.debian.org to produce some fancy graphs... I won't be here for the next 72 hours, so I won't comment much. But you can flame on! http://c

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-07 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Joe Wreschnig may or may not have written... > On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:48, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >>> You asked for gcc-2.95. You got gcc-2.95. Whatever else you got should be >>> of no consequence whatsoever. >> It's this kind of attit

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 07, Cédric Delfosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >So, I wonder if someone has already built a package from a SRPM package >? prelink -- ciao, | Marco | [1175 vol.vXH2n4yMA] pgpEXBULObHxj.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#203903: ITP: mcp-plugins -- LADSPA plugins designed for Alsa Modular Synth

2003-08-07 Thread Glorioso
> "kq" == Keegan Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: kq> [1 ] kq> On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:02:35PM +0200, Andrea Glorioso wrote: >> Description : LADSPA plugins designed for Alsa Modular Synth >> >> Set of LADSPA plugins that vastly improve the sound of >> AlsaModularS

Re: [custom] Some issues for custom debian distributions

2003-08-07 Thread Andrea Glorioso
> "nvy" == Nikita V Youshchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: nvy> The thing I really don't like in debian-cd is the requirement nvy> to have a local mirror. I prefer to use apt-get (+apt-proxy) nvy> to fetch packages while building CD. I have a (currently nvy> ugly) script to do

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-07 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joey Hess] > Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr, which > would have a side effect of making sure it's on CD#1 if it's not > already. Probably also demoting the lpr package to optional and moving > cups from there to standard. Possibly making lsb depend on part of cups

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:27:00AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:31:23PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > It runs deeper than that. If you aren't sufficiently interested to do > > the work for its own sake, why the hell are you trying to join Debian > > in the first p

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Jamin W. Collins écrit : [...] > Are you saying that you do not want, and would not welcome, > feedback on your application? No, > I'm not asking whether you would clamor > for updates, but whether receiving them would be a problem for you? No, but I don't need any, I just h

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Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 19:39, Oliver Bausinger wrote: > On Wednesday 06 August 2003 20:01, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:10:24PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > > Interessting analysis. Many things that hold up the release can only be > > > solved by active and expe

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Adam Majer
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 02:38:34PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > Anyway, waiting for DAM for some months now. I guess it has been > > 4-5 months now. I asked him on IRC when he might

toolchain-source

2003-08-07 Thread Tom Badran
This hasnt been updated to gcc-3.3 yet, has it been obsoleted perhaps, or am i just being impatient ;) Thanks Tom -- ^__^ Tom Badran (oo)\__Imperial College (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || Using Debian SID pgpgtGkeEoBLD.pgp Descriptio

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Good grief, how easy do we have to make it? http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch http://bugs.debian.

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:00:53PM +0200, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote: > Le jeudi 7 ao?t 2003, Goswin von Brederlow ?crit : > > WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to > > activate > > YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more, > I am waiting for DAM approva

Re: Please NMU dovecot

2003-08-07 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Riku Voipio wrote: > Sounds really odd. Maybe the previous gcc binaries you had where > corrupted during your previous hardaware problems. I once got some > really funky errors after running fsck on /usr with buggy ram. > I thought of that but fsck and badblocks both reported

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Nicolas Bertolissio
Le jeudi 7 août 2003, Goswin von Brederlow écrit : > WE NMs WANT FEEDBACK. Someone please tell the DAM already to activate YOU, not 'we', YOU are impatient, YOU are cannot wait any more, I am waiting for DAM approval, so I just wait... Nicolas Bertolissio --

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:56:08PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > Heh :) If I hadn't responded to it manually, it would have gotten ignored > > as spam (nobody cared enough to write a nice formail -r message because it > > happens rarely enough and the spambounces would waste us more resources). >

Re: Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 05:42:36PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Maybe an interface/filter for the bts that gives one a more easy > access to packages with patches pending would be a start. Or a system Try http://bugs.debian.org/tag:patch . -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, li

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > > button on the webpage he can just press to

Getting patches into packages, thought and ideas [Was: Re: About NM and Next Release]

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Moin Goswin! > Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003: > > > > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > > > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. > > > > > > I must have severe reading and

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Cédric Delfosse dijo [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:04:45AM +0200]: > Hello > > at work, I have played a little bit with a Redhat 9. There are lots of > nice system setup tools that could be useful for Debian users. These > tools are GPL. > The problems are: > - no source tar.gz / tar.bz2 distribution

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Francesco Paolo Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development > > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel... > > > IMO it's general

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:25:03PM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > > button on the webpage he ca

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:58:22AM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: > When you have maintain a package, shouldn't you be able to fix > it yourself? > > IMHO, people should not package or take over a package that they > do not understand how it works. For example, a kernel maintainer I think you're dreami

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 12:33:08PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > What we need is a database with simple mailing list function (similar to > PTS) where willing sponsors for a certain package can subscribe and > sponsorees with much motivation can send diffs for the next version > upgrade. Easy to

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-07 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030806 21:40]: > Erm, configuring an SMTP server for a mail client is not an admin level > thing. I mean, c'mon, fetchmail can be run as the user and the same user can > configure a pop server there. *shrug* I wonder when people will start telling configurin

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:50:03AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then he should spend the 10 minutes it takes to implement a "reject" > button on the webpage he can just press to reject someone. > After that rejecting would be a matter of seco

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Halil Demirezen
> On [06/08/03 17:29], Halil Demirezen wrote: > > What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims > > that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are > > Why do you you think that "over the world" Debian is "being obsolete"? > Do you have some evidence

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 04:09:15PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:16:12PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Here is where you're entirely and totally wrong. It indicates a > > breakdown in the communication process. > > Communication with whom? I don't think that

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-07 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:04:16 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:51:26AM +0200, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:53 +0100 > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > While I'm at it, a quick and possibly irrelevant bit of stats-pr0n I

Re: python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-07 Thread Domenico Andreoli
i agree, we have a great support for Python. thanks to those who make it possible. cavok On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:47:48AM +1000, Donovan Baarda wrote: ... > > Personally I was going to post "nice job everyone... the Python Policy > looks like it is working". There are still a few niggly thing

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
Moin Goswin! Goswin von Brederlow schrieb am Thursday, den 07. August 2003: > > > Working on boot-floppies and debian-installer is not realy fruitfull > > > as non-DD. cvs access goes a long way there. > > > > I must have severe reading and parsing problems today, because I don't > > understand w

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-07 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > Someone should point NMs to difficulty of entering the development > > mainstream of FreeBSD or becoming maintainer for the kernel... > > IMO it's generally too easy entering in Debian. > > You can get access to the gc

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