Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Cameron Patrick wrote: I don't think it is. Python doesn't have a switch/case equivalent. It'd have to be done with a bunch of if's or something. Well, depends. Do you consider its dictionary to be a switch? >>> def foo(): ... print "foolio" ... >>> def bar(): ... print "bario" ... >

Build-depends for Rekall?

This seems on topic for the list's stated purpose: "Discussion about technical development topics." I'm trying to build rekall from rekallrevealed.org. It seems like it's going to have lots of build dependencies. If anyone has ever built it on debian, or can provide a probable list of build-

Trouble Compiling Simple Glade.

Hi, I'm using debian unstable packages at the moment, and am trying to compile my first... simple glade program. Using glade, I simply created a window and then ran "write source code". When I go to the projects directory and run ./autogen.sh I get the following output, and can't get a make file

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:56:24PM +0100, J?r?me Marant wrote: > > The RC bug list REMOVE tags mean "remove from testing (not unstable)". > > If a bug's filed against ftp.d.o, there's no "trying" -- it'll be removed, > > and any packages that depend on it will be left broken. > BTW, in any case, If

Re: Bug#220347: ITP: xlibs-freedesktop -- X libraries (client-side) from freedesktop

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:04, Daniel Stone wrote: > * Package name: xlibs-freedesktop > Description : X libraries (client-side) from freedesktop How about symmetry with xserver-freedesktop: "freedesktop.org X libraries (client side)" > The freedesktop.org X client-side libraries (origina

Re: Bug#220345: ITP: xserver-freedesktop -- freedesktop.org X server (nee KDrive)

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:01, Daniel Stone wrote: > * Package name: xserver-freedesktop > Description : freedesktop.org X server (nee KDrive) Remove the parenthetical - it should be included only in the long description. > The freedesktop.org X server is a faster, more featureful alterna

Re: Bug#220301: ITP: entropy -- Emerging Network To Reduce Orwellian Potency Yield

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:59, Michael Beattie wrote: > * Package name: entropy > Description : Emerging Network To Reduce Orwellian Potency Yield This doesn't really tell me anything about ENTROPY. How about "anti-censorship network client"? > ENTROPY is developed as a response to incre

Re: Bug#220287: ITP: libtree-dagnode-perl -- Tree::DAG_Node - (super)class for representing nodes in a tree

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:11, Jay Bonci wrote: > * Package name: libtree-dagnode-perl > Description : Tree::DAG_Node - (super)class for representing nodes in a > tree s/Tree::DAG_Node - // and you're golden, I think. > Tree::DAG_Node is a (super)class for representing nodes in a tree. >

Re: Bug#220274: ITP: libarray-compare-perl -- Array::Compare - easily compare arrays

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 15:39, Jay Bonci wrote: > * Package name: libarray-compare-perl > Description : Array::Compare - easily compare arrays This should be a decapitalised noun phrase. "perl module for easy comparison of arrays" or something like that. > Array::Compare can easily compa

Re: Bug#220257: ITP: phpldapadmin -- Web-based tool for managing all aspects of your LDAP server

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 14:11, David Segonds wrote: > * Package name: phpldapadmin > Description : Web-based tool for managing all aspects of your LDAP > server Decapitalise "Web." I don't like "all aspects" (that's for the long description) or "your" in the short description. How about

Re: Bug#220219: ITP: vbtp -- VisioBraille's Transfer Protocol

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 10:03, Sébastien Hinderer wrote: > * Package name: vbtp > Description : VisioBraille's Transfer Protocol The short description should make sense read in the form "$PACKAGE is a[n] $SHORTDESC." My suggestion would be "file transfer program for VisioBraille terminals"

Re: Bug#220216: ITP: zope-lockablefolder -- variant of the standard Folder that can restrict access to its contents

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 09:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * Package name: zope-lockablefolder > Description : variant of the standard Folder that can restrict access > to its contents How about "plugin for zope which creates restricted-access folders"? > This product provides a variant o

Re: Bug#220212: ITP: zope-zstylesheet -- Simple product designed to allow easy style sheets

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 09:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * Package name: zope-zstylesheet > Description : Simple product designed to allow easy style sheets First, decapitalise "Simple." Second, what does it mean if I say "zope-zstylesheet is a simple product designed to allow easy style

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

* Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-16 15:40]: > > Yes, a fairly powerful machine has recently been donated to Debian and > > we're currently working out where to host it. > > Where is it located? In the States; not really worth shipping to Germany. However, I'll see whether we can

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

* Anthony Towns [2003-11-17 12:48]: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:26:51PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > Since you're posting that as the DPL you're asking for the following > > reply. Sorry :) [...] I'm well aware that redundancy has several benefits. Specifically about the hardware donations man

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:19:32AM +, Darren Salt wrote: | I find myself wondering if Duff's Device is implementable in Python... I don't think it is. Python doesn't have a switch/case equivalent. It'd have to be done with a bunch of if's or something. Cameron.

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

I demand that Steve Lamb may or may not have written... [snip] > I hope this concludes the topic for those who haven't touched Python > badmouthing the whitespace issue since, thus far, I've yet to see a single > example which isn't possible in pretty much the exact same visual style. I find myse

Re: debian-installer beta 1

Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 18 Nov 2003 12:27:55 +0100 > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Busybox or busybox-cvs? > > The patch was against the head of busybox's cvs a couple of months ago, > which equates aproximately to busybox-cvs-1.0-pre3. > > > If t

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:54:00PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 07:29:29PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > There are some good suggestions in your proposal, e.g. you suggest to > > check whether the build dependencies are fulfilled. The lack of checking > > for build dependen

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Re: debian-installer beta 1

On 18 Nov 2003 12:27:55 +0100 Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Busybox or busybox-cvs? The patch was against the head of busybox's cvs a couple of months ago, which equates aproximately to busybox-cvs-1.0-pre3. > If the busybox-cvs maintainer isn't responsive contact upstream.

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

Scripsit Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But that last point raises another issue: does anyone really use > testing ? Would anyone use pre-testing after all ? I think very many people use stable plus bits and pieces from testing. I have two machines set up that way. Getting the bits and pieces

Question about shlibs.local, bug in dpkg-cross?

Hi, I have a short question about the debian/shlibs.local syntax. I understand that the first field gives the lobrary name, the second the so version and the third the package to depend on. In the sources of apt the third field is omitted for some entries (the shlibs.local* files are created dynam

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > >> Not quite. Ingo is volunteering to provide a MIPS buildd, but since he's > >> not a Debian Developer, he can't handle its logs. Thus, he's asked me, > > Its intresting to note that Debian trusts several NMs and normal users

Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) writes: > Without, that is, installing every package in Debian. > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be removed > yet. Presumably something depends on it. But I can't figure out what. "apt-get -u install emacs20-" will tell you

Re: debian-installer beta 1

Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:38:53 + > Paul Hedderly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The inclusion of mdadm would at least enable people to go into a shell > > and setup their MD devices. Then all you'd need to do is make sure > > some basic MD options a

Re: longer Debian confession

Hi Martin, > A company has asked me whether they [sc]hould write a longer > confession about their use of Debian, why they chose it, and how > their impressions are. I asked them to submit a short text to > www.d.o/users, but they would prefer to write an official statement, > two pages or so. I'

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 07:29:29PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > There are some good suggestions in your proposal, e.g. you suggest to > check whether the build dependencies are fulfilled. The lack of checking > for build dependencies in the current testing scripts often leads to > packages in tes

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:07:35PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Torvalds' position is that code that cannot be expressed using > 8-spaces-per-indent and wrap at 79 characters needs to be rewritten. Who is Thorvalds? SCNR Balu /* vim: set expandtab tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 softtabstop=4

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

> > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-k6/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-k6/alsa/snd-vx-cs.o > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > /lib/modules/2.4.22-1-k6/alsa/snd-vxp440.o > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > >

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:14:29PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > [1] As I make it, the following packages in testing depend on a specific > version of mozilla in such a way as to cause problems when upgrading > mozilla. If you can back up your "about two dozen" with an expanded > list

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 14:17, Otto Wyss wrote: > > Otto Wyss dijo: > > > dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 > > > > > > but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, > > > purge the package and install it again. But now the list isn't shown > > > either. How do I g

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

H. S. Teoh wrote: Not for any non-trivial task, although I did try to learn it some time ago. Recently, I had the chance to take another look at it; however, I found Ruby, which seemed to have the best of both Perl and Python plus true object-orientation. So when I move on from Perl (which I love,

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:32:36AM -0800, Tom wrote: > Serious #1: > > *It looks like multi-line method invocations require parenthesis to be > indented at the paren level. Sometimes that's useful, but often I > like to pack arguments tighter than that and indent only once on > subsequent lines:

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python > >programmers, of course. :-P :-P > > Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the > uninformed. Since in most cases the e

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Tom wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: *It looks like multi-line method invocations require parenthesis to be indented at the paren level. Sometimes that's useful, but often I like to pack arguments tighter than that and indent only once on subsequent lines:

Re: Howto reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6

> Otto Wyss dijo: > > dpkg-reconfigure alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 > > > > but this doesn't show the driver list again! Okay getting dselect out, > > purge the package and install it again. But now the list isn't shown > > either. How do I get the driver list from this package? > > > dpkg-reco

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031118 19:55]: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:06:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Why did debian-installer miss the dates in the latest release timeline > > by so many months? > Because those dates were made up out of thin air? Then the obvious question is:

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:04:48AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > H. S. Teoh wrote: > >Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python > >programmers, of course. :-P :-P > > Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the > uninformed. Since in most cases the e

Re: Bug#221492: ITP: smile -- [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences

Steffen Moeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * URL : http://www.example.org/ > * License : none *cough* > Description : [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in > sequences This should be an uncapitalized noun phrase: perhaps something like "tool to infer

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:14:29PM +, Colin Watson wrote: >... > [1] As I make it, the following packages in testing depend on a specific > version of mozilla in such a way as to cause problems when upgrading > mozilla. If you can back up your "about two dozen" with an expanded > li

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

H. S. Teoh wrote: Yeah, 'whitespace' about sums up the value of it. Except to Python programmers, of course. :-P :-P Quite the contrary. First off generally flames are from the uninformed. Since in most cases the evils of whitespace are spouted off by those who have never once touched Pytho

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:47:44PM +0100, Yann Dirson wrote: > Joey wrote: > >Packages in unstable have dependencies in unstable which may not be > >met in testing, hence they cannot simply be included in testing. > >Unfortunately we need to take care of this. > > I've come up at least once with a

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

I demand that Steve Lamb may or may not have written... [snip] > if foo > bar > else > baz fi -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | woody, sarge, | youmustbejoking | Northumberland | RISC OS | demon co uk | Toon Army | Let's keep the pound sterling

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:06:08PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > This might work on pure servers, but how do you manage to run XFree86 > 4.1.0 on brand-new graphics cards (e.g. integrated graphics of brand-new > Intel systems) in non-Vesa resolutions? I don't, because I don't buy motherboards with

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Isaac To wrote: E.g., it is more difficult to cut some code in one function and paste it into another. So for best results one really have to use an editor (and perhaps other tools) that knows about such significant whitespaces. Not really if one is wanting to maintain proper indention in both

Bug#221492: ITP: smile -- [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name: smile Version : 1.46 Upstream Author : Laurent Marsan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : none Description : [Biology] Find statistically significant patterns in sequences SMI

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:15:41PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > * mozilla - almost there but hasn't built on m68k and mipsel, > > apparently due to various dependency problems. Could benefit from > > being retried. > > Besi

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 04:41:34PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I swore that I wasn't going to get into the latest style war, but ... > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:38AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > > Personally I prefer 8-spa

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:26:37PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:04:54PM +0100, Florent Rougon wrote: > > If you are not able to use a programmer's editor, I fail to see how you > > can even try to argue about the usefulness of Python's whitespace > > handling. > > Yay!

Bug#221489: general: mouse not working properly after yesterday testing upgrade

Package: general Severity: normal After yesterday (Nov 17 2003) upgrade of my box, running a testing/unstable debian, my mouse A4Tech 3d MiniMouse, model MSW-5, doesn't work properly: - in gnome, the left button pops up contestual menus - in console mode, gpm has problems: making a selection does

Re: SANE compiling with patch for HP 4470c

Thomas Luft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, [sane-backends failing to build, SANE maintainer hat on.] > make[2]: *** [v4l.lo] Fehler 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/cpblu01/src/sane-backends-1.0.12/backend' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/cpblu01/

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:14:26AM -0800, Eric Wong wrote: >> I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los >> Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to >> get my GPG key signed and get myself going along the

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:28:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:49AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > I'm not saying this would be immoral or something like that, but e.g. a > > > major release without

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 06:04:54PM +0100, Florent Rougon wrote: > If you are not able to use a programmer's editor, I fail to see how you > can even try to argue about the usefulness of Python's whitespace > handling. Yay! A whitespace flamewar! -- Glenn Maynard

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:28:41PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > So instead, we have a system where people take individual (or small > > > group) responsibility for a particular piece of software, to take care > > > of it and fix its bugs. This way, we distribute the effort over a large > > >

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:32:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > > Again, read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Difficult isn't > > > the same

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've never had to combine 'patch' and Python programs have you? After > receiving a few created by people with different indent bigotries you > quickly realise why significant whitespace is a fundamentally bad idea. > > I've had to go and ask som

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

"H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, you meant autoindenting as you type... I thought you were referring to > indenting tools. As long as it's unintrusive, I'm OK with that. > Unintrusive as in, not anywhere near the atrociousness of MS Word, for > example. Um, wasn't this thread about p

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Quoting Anthony Towns : > The RC bug list REMOVE tags mean "remove from testing (not unstable)". > > If a bug's filed against ftp.d.o, there's no "trying" -- it'll be removed, > and any packages that depend on it will be left broken. BTW, in any case, If we want to stop supporting emacs20, do w

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

Julian Mehnle wrote: I call that readable, but I guess somebody won't. ;-) Actually it is quite readable and sensible in that it breaks down the regex into parts that a human can read. Oh, and the equivolant would be legal in Python. Which was kind of my point on asking H.S. the two questio

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

I swore that I wasn't going to get into the latest style war, but ... On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:55:38AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > > Personally I prefer 8-space indentation, though. > > I find that it is too restrictive, given th

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 05:08:40PM +0100, Thomas -Balu- Walter wrote: > > For now I have to fiddle around, creating bootdisks with newer kernels, Maybe I've just been very lucky, but I've yet to need to create a custom boot disk to install any of my various systems. I wouldn't consider most of t

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:54:17AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >Perhaps the maintainer hasn't requested its removal? I don't see a bug > >report open against ftp.debian.org. > I seem to remember him requesting it. Further, you'll see on the RC bugs > list that it's li

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

> "Scott" == Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Scott> You've never had to combine 'patch' and Python programs have you? Scott> After receiving a few created by people with different indent Scott> bigotries you quickly realise why significant whitespace is a Scott>

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

Eric Wong wrote: > Hello, > > I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los > Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to get > my GPG key signed and get myself going along the New Maintainer process. > We will have a booth there. There should be plent

Re: keysigning at SCALE 2X?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:14:26AM -0800, Eric Wong wrote: > I'll be attending SCALE 2X in Los > Angeles and I'm wondering if I could meet some Debian developers to get > my GPG key signed and get myself going along the New Maintainer process. Southern California D

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:13:46AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:00:18AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > VIM can do autoindenting for some languages too. Works OK with Perl, > > > and C, and badly with Tcl (but doesn't everything?). > > [snip] > > > > Generally, I am skep

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:35:19PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > - Debian 3.0 doesn't support much of the hardware curently available - > > the old 2.4.18 kernel on the boot floppies doesn't even boot on many > > new computers (

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:00:18AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > VIM can do autoindenting for some languages too. Works OK with Perl, > > and C, and badly with Tcl (but doesn't everything?). > [snip] > > Generally, I am skeptical of autoindenting tools. I usually do it by hand. > (I don't buy the w

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:19:24AM +0100, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > Unfortunately Adrian didn't wrote why he thinks backports aren't > usable for production systems. The only real problem with backports I > see is that there are no guaranted security updates. > > This could be a reason for someo

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:34:14PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:57:46PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote: > > Hear, hear. Yes, 8-space indentation is a matter of pressing the Tab > > key, but it's a bit too big.. I've always stuck with two spaces. > > So set your tabstop (and

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:45:52AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > | Nevertheless, I find 8-space indentation too wasteful, 4-space > | indentation too cumbersome to type, and 1-space indentation > | unreadable. > > Your editor shoul

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:43:08PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I think you're missing the point: package name changes due to soname > changes often cause delays to testing, and therefore it's *beneficial* > that there's potentially an easy way to hold them out of unstable at the > moment. right,

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 01:46, Isaac To wrote: > > "Tom" == Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Tom> Significant whitespace? Shudder, that brings back crusty old > Tom> memories of Fortran. I have great fondness for fortran because of > Tom> the wonderful mathematical algorithms

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Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think you are placing too much emphasis on the ITP and the WNPP > system. I think it has a useful place in avoiding (some) duplicate work, > searching for new owners for packagers etc, but don't expect ev

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces (was Re: Programming first steps.)

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:02:40PM -0800, Tom wrote: > If whitespace mistakes are always caught at compile-time, then I > probably wouldn't care about them either. So I'm not bashing python; > having never used it: I'm bashing languages where syntatic mistakes > are not caught at compile-time. I

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > ... which will happen in a couple of days. However, evolution currently > depends on three "trouble spots" in addition to the guts of GNOME 2.4: > * krb4 - has a complicated dependency graph involving heimdal and > postgresql,

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:13:58PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:46, Colin Watson wrote: > > Do these issues mean that migrating testing from 7.3.4-9 to 7.4-1 is > > going to be a headache for testing, or that packages built against 7.4-1 > > will depend on >= 7.4-1 due to

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > > will not move them to unstable until versi

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:46, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > > will not move them to unstable unti

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of PostgreSQL 7.4

* Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:19, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > plr needs to build in the source tree, so the easiest way to do that is > > > to include it in the source. The same goes (or did go) for the others. > > > > I don't think this is really the case.

Re: Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:14:45PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > Debian packages of 7.4 have been uploaded to Debian's experimental > archive. Because of certain issues with interlocking dependencies, I > will not move them to unstable until version 7.3.4-9 is accepted into > the testing distribu

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:14:42PM +0100, Robert Lemmen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:16PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Given that each soname change requires a package name change, and every > > package name change requires a manual override by an ftpmaster, yes, > > it's theoreticall

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

* Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: > On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Oliver Elphick writes: > > > > > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > > > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > > > will take

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of PostgreSQL 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:19, Stephen Frost wrote: > > plr needs to build in the source tree, so the easiest way to do that is > > to include it in the source. The same goes (or did go) for the others. > > I don't think this is really the case. I was working on repackaging > PostgreSQL for Debian

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Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

Oliver Elphick writes: > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > will take those on. Then why are plr, odbc, pgeasy and pgperl still in there? Those have been removed a longer time ago, or

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:51:16PM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: > Given that each soname change requires a package name change, and every > package name change requires a manual override by an ftpmaster, yes, > it's theoretically possible to "automate" the process of not approving > new package upl

Re: [GENERAL] Debian packages of 7.4

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 12:59, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Oliver Elphick writes: > > > Please note that the python packages have been dropped from this build, > > since the PyGreSQL source tree is now independent. Another maintainer > > will take those on. > > Then why are plr, odbc, pgeasy and pgp

Re: Programming first steps.

Just like to thank everybody for their opinions. I think that I've probably got enough to think about for now. Aside from the recommendations for languages and editors, the idea of learning multiple languages to gain more comprehensive expression for programming concepts, and also learning an initi

Re: RFA: A lot of packages

* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-17 17:43]: > Who should I bother with this in order to unlock Daniel Gubser NM > application? He's on my TODO list. I'm currently rather busy since I'm trying to finish my uni degree, but I'll hopefully get to it soon. In the meantime, it would be

Re: Integrate Knoppix in Debian (was: Re: Debian Enterprise?)

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Sebastian Ley wrote: > The idea to integrate Knoppix stuff back to Debian also occured to me. I > am glad to hear that Klaus likes the idea too. Have you put any further > thought into the question how to accomplish that? The only thing I did besides talking about it was creat

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Is there enough concensus to start a list - anyone with the resource > access and experience to create a webpage for the subproject? > > I will join the list as soon as it's available. apt-get install subproject-howto > Bruce Perens mentioned

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone please tell me how to make Home and End to work as they > did in emacs20, both in console and X? (global-set-key [home] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [?\e ?\[ ?1 ?~] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [end]

Re: Debian Enterprise?

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Is it possible to create task or meta packages that depend on specific > versions - eg. a bunch of versions as at a specific "snapshot" date of > "testing"?? No - except if there are different verisons of one package in Debian (see recent plans to pack

Re: emacs20 obsolete? (Re: How to find all reverse depends of a package?)

Quoting Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > Quoting Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 06:33:52PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > > > > > I'm curious, for instance, as to why emacs20 hasn't managed to be > re

Re: Programming first steps.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:31PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: > Modal editors are Pure Evil(tm). > > ;-) But modeless editors are toys ;-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Tabs v.s. spaces

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 07:57:46PM -0800, Joshua Kwan wrote: > Hear, hear. Yes, 8-space indentation is a matter of pressing the Tab > key, but it's a bit too big.. I've always stuck with two spaces. So set your tabstop (and shiftwidth) in vi to 4, and you'll have four character indents. Or 2. And

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