Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-23 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 22 March 2007 13:55, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Hmmm, if we do that, we could probably start handing out accounts for this web-based bug submission system, so that people who report more than one bug only need to answer once to such a mail. Hmmm, that sounds like we're

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 16 March 2007 00:49, Steve Langasek wrote: A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to ensure that you can contact bug submitters for more information. HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be able to tie the web submission back to

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-22 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 16 March 2007 00:49, Steve Langasek wrote: A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to ensure that you can contact bug submitters for more information. HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 23:38 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: I still would like to have a search mechanism on the bug titles list. Okay, after searching through the list of bugs open against reportbug, I found that this feature has been already requested twice: #358472 and #358760. Of

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-18 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 00:57]: The text interface of reportbug has the filter/search feature already: (1-15/15) Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|m|r|q|s|f|?]? ? snip f - Filter bug list using a pattern. ? - Display this help. Very handy for wnpp :) Thanks for

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:21:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to summarize you want tags which have the ability to be mutually exclusive? That could be a part of the solution. What I believe is necessary is a workflow for the bug, pretty much like the one with bugzilla,

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Considering team work and stuff like this, an assigned status would be good too, with possibility, like forwarded, to specify an email address of the person dealing with the bug. That would make it clear, in teams, if bugs are dealt

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Just try Bugzilla. Really. It has some major issues, but it is also considerably more advanced than debbugs in several domains. Yes, I have used buzilla

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:42:26PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 16 mars 2007 à 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Just try Bugzilla. Really. It has some major issues, but it is also considerably more

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 02:21:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to summarize you want tags which have the ability to be mutually exclusive? That could be a part of the solution. File the wishlist bug, please. an assigned

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-17 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Rafael Laboissiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-16 14:44]: * Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-16 20:11]: Try reportbug -u urwid. There is also -u newt, but it doesn't seem to work and has a big warning. Thanks. I did not know that this existed. I still would like to have a search

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? IMHO the biggest problem of reportbug is that it is not

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread sean finney
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? yes, actually. wrt web based interfaces: sure,

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Bastian Venthur
Andreas Tille schrieb: IMHO the biggest problem of reportbug is that it is not announced in the end of the install process. I have seen so many (even skilled) Debian users who were not aware that there is something like reportbug. IMHO this definitely has to be advertised at at least one of

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:10 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something bugzilla has and reportbug doesn't: you can crawl on the website, find an interesting bug,

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing http://bugs.debian.org/src:pkgname ? A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? E.g. something like this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=nautilus

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:14:40PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: It was me that mentioned about the web submission in platform. I would Sorry for not mentioning you, I frankly forgot to, but even Sam mentioned that :) Thanks for your interest! I also prefer if the student can integrate this

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:06:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? Frankly no (even though the l10n example

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Jan Michael C. Alonzo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Michael C. Alonzo) writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A large fraction of bug reports are bad or incomplete, so you need to ensure that you can contact bug submitters for more information. HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007, Bastian Venthur wrote: I know this is gonna be flamed down, but I'm feelin' brave today so let's try it anyway: 4) put an reportbug-ng icon on the desktop by default on every fresh installation I know this smells like the classic AOL-Button on every

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: This feature has to be implemented as an add on module to debbugs or entirely separately. It can use the Debbugs:: modules if it must, but it really should pull any information it requires using the soap interface so it doesn't

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2007-03-16 13:03]: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but it is an obstacle,

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread, browsing wnpp bug report titles in reportbug is a real pain. A curses

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Thomas Weber
Am Freitag, den 16.03.2007, 20:11 +0900 schrieb Paul Wise: On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread, browsing wnpp

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-16 20:11]: On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: Instead of a GUI or a web interface, what I would love to have is a curses-capable version of reportbug. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread, browsing wnpp bug report

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Ganesan Rajagopal
Thomas == Thomas Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:52 +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: Try reportbug -u urwid. There is also -u newt, but it doesn't seem to work and has a big warning. Any chance of including this information in reportbug's manpage? The --help

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:19:42AM +0100, sean finney wrote: and wrt the suggestion of just use webmail posted later on: this would also count as a web based interface, and imo would be the worst kind since you have no automatic information gathering, no input checking, and it's rather

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:10 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something bugzilla has and

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing http://bugs.debian.org/src:pkgname ? A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? E.g.

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Christian Perrier may or may not have written... [snip] Actually, I'm among the ppl who discourage the use of diff files for PO files. The various differences in formatting behaviour of the PO editing tools, versions of gettext utilities and the like usually generate too much

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: The simple fact that anyone having submitted a comment to a bug is automatically added to the CC list for later comments is something that should be trivial to implement. Instead, we have a bloated and useless subscription

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:37:25PM +, Ross Burton wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: The simple fact that anyone having submitted a comment to a bug is automatically added to the CC list for later comments is something that should be trivial to

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing http://bugs.debian.org/src:pkgname ? A way for us to manage our 1600 bugs? You can do this by using

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:59:02PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: This feature has to be implemented as an add on module to debbugs or entirely separately. It can use the Debbugs:: modules if it must, but it really should pull any information it

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:01:06PM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 20:34 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez a écrit : What will a web interface provide that cannot be found/done by browsing

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Mike Hommey wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:01:06PM -0700, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want features like this, the right thing to do is file wishlist bugs against debbugs or bugs.debian.org instead of complaining on -devel or worse, silently

co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've expertise in the field of usability and I know, as an user, debbugs

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 3/15/07, Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've expertise in the

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. I'm volunteering for being a mentor for such a project. I've

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though.

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Shobhit Jindal
On 3/16/07, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Jan Michael C. Alonzo
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? I don't think this is about abilities. Do you think anyone who

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 04:10:10AM +0530, Shobhit Jindal wrote: On 3/16/07, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:48:53AM +1100, Jan Michael C. Alonzo wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 16:49 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : HTTP doesn't give you a callback mechanism, so you need to be able to tie the web submission back to an email address. You want to avoid joe-jobbing, so you require registration in advance of allowing bug submissions. Now

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 04:49:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Now you've reimplemented bugzilla, congratulations; and it's still inferior to reportbug because the website can't automatically gather information about the package status on your system when you submit a bug. I think with

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:52:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: This is true for the initial report. But you also gain something bugzilla has and reportbug doesn't: you can crawl on the website, find an interesting bug, and direclty add some comments. I don't see how this is anything that

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:06:33PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:28:11PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Hi all, I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:13:19AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Hi all, There has been long thread on bug triaging recently. I think that a web interface to the BTS could make the task easier for volunteers, since exploring the bug space of a software (from the Debian package to the

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm willing to present a Debian project proposal for the Google Summer of Code [1] for implementing a web frontend for reporting bugs to the Debian BTS. Any such frontend must not be worse than reportbug at actually gathering information and

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On to, 2007-03-15 at 15:06 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Christian Perrier
I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:20:50AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: I (continue to) object to the notion of web-based submission of bugs to Debian. Do you really think that someone who can't maneuver reportbug is capable of submitting a useful bug report? Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) Heh, I'm

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Christian Perrier
Hint, Steve: l10n...:-) Heh, I'm unhappy as it is with the practice of translators of submitting full .po files instead of diffs. ;) (getting OT) Actually, I'm among the ppl who discourage the use of diff files for PO files. The various differences in formatting behaviour of the PO

Re: co-mentor for a GSoC proposal wanted: debbugs web submission

2007-03-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2007-03-16 at 13:03 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:23:09PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: A GUI version of reportbug would be nice, though. Having to open a terminal and deal with clumsy line based user interfaces is not a hindrance, but it is an obstacle, to