Re: ..fixing ext3 fs going read-only, was : Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:22, Cameron Moore wrote: Having a file system decide to panic the kernel because your mount options instructed it to (ext3) is one thing.  Having the file system driver corrupt random kernel memory and cause an Oops (Reiser) is another.  The ReiserFS team's response

Re: ..fixing ext3 fs going read-only, was : Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:05:24 -0400, Theodore Ts'o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 07:24:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: What happens on error conditions can be set through tune2fs or as a mount option. Having it remount read-only is probably

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-08 Thread mimo
I have just played around with dovecot imap server. I can use your existing mail spool files. Also it allows for craetion of IMAP folders in users' home dirs which worries me a bit. I'd rather have the mailbox in MySQL or something like that. But that's a differnet discussion I guess. Michael

Dovecot (was: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..)

2003-09-08 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 08 September 2003 14:41, mimo wrote: I have just played around with dovecot imap server. I can use your existing mail spool files. Also it allows for craetion of IMAP folders in users' home dirs which worries me a bit. I'd rather have the mailbox in MySQL or something like that. But

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-08 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Sanders) [2003.09.07 20:55]: qmail is so different to sendmail, exim, postfix, and just about every other unix MTA that migrating to it is a major PITA. migrating away from it is at least as bad. qmail has some very nice features, and is much faster and far more

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-08 Thread Eric Sproul
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 22:34, Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 00:08, Eric Sproul wrote: until the entire message has been received and processed, the receiving MTA is not responsible for the message. In fact, I think this is RFC-specified. Why then, if the receiver isn't

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Nathan Eric Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.05.2025 +0200]: News flash: the FHS specifies how distributions should (or should not) lay out filesystems. The FHS does not prohibit end users from creating new root-level directories. executables alongside configuration files in /var

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Thomas Lamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.05.1414 +0200]: Complete ACK. I'm also willing to give support, as I use postfix+mysql+sasl at a couple of clients. did you ever get sasl to work with mozilla clients in any but the non-plaintext forms? i'd really appreciate help here! --

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-07 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Hans, Glad to hear the situation is getting better in .nl. Having been hit by several 10s of spam from some dutch provider the other day just didn't imply this :-) What is the connection between the nationality of Wietse Venema and people who sent spam? This is a very strange argument and

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-07 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder (Careful! What I say *might* be a joke.)
On Sunday 07 September 2003 15:48, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Apologies - missing attribution. This was Brian: What is the connection between the nationality of Wietse Venema and people who sent spam? This is a very strange argument and more fitted for a discussion between

..fixing ext3 fs going read-only, was : Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:34:45 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also I believe that in Ext3 if you write data to a file and then unlink the file before the data is committed to disk then the data will never be written. So there seems no loss as long

Re: ..fixing ext3 fs going read-only, was : Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:17, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..I have had a few cases of ext3fs'es, even on raid-1, going read-only on errors, what do you guys use to bring them back into service? What happens on error conditions can be set through tune2fs or as a mount option. Having it remount read-only

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-07 Thread Hans Spaans
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 03:48:42PM +0200, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Content-Description: signed data Hans, Glad to hear the situation is getting better in .nl. Having been hit by several 10s of spam from some dutch provider the other day just didn't imply this :-) I

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-07 Thread Hans Spaans
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:54:28AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote: Hear hear! Nationality doesn't matter. We're talking about technical merit of things here. Let's keep race, creed, religion, colour out of this. If we gave that impression, that was not the idea. If someone has that feeling, my

Re: ..fixing ext3 fs going read-only, was : Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:20:12 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 00:17, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..I have had a few cases of ext3fs'es, even on raid-1, going read-only on errors, what do you guys use to bring them back into service?

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:43:33PM +1000, Rudi Starcevic wrote: Sendmail or Qmail ? That is my question. neither. postfix is the answer. postfix is backwards compatible with sendmail (meaning minimal disruption during the migration) with better security, speed, and features than qmail

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:54:55AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: - qmail has a good integration with one of the fastest mailing list servers, ezmlm. ezmlm is probably the best thing about qmail. however, it's also an example of the technology trap that i referred to in a previous message

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 03:14:09PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:58, Eric Sproul wrote: First, scale is a consideration. Once we began to grow our customer base, our email volume began to increase dramatically. Qmail queues everything to disk, so the more mail you do

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-07 Thread W.D. McKinney
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 03:43:33PM +1000, Rudi Starcevic wrote: Sendmail or Qmail ? That is my question. Well Rudi, You have heard from most camps of users who prefer MTA's for various reasons. Interesting enough, Debian ships exim default, and uses Mailman for it's Debian hosted lists

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-06 Thread Hans Spaans
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 03:01:29PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Content-Description: signed data On Friday 05 September 2003 13:45, Nico Meijer wrote: - wietse venema is [...] d) dutch Taking into account that .nl is one of the major sources of spam right now (through a2000.nl and

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-06 Thread Brian Olivier
Please people, What is the connection between the nationality of Wietse Venema and people who sent spam? This is a very strange argument and more fitted for a discussion between kids. We are adults, we are professionals, this list is to discuss technicall matters (personal opinions allowed).

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
I've been running Qmail since '98. It's got a bottleneck in disk writes, but aside from that it's fast. (Anybody tried running the queue in a ramdisk? Howabout in an fs made in a file mounted looback?) It's secure and reliable. Unfortunately, it's not being maintained by its author. If you want

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Franz Georg Khler
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:19:54PM -, Cameron L. Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've given up on Qmail. I'm using Exim for small systems, and I'll try Postfix for my next big one. Why won't you give exim a try on bigger systems? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread W.D. McKinney
Hmm. Since '98 ...good for you. All the patches in the world don't help some folks anyway.Qmail has many ways to skin a cat. In the end, it's pick a horse and ride it. Exim, Postfix, Sendmail and qmail all have querks. Like the Mutt homepage, All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:19, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: I've been running Qmail since '98. It's got a bottleneck in disk writes, but aside from that it's fast. (Anybody tried running the queue in a ramdisk? Running the queue on a ramdisk would kill reliability. Using a non-volatile RAM device

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
to a file and then unlink the file before the data is committed to disk then the data will never be written. So there seems no loss as long as the file isn't opened with O_SYNC and you don't call fsync() (and no-one calls sync()). I'm not sure what the situation was like in 1999, now Qmail and LDAP

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Jason Lim
- Original Message - From: Cameron L. Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 07 September, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? .. I've been running Qmail since '98. It's got a bottleneck in disk writes, but aside from that it's fast. (Anybody tried

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Jason Lim
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:19, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: I've been running Qmail since '98. It's got a bottleneck in disk writes, but aside from that it's fast. (Anybody tried running the queue in a ramdisk? Running the queue on a ramdisk would kill reliability. Indeed, been there done

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
big mail servers running qmail and the sys admins don't have the same viewpoint that you do. That doesn't make you wrong or them wrong though. We're both right. Qmail meets my needs on my personal systems, where I don't need authentication out of a database or SMTP AUTH or milters or mailing

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-06 Thread Jason Lim
Please people, What is the connection between the nationality of Wietse Venema and people who sent spam? This is a very strange argument and more fitted for a discussion between kids. We are adults, we are professionals, this list is to discuss technicall matters (personal opinions

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:47, Jason Lim wrote: Mmm... one of the limitations of Qmail is that it creates many many individual files (one for each email) and due to filesystem limitations, EXT2/3 starts slowing to a crawl. Of course, another way would be to use ReiserFS, but wouldn't doing a FS

Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-05 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Martin, - ralf hildebrandt uses postfix (he's the guru, next to wietse. - ralf hildebrandt and patrick koetter (the other guru) are coming out with a book on postfix (http://www.nostarch.com/postfix.htm) - wietse venema (postfix's author) is a) capable b) generally a nice person, or so i've

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.05.0740 +0200]: This is illegal. And in any case, it's not official. Correction, this is not illegal, but only if you install a package that violates the FHS[1] big time. I don't see the merits in qmail to account for this compromise. 1

Re: Postfix! [WAS: Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..]

2003-09-05 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 05 September 2003 13:45, Nico Meijer wrote: - wietse venema is [...] d) dutch Taking into account that .nl is one of the major sources of spam right now (through a2000.nl and plant.nl), I'm not sure if this counts for or against using postfix. -- vbi (Happy postfix user) (Since

RE: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Thomas Lamy
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Dale E Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.04.1447 +0200]: Has it been covered before on this list? I for one would be interested in elaboration, if there is something technically inferior about exim or postfix to qmail or sendmail? Or politically, I

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Eric Sproul
is not responsible for the message. In fact, I think this is RFC-specified. Why then, if the receiver isn't responsible, would it want to spend disk I/O queuing a message that may end up being rejected or may fail to come completely in? I'm not sure what the situation was like in 1999, now Qmail and LDAP

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Tinus Nijmeijers
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Eric Sproul wrote: Yes, I know we could set a larger minimum interval for POP, but the political implications of generating tech support calls about why can't I POP my mail? prevent it. Don't get me started on THAT. 8^o sorry to butt in, but HOW could you set

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Eric Sproul
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 10:18, Tinus Nijmeijers wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Eric Sproul wrote: Yes, I know we could set a larger minimum interval for POP, but the political implications of generating tech support calls about why can't I POP my mail? prevent it. Don't get me started

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Guus Houtzager
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:18, Tinus Nijmeijers wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Eric Sproul wrote: Yes, I know we could set a larger minimum interval for POP, but the political implications of generating tech support calls about why can't I POP my mail? prevent it. Don't get me started

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Tinus Nijmeijers
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:31, Guus Houtzager wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:18, Tinus Nijmeijers wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 16:08, Eric Sproul wrote: Yes, I know we could set a larger minimum interval for POP, but the political implications of generating tech support calls about why

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Eric Sproul
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 11:19, Tinus Nijmeijers wrote: cyrus huh? in that case: is cyrus-popd a drop-in replacement for UW-pop (ipopd) on debian? I seem to remember it is not. You are correct. Cyrus uses a completely different method for storing mail, so you cannot just install its POP daemon.

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-05 Thread Nathan Eric Norman
. I don't see the merits in qmail to account for this compromise. 1. http://www.pathname.com/fhs News flash: the FHS specifies how distributions should (or should not) lay out filesystems. The FHS does not prohibit end users from creating new root-level directories. -- Nathan Norman

Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rudi Starcevic
Hi, Sorry to bother you all with this repeat question. I've have searched around and seen plenty of opinions but I'd like to ask again and get the latest from this list. Sendmail or Qmail ? That is my question. Currently we use Sendmail. It's worked fine, well actually problem free so better

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Greg Hindson
Why change something thats working perfectly ?? - Original Message - From: Rudi Starcevic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Sendmail or Qmail ? .. Hi,Sorry to bother you all with this repeat question.I've have

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Alex Borges
It all depends qmail has a very non standard way of being managed. Its almost meta-unix. That said, its VERY flexible, extremely powerfull, once you get a hang of it INCREDEBLY EASY to manage. And it has no paralell in security (AGES and AGES better than sendmail) Sadly, its non free. You

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread M. Lucas
I'm using Qmail for over 4 years on small installations without any problems The biggest problem with qmail is DJB's attitude. The people on the qmail list have the same attitude, but they know everything about the source and can help you. I only install Qmail.. Maurice Lucas On Thu, 2003-09

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Jamie Baddeley
so how does exim compare in all of this? jamie On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:10, Alex Borges wrote: It all depends qmail has a very non standard way of being managed. Its almost meta-unix. That said, its VERY flexible, extremely powerfull, once you get a hang of it INCREDEBLY EASY to manage

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rudi Starcevic
Hi, Why change something thats working perfectly ?? Greg .. Yes that's what I was thinking .. -- but that's what they also said in Nth America 'til the recent blackouts :-( And it has no paralell in security (AGES and AGES better than sendmail) Alex .. That's what mostly appeals to me

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Alex Borges
El jue, 04-09-2003 a las 01:47, Jamie Baddeley escribió: so how does exim compare in all of this? It doesnt at all Not to ellaborate, but the subject says it all...even then. I hate exim too. jamie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rudi Starcevic
Hi, so how does exim compare in all of this? Sorry Jamie - In my case, and my case alone, Exim doesn't compare. There are many very good MTA's out there. For me I know Sendmail - ( I compile from source ). I've heard lots of good things about Qmail to I did consider that one only. Also every

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Dale E Martin
At this stage I'm leaning towards sticking with Sendmail but something inside wants to know more about Qmail. I'd pick exim or postfix over either of those, but then again I've only dealt with smaller mail installations. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Dale E Martin
It doesnt at all Not to ellaborate, but the subject says it all...even then. I hate exim too. Has it been covered before on this list? I for one would be interested in elaboration, if there is something technically inferior about exim or postfix to qmail or sendmail? Or politically, I

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Eric Sproul
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 01:43, Rudi Starcevic wrote: Hi, Sorry to bother you all with this repeat question. I've have searched around and seen plenty of opinions but I'd like to ask again and get the latest from this list. Sendmail or Qmail ? That is my question. Rudi, I work at an ISP

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rod Rodolico
, Rudi Starcevic wrote: Hi, Sorry to bother you all with this repeat question. I've have searched around and seen plenty of opinions but I'd like to ask again and get the latest from this list. Sendmail or Qmail ? That is my question. Rudi, I work at an ISP that used to use Qmail, but now

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rudi Starcevic
to a choice of three. a) Sendmail b) Qmail c) Postfix. Well Qmail is out I think - for Religous reasons. See I'm Religous - that's why I use and love Debian ;-) As for Sendmail, well some say it's full of holes but as Eric has noted those bugs get ironed out pronto and apt sorts the rest out

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Alex Borges
El jue, 04-09-2003 a las 07:58, Eric Sproul escribió: We chose OpenLDAP. At the time (1999), Qmail did not have LDAP support (correct me if I'm wrong). Sendmail did. Even if Qmail did have LDAP support then, Sendmail's source was *much* easier to dig through for the performance tuning we

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Dale E Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.04.1447 +0200]: Has it been covered before on this list? I for one would be interested in elaboration, if there is something technically inferior about exim or postfix to qmail or sendmail? Or politically, I suppose, since much of people's

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Rudi Starcevic
, if there is something technically inferior about exim or postfix to qmail or sendmail? Or politically, I suppose, since much of people's dislike about qmail has more to due with "political" than technical reasons. random notes (these are facts and opinions, please don't flame me): - sendmai

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Dale E Martin
random notes (these are facts and opinions, please don't flame me): - sendmail and exim are both single setuid binaries. bad. - postfix is the most performant of all four. - qmail has an interesting but possibly confusing configuration paradigm - postfix has the easiest configuration, IMHO

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread George Georgalis
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:54:55AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Mostly good comments (I've never used postfix or exim -- comments seem accurate from what I've heard) but I have to disagree with this: - qmail support includes being flamed by the author I've subscribed to the qmail list more

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread W.D. McKinney
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 14:54, martin f krafft wrote: - qmail isn't available as a binary package for Debian Wrong. See http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ . - qmail support includes being flamed by the author Wrong. Ask a question and find out. Many helpful people who don't flame

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread W.D. McKinney
or Qmail ? That is my question. Rudi, I work at an ISP that used to use Qmail, but now uses Sendmail. There are several reasons why the switch was made, none having anything to do with the religion surrounding either one. The following is my opinion, illustrated with some examples from my

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread George Georgalis
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 06:51:41PM -0800, W.D. McKinney wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 04:58, Eric Sproul wrote: Sendmail's milter plug-in system has also been invaluable when we implemented server-side bayesian spam filtering, and as we work on virus scanning. qmail being modular has

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:58, Eric Sproul wrote: First, scale is a consideration. Once we began to grow our customer base, our email volume began to increase dramatically. Qmail queues everything to disk, so the more mail you do, the more pressure you put on your disk I/O. The server running

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Dale E Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.05.0207 +0200]: I'd add: - exim has the most extensive and useful documentation (But I'd love to be proven wrong!) possible, although i do find the stuff on postfix.org adequate. maybe not for MTA newbies but for people with experience

Re: Sendmail or Qmail ? ..

2003-09-04 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach W.D. McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.05.0448 +0200]: - qmail isn't available as a binary package for Debian Wrong. See http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/ This is illegal. And in any case, it's not official. - qmail support includes being flamed by the author Wrong. Ask

Re: Qmail + Amavis + Spamassassin

2003-07-15 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 at 13:18:21 +0200, M.S. Lucas wrote: I want to use Qmail with Amavis and Spamassassin on a Debian Woody server. Qmail and Spamassassin are both available on Woody but Amavis isn't. What source do you use for the (backported) amavis packages I used deb http

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-06-06 Thread Ariel Graneros
I prefer postfix, it is rock solid everywhere i use it, has fewer security issues than sendmail, is quite powerful, and the best of all, is veery easy to configure. Anyway, i've never tried anything else. On Wed, 21 May 2003 12:10:17 -0300 Ana Paula Sabelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I´m

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-06-06 Thread Sis
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Ariel Graneros wrote: I prefer postfix, it is rock solid everywhere i use it, has fewer security issues than sendmail, is quite powerful, and the best of all, is veery easy to configure. Anyway, i've never tried anything else. On Wed, 21 May 2003 12:10:17 -0300 Ana

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-06-06 Thread Ariel Graneros
I prefer postfix, it is rock solid everywhere i use it, has fewer security issues than sendmail, is quite powerful, and the best of all, is veery easy to configure. Anyway, i've never tried anything else. On Wed, 21 May 2003 12:10:17 -0300 Ana Paula Sabelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I´m

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-06-06 Thread Sis
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Ariel Graneros wrote: I prefer postfix, it is rock solid everywhere i use it, has fewer security issues than sendmail, is quite powerful, and the best of all, is veery easy to configure. Anyway, i've never tried anything else. On Wed, 21 May 2003 12:10:17 -0300 Ana

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-22 Thread Marcus Meyer
I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. My favorit ist qmail. Take a look at http://www.pipeline.com.au/staff/mbowe/isp/webmail-server.htm greets - Diese eMail ist ein Service von Wird noch nicht

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-22 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:10:17PM -0300, Ana Paula Sabelli wrote: Hi, I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. Qmail. Even though it has some problems too, as every piece of software does, they are in no way of the same magnitude as sendmail's

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-22 Thread Volker Tanger
Greetings! On Wed, 21 May 2003 18:40:36 +0200 Franz Georg Köhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I?m setting up a mail server, I ?d like to hear opinions about which one is better. It depends on your personal preferences. I favor exim: http://www.exim.org/ . Main question: what do you

sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread Ana Paula Sabelli
Hi, I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. TIA Ana Paula Sabelli

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread Franz Georg Khler
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 12:10:17PM -0300, Ana Paula Sabelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I?m setting up a mail server, I ?d like to hear opinions about which one is better. It depends on your personal preferences. I favor exim: http://www.exim.org/ .

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread Splash Tekalal
At 12:10 PM 5/21/2003 -0300, Ana Paula Sabelli wrote: Hi, I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. TIA Ana Paula Sabelli Personally, I use Postfix.. It handles just about anything I need to throw at it.. -Splash

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Wednesday 21 May 2003 17:10, Ana Paula Sabelli wrote: Hi, I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. Personally, I don't like qmail mainly because of its license (I never explored further than that), and because about the only things I regularly

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread W.D. McKinney
On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 07:10, Ana Paula Sabelli wrote: Hi, I´m setting up a mail server, I ´d like to hear opinions about which one is better. TIA Ana Paula Sabelli OK, it's a sysadmin preference type isssue for sure. Having run Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, qmail and atmail, we have settled

Re: sendmail or qmail or what?

2003-05-21 Thread Victor Yoalli Dominguez Torres
like qmail mainly because of its license (I never explored further than that), and because about the only things I regularly hear is that it has some obscure 'features' where the authors opinion differs from everybody else's. I stopped using sendmail because I really like to *understand

Weird thing (qmail, amavis, maildrop)

2003-04-25 Thread Marcin Owsiany
of the message flow: 1. Qmail receives a message for a local user. 2. qmail-lspawn invokes /var/qmail/bin/qmail-local, which is in fact a symlink to a tweaked amavis-sh script. 3. The script invokes: cat | ${formail} -f -A ${X_Header_String} ${tmpdir}/receivedmail which stores the message (read from

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-12 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 16:27, Blake Covarrubias wrote: LifeWithQmail.org does have a lot of information about setting up Qmail, but there's parts of it that I can't even get working. Here's the output of qmail-showctl. You can see below that I'm having some problems. qmail home directory

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-10 Thread Mark Sprong
Blake Covarrubias wrote: LifeWithQmail.org does have a lot of information about setting up Qmail, but there's parts of it that I can't even get working. Here's the output of qmail-showctl. You can see below that I'm having some problems. Blake, Forget about the part where you have to compile

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-10 Thread Mark Sprong
Blake Covarrubias wrote: LifeWithQmail.org does have a lot of information about setting up Qmail, but there's parts of it that I can't even get working. Here's the output of qmail-showctl. You can see below that I'm having some problems. Blake, Forget about the part where you have to compile qmail

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Blake Covarrubias
LifeWithQmail.org does have a lot of information about setting up Qmail, but there's parts of it that I can't even get working. Here's the output of qmail-showctl. You can see below that I'm having some problems. qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal

Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Hi, I'm trying to setup a web and email server for our LUG. I've chosen qmail for my MTA. I'm having a rough time getting it configured though. There aren't too many tutorials around online on how to configure qmail, so I'm pretty much stuck on where to even start. :( Does anyone know of any good

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Mark Sprong
Blake Covarrubias wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup a web and email server for our LUG. I've chosen qmail for my MTA. I'm having a rough time getting it configured though. There aren't too many tutorials around online on how to configure qmail, so I'm pretty much stuck on where to even start. :( Does

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Blake Covarrubias
LUG. I've chosen qmail for my MTA. I'm having a rough time getting it configured though. There aren't too many tutorials around online on how to configure qmail, so I'm pretty much stuck on where to even start. :( Does anyone know of any good tutorials or HOWTOs that'll help me setup qmail

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 02:32:09PM -0700, Blake Covarrubias wrote: [ please don't top post ] On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 14:37, Mark Sprong wrote: Blake Covarrubias wrote: Hi, I'm trying to setup a web and email server for our LUG. I've chosen qmail for my MTA. I'm having a rough time

Re: Good qmail tutorial

2003-03-09 Thread Blake Covarrubias
LifeWithQmail.org does have a lot of information about setting up Qmail, but there's parts of it that I can't even get working. Here's the output of qmail-showctl. You can see below that I'm having some problems. qmail home directory: /var/qmail. user-ext delimiter: -. paternalism (in decimal

Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Jasper Metselaar
Hi, Is there someone who's using Spamassasin together with Qmail (Gerrit Pape's packages)? I am trying to get this combination working, but didn't succeed yet.If someone knows a good how-to document I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance! - Jasper -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Dave Watkins
Try this http://www.magma.com.ni/~jorge/spamassassin.html If you have any grief let me know as I've got it running here from these instructions Dave At 13:16 25/02/2003 +0100, Jasper Metselaar wrote: Hi, Is there someone who's using Spamassasin together with Qmail (Gerrit Pape's packages)? I

Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Jasper Metselaar
Hi, Is there someone who's using Spamassasin together with Qmail (Gerrit Pape's packages)? I am trying to get this combination working, but didn't succeed yet.If someone knows a good how-to document I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance! - Jasper

Re: Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Matt Clauson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:16, Jasper Metselaar wrote: Is there someone who's using Spamassasin together with Qmail (Gerrit Pape's packages)? I am trying to get this combination working, but didn't succeed yet.If someone knows a good how

Re: Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Burner
Actualy its quite easy to get spamassassin to work with qmail, install and run spamassassin as a deamon (spamd), and insert something like: |ifspamh example-com-isspam in top of the users dot-qmail file ex. .qmail-example-com then create .qmail-example-com-isspam and modify it to your needs

Re: Qmail+Spamassasin

2003-02-25 Thread Dave Watkins
Try this http://www.magma.com.ni/~jorge/spamassassin.html If you have any grief let me know as I've got it running here from these instructions Dave At 13:16 25/02/2003 +0100, Jasper Metselaar wrote: Hi, Is there someone who's using Spamassasin together with Qmail (Gerrit Pape's packages)? I am

Re: customizing qmail failure delivery

2003-02-17 Thread Christian Jaeger
At 21:25 Uhr -0800 16.02.2003, Ted Deppner wrote: On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 08:02:45PM +0100, Christian Jaeger wrote: - By default, qmail tries for a week to deliver a message before it gives up. No warning whatsoever is sent to the sender before. Is there no way to make it send a delay warning

Re: customizing qmail failure delivery

2003-02-16 Thread Ted Deppner
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 08:02:45PM +0100, Christian Jaeger wrote: - By default, qmail tries for a week to deliver a message before it gives up. No warning whatsoever is sent to the sender before. Is there no way to make it send a delay warning after 4 hours? man qmailsend, look

Re: Qmail/Postfix/Sendmail for fastest outgoing mail

2002-11-26 Thread Craig Sanders
been handed 10 individual emails by qmail, so it will deliver 10 individual emails. Mmm... but, for example, if it scanned it's queue every 30 seconds, for example, it could then combine them together? nope. For example at www.exim.org you find the following paragraphs: SMTP

Re: Qmail/Postfix/Sendmail for fastest outgoing mail

2002-11-26 Thread Jason Lim
that they were originally the same email(*). postfix has been handed 10 individual emails by qmail, so it will deliver 10 individual emails. Mmm... but, for example, if it scanned it's queue every 30 seconds, for example, it could then combine them together? nope. For example at www.exim.org

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