x27;re right, I totally missed that, given how obvious it was.
This would be totally illegal in France too.
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dership and business sense so that it's mostly
obvious he'll success.
IOW we could only lend money to people who will already be able to find
money by themselves easily enough. It's not Debian job at all, not to
mention the legal complexity to do that worldwide.
Sorry, but this
only about shilly. Some tuomoware is not really any
better.
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sters have
> decided this, they haven't disclosed it anywhere appropriate.
Indeed, last time I checked, the requirement was that Debian is allowed
to redistribute the stuff, which kind of makes sense ;)
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IMHO a faithful wording of our position (with the
s/releasing/freezing/ fix ;p)
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On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:02:59PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Pierre Habouzit [2009.08.06.1104 +0200]:
> > You're comparing apples and oranges here, for HTML is a standard,
> > and theoretically, following the standard is enough (and even that
> > is
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 08:52:10AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Pierre Habouzit [2009.08.05.2333 +0200]:
> > But speaking from my experience as an employee of a software editor, I
> > can tell that the distribution diversity is a huge problem when it comes
> >
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:51:08PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Pierre Habouzit]
> > It yields a really costly entry point to target "Linux" as a
> > platform, and it's exactly why most Software Vendors target "RHEL"
> > and not "Li
their funky Telco hardware work with a proprietary stack and
so on.
[1] quality of the support is clearly the other biggest part
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is
> > true of prejudice against Ubuntu here in Debian.
>
> I think you're misscharacterizing Torvalds' statement.
[...]
> which basically amounts to: "If you speak about freedom, you're an extremist
> full of hate".
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and I
welcome them. But there are way too many example of bad (or rather
inexistant) cooperation, or even dirty tricks like #539950, which
undermines the former tries a lot.
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french, openSuse isn't very relevant here, I bet it's
different on the other side of the Rhine.
[2] le "mieux" est l'ennemi du "bien"
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roughly two years apart, which is some
> indication that we can sustain the 24 month cycle, more or less.
Yes.
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you really mean to provide something like ia32-apt-get, what you
ought to do is to:
- help the user create and maintain a proper 32bits chroot;
- let ia32-apt-get or whatever it's called be a forward to running
apt-get inside that chroot;
- find a way to let the user run commands
reaucratic?
TTBOMK the split was done because it helped take some pressure of elmo's
shoulder. It never worked that well in the end as it rather added more
buffer effects to processing, so in the end, yes, it rather adds
bureaucracy to the whole thing.
OTOH, I'm not sure merging DAM and
be a valid GR proposal,
> > AIUI. All I meant was that I second the feeling, rather than a formal
> > proposal.
>
> We're having a serious discussion, and you guys are adding noise.
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, the questions don't seem much closer to
> resolution.
If you can't understand the "Please postpone the bikeshedding after the
lenny release so that you'll have proper answers"-bit then I can nothing
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 04:20:37PM +, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Note that the whole point is to know that the person in question shall
> > know his/her limits, and know who to ask when in trouble. Not everybody
> > should be a top class program
on technical or trust reasons
rather than a dislike of B.
Updating one's own key on the other hand, or replacing signatures, or...
should be a task than one's should be able to do on his own. Only if the
old key is invalid for some reason (key was revoked, expired, whatever)
then yeah, we s
dates + 1) each year isn't really that of a burden. But there
are really simple other way to count activity like uploads, "lastlog" on
some debian machines, or even a reminder mail every year people would
have to reply to with a signed mail (and a hash so that people cannot
wadays that I trust with their judgements to
not do anything foolish, beyond what they understand.
What we should test is that and only that (okay good understanding of
the project, and of the people, and so on is vital too, but I suppose
we're only discu
formulate
them, but I've a trip to the US to plan, so I don't really have the time
to write about them just now.
Mind to start a DEP with this proposal as a basis ?
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> I agree, I fail to see what's bureaucratic about the proposal. After
> all it's a simple 2x2 matrix with requirements for the 4 "boxes".
unbelievable
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elay to be a DD. It's acknowledging that we suck, and trying
nothing to fix the problem. It's unacceptable to me.
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doesn't quite excuse the regular offenders either.
[0] sadly, each day of the release, we have examples of completely
clueless people who still insist on breaking stuff. Just look at
the unblock requests, some are totally WTF. Just a random example.
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On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:28:44PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:10:29PM +, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >> This was initially written by me, then discussed within DAM (so take
> >> us t
imes.
[0] Yes there are no pure translators atm in Debian, though there are
quite a few DDs that work in l10n efforts, I've seen *none* of
them do NMUs because they felt like it.
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#x27;t the nm-committee involved, and the DEP process
completely ignored ?
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On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:48:51AM +, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 23 octobre 2008 à 10:37 +0200, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
> > So when the
> > *constitution* gives him the right to do what he just did (yeah, sadly
> > he can and we have to be 2:1 to overrule that y
thing, I speak from experience). So when the
*constitution* gives him the right to do what he just did (yeah, sadly
he can and we have to be 2:1 to overrule that yeah), it's completely
against the nature of Debian, and the spirit of the constitution.
I'm blat
ssé à la page
>
> Bonjour Michel,
>
> le site www.debian.fr n'est pas géré par Debian.
To be complete, www.debian.fr is cybersquatted, and the content shown
is a very old mirror from www.fr.debian.org, far from complete, and
ser
ng I feel this project is
> seriously lacking in.
seconded \o/
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I'm not 100% sure it's enough, but it shoudln't hurt.
It applied to dak at the time.
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 11:08:33AM +, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Thursday 29 November 2007, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I know, but maybe (but that's sad if we need to do that) we should
> > &
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 06:49:37AM +, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:19:21PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > or we could disallow the override of >= E: errors in lintian, and make
> &g
ame.
Yeah, good idea, whereas you could have argued that the former was a
spam, now you will have a hard time thanks to this one, that I'm sure
will rank as the second hit for your name. way to do :D
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:54:39PM +, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:49:38PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > or we could disallow the override of >= E: errors in lintian, and make
> > lintian reboot your computer, fill your gpg with /dev/random bit
Another thing we could do is alert sponsors about checking for lintian
> overrides when they review a package.
or we could disallow the override of >= E: errors in lintian, and make
lintian reboot your computer, fill your gpg with /dev/random bits, and
install windows over yo
to them they aren't ready. It's your role as a sponsor to be
sure the guy you sponsor is ready and gets things right.
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On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 09:50:57AM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 06:10:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:10:41PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > Here is the current list.
> > When psql on merkel gets updated to a v
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 08:10:42AM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 12:10:41PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > I note that the 4th package made an interesting choice indeed.
>
> The Dm-Upload-Allowed: field is only relevant for DM when there're non-D
;
Package: libphp-adodb
Maintainer: Cameron Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Package: torrentflux
Maintainer: Cameron Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Package: tumiki-fighters
Maintainer: Debian Games Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Uploaders: Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter De Wachter <
, it would be nice if these mails could also specify which
> packages the DMs are allowed to upload.
OTOH this is a moving target, as the DM-keyring maintainers are not
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w every bit of current work of every team or
> developer.
However the project as a whole needs to know where its core teams are
headed. The DPL looks like a relevant information hub for that purpose.
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the new DM keyring admin was discussed ?
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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 11:19:07AM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > If MjR has issues with the company Debian-UK (or any other alike
> > organization) he buys his t-shirts from, then he should mention it to
> > this organization
also because it meets ethics requirements that
I feel are important. Though I tend to dislike proselytism and
sanctimonious attitudes.
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debian.org, for everyone to see and watch. I expect at least the same
degree of informations to be available for DDs.
I'm very pleased to see that a team as new as the DM one works already
so great that only 2 of its alleged members are aware of what's
currently happening. I'm
read the section:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-kernel-changes
Here is your answer.
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years he'll be on-topic, no so long time ago, it
was about Windows, at least Solaris is an Unix.
*cough*
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t; > celebrating this a bit? What would be an appropriate way?
>
> By spending the day arguing about whether users or free software are the
> more important priority? ;)
revisionist !
SCNR
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 06:46:40PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On ma, 2007-06-18 at 13:37 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:48:04AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > multi-byte one would be really really bad (as you would end up with e..g.
> >
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:48:04AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> multi-byte one would be really really bad (as you would end up with e.g.
> strings split in the middle of a point code, *brrr* you definitely don't
> want that).
I wasn't clear it seems, but what I mean is if
f-8 as the amount of programs running with
that locale is definitely small and manageable. In a debian system ? no,
it's definitely a _bad_ idea.
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in den "main" Abschnitt
verteilt sind, fallen unter die "kostenlose Lizensierung". Tatsächlich,
diese Software sind Frei, Sie können an [1] Erklärungen finden, um zu
lernen, waß es im einzelnen bedeutet.
http://www.debian.org/social_contra
ing him?
Damn, how fool was I. I was completely under the impression that *he*
was the one trolling our lists for months.
Makes me think, he can't be alone to generate all that flood, or he
uses scripting. Maybe the latter given the very high redundancy of the
content, wording and anno
ect written in Python as it is more
> and more a langage of choice in Debian, and you mentionned Gtk, which
> is fine in Python.
> Pierre Habouzit wrote bts-link which is Python based and interfaces
> with our BTS and Bugzilla, and he mentionned the idea of a bug
> forwarding tool
Attached is my ${keyid}.changes for fathi boudra, proposed for
inclusion in the DM jetring.
It is debsigned with my own gpg.key, just tell me if it needs any kind
of tweaks in the fields syntax.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Changed-By: Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTEC
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 12:58:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:47:22PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Well at first it is. One of my main sponsoree is Fathi[0]. I sponsor
> > him for quite a long time now, I'd say a year at least. The
sponsor shall be in Uploaders, I sponsor a lot
of package I never use, and I don't want to be in either of the fields.
Though a Sponsor: field could be of use, yes.
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the house is not finished.
TTBOMK Christian already chosed suite IIRC, which is a good term, the
discussion is from May 2006 for god's sake !
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s would be better than a plain
> >> self-nomination. What do others think?
> >
> >Sounds better to me.
>
> Ditto.
ditto
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On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 11:41:11PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 04:09:46PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > I'm not sure what you're asking to be communicated.
>
> > The following of the mail looks perfect to me, I would really have
&g
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:14:17AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Do you want a Simple example ? For almost 4 or 5 months (if not more)
> > there is no Alpha machine available to developers, one being restricted
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 08:45:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > So sorry, but I don't buy a single word of your argumentation here.
>
> It wasn't an argument; it was just a statement of things are, a
it, then I for my part don't understand how they are in those critical
positions in the first place. There is plenty of people out there that
I'm sure have the same set of skills, maybe work 10% slower, but
communicate and reduce the project frustration to 0 wrt core teams.
So sorry,
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> it's not as bad as inexistant RM's or ghost DSA or absent Buildd Admins.
After a second read that sentence does not looks that good. I don't
mean that our RM's are inexistant, that would not be fair to t
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:08:51PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > 10 people is the best way to ensure nothing ever gets done. That sole
> > number shows that you don't really understand how hard it is to have a
> > lea
s better our own internal workings..
> If a board member goes MIA, we still have 9 others who are there.
If a DPL knows he's unreliable he should be the first one to find
succession, or even not nominate himself in the first place. MIA
developers are
one.
So _as you describe it_ I think such a DPL Board is a quite bad idea.
I've no real position about a DPL Team in general, but this instance is
clearly not a thing I'd like to see, for at least the two previous
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t; autobuilder) just look at [1], whereas every single arch is
keeping up quietly, arm and sparc seem to go to the deepness of hell. I
don't know who are the sparc buildd admins, but for sure, the arm port
do not seem to be that well.
[1] http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph2-week
int new DSA or
not.
as a matter of a fact, like I already said in private to you, I do
volunteer, especially wrt the spam issues we meet atm, for whose I do
have quite an experience with.
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On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:29:41PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 05:03:35PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > Aurelien mailed debian-arm, went to #debian-arm, had no response. He
> > then warn about his intention [1] to run qemu-based autobuilders to fill
hat can do that, you can mail
me privately if you need some pointers.
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renaming the Debian Maintainer: field into Debian-Maintainer: or
whatever else too.
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d skills have left. We lost a valuable libpng maintainer,
we lost a guy that understood how timezones worked, how xkb worked, and
a valuable l10n team member, a weekly DWN, etc… Some of those places
are vacant because there is simply nobody else to fill the gaps.
[1] http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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Le dim 8 octobre 2006 15:36, Stephen Gran a écrit :
> This one time, at band camp, Pierre Habouzit said:
> > Le dim 8 octobre 2006 14:18, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> > > And if the comments associated to the project proposal indicate
> > > that there's some co
are taken or not. It
always ends in bad technical solutions, so my fear is legitimate. My
other concern is about how people that do the bounties are chosen, I
say that chosing the known ones is unfair, and should not be done.
don't mix the two in an incoherent tossed salad.
> Wasn'
e. And nothing prevents further improvements
> later in the process. Being paid doesn't mean that we stop doing free
> software.
did I said so ? are you trying to divert my thoughts into some lame
FUD ? or did you truly not understood me to that level ?
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Le mer 4 octobre 2006 19:47, Daniel Ruoso a écrit :
> Qua, 2006-10-04 às 14:04 +0200, Pierre Habouzit escreveu:
> > Le mer 4 octobre 2006 13:25, Daniel Ruoso a écrit :
> > > Isn't it the time to recreate the non-us section?
> >
> > no, at least not for patent
Le mer 4 octobre 2006 13:25, Daniel Ruoso a écrit :
> Isn't it the time to recreate the non-us section?
no, at least not for patent issues. we would need a debian-${COUNTRY}
rather than a non-US if we begin to take that into consideration.
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al made by josselin mouette again, and affirm that
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of releasing etch by a GR which needs to meet the 3:1
>requirement instead of attempting to define ourselves into such a
>position, especially when source code is clearly a desirable thing
>to have from our users and our perspective.
and I also feel that's needed.
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s "blobs" does not makes them more free or less non-free and if
they don't deserve main, those should not get in there.
it's not about dropping support for contrib/non-free.
And I strongly disagree with you about the contrib/non-free sections
anyw
n offician statement from the debian project.
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DPL, it means that having such words as the DPL makes it worse.
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> following them all (or almost all) from having to keep track of them
> ourselves.
OH YEAH!
seconded++
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ges either).
apache[12] maintenance in debian is quite a shame in its current state
IMHO.
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Le ven 28 juillet 2006 23:01, Gustavo Franco a écrit :
> On 7/28/06, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > do you know a thing that could benefit from that ?
> > - unofficial ports (kfreebsd e.g.) for whom it's a real PITA to
> > have their patches (ofte
k that nobody
dared to because it was tbm. Would a random DD have tried the same
thing, that wouldn't have been *that* easy.
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that integration can be easier,
e.g. making so called NMU be more easily accepted, so that
nobody/noone/nothing can prevent an actual enhancement of the distro to
go on. But one should /still/ be responsible for that or that package,
this is what makes debian special, and I will defend it.
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On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:06:26PM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2006, Pierre HABOUZIT wrote:
> > debian does not contains non-free software. non-free is not part of
> > debian, it's only supported using the same tools.
>
> The differences between main,
, contain
> non-free software, and RMS has dedicated his life fighting against it.
debian does not contains non-free software. non-free is not part of
debian, it's only supported using the same tools.
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n lagging.
> You cannot blame Ubuntu because Debian sucks.
did I ?
One should note though that for the second case, the person in charge
for python in debian is also a cannonical employee.
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we have caught that already, or, or, ...
and since we work on different versions, different svn
repositories, it's just not possible to coordinate in a better way.
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ng as basic as xorg/python/.. deviates, you can't pretend to be
compatible). What I'd prefer is that big transition would be as much as
possible prepared collectively. Else, we are bound to have useless
crufty diffs, that I even won't bother to read, because it's only lost
time.
rity updates suite, meaning that flaws have been
*fixed*.
Cheers,
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