RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Allums
> >> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the > >> different program names. > > > > I never did, and never had to. It works fine. > > Just because you're using software that doesn't use this software as a > dependency. I don't know what you are talking about. > >>

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-11 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Tom H writes: >>> Have you filed a bug report about aptitude breaking apt (whatever >>> that means!) or is this just FUD? >> >> No, I have not. Because it is normal aptitude's behaviour. >> >> It was a cognitive case... > > You start out by replying that this isn't a bug but normal for > aptitude

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:22:47 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : > > On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: > > > >> It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be > >> a sysadmin. I own my

Re: OT for this OT: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/11/2013 9:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Wikipedia is hardly what I would call "reliable". Many people claim that many Wikis are bad. I disagree, it's a lexicon that is much better than most, if not all reputable printed lexica. If you find a bad Wiki, please correct it, make it better.

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/11/2013 6:22 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 02:22 +0300, Terho Uotila wrote: > "rootly powers doesn't make sysadmin" > "rootly powers makes sysadmin" What is meant by "sysadmin" depends to the context. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

OT for this OT: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> Wikipedia is hardly what I would call "reliable". Many people claim that many Wikis are bad. I disagree, it's a lexicon that is much better than most, if not all reputable printed lexica. If you find a bad Wiki, please correct it, make it better. A few Wikis are not only much better than reput

gnome depends on adblock-plus

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Well, as I claimed more than once here, I am not a DE user, but I have read today something ( on linuxfr ) which surprise me a lot, and it seem that reading is true, from : gnome depends on xul-ext-adblock-plus. I always thought that dependencies were here for technical reasons, and I can not

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 02:24, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/11/2013 6:22 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a s

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/11/2013 6:22 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 19:19 -0400, Tom H wrote: > Do you really think that the intention of the GNOME developers when > they designed gvfs was to create software that damages drives?! I never claimed this, but nowadays the software does kill drives, today it's outdated. Some DEs don't use GVFS and

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote: > >> > >> MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all > >> convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett >> wrote: >>> >>> 2. I base my preseed.cfg on the example at >>> http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt . Near the end >>> of >>> the install process I'm as

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Terho Uotila
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:11:01 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Oh, of course, if you speak about giving yourself a label, then, > fine. Take the one you want. But, it does not mean that you can claim > to be a professional, or that you can say someone is a professional. > It seemed to

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: Have you considered NAS? >>> >>> No way! >> >> What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? > > Money. Wouldn't that h

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, wrote: Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance with green drives. I could've replied: "I only ev

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: >> >> You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance >> with green drives. I could've replied: "I only ever connect an >> external dri

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 10:03:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > 1. Being on dialup, I use a purchased copy of the 10 DVD set for > installation. > My preseed.cfg is on a USB stick. I use the "Automated install" > option. Pressing allows me to specify the file location. Of > course it comes to a hal

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote: >> >> MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all >> convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software" meme! >> Soneone said upthread that MATE uses GTK2. AFAIK

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.10.2013 00:01, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [1] wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *AUTHORIZATIONS* to tinker it. It's what r

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 23:44, Brian a écrit : On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 23:21:07 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : >"are you root?" It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyw

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 10/11/2013 05:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *authorizations* to tinker it. It's what root, or

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 23:21:07 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : > >"are you root?" > > It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be > a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the > *authorizations* to

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 22:15:59 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:06:24PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > "are you root?" is the clue. If you are able to be root , you are a > > sysadmin. > > We fundamentally disagree on that point. Without the ability to become root you are u

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : "are you root?" It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I anyway have the *authorizations* to tinker it. It's what root, or to be more precise, uid=0 means in linux OSes. --

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:06:24PM +0100, Brian wrote: > "are you root?" is the clue. If you are able to be root , you are a > sysadmin. We fundamentally disagree on that point. > Of course, we all know a sysadmin role can only be filled by a very > special person. If you say so. I've never f

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Oct 2013 at 13:24:28 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Getting a printer to work in Linux or a weekly rsync to a USB HDD > do not make you a sysadmin any more than managing your current > (checking in en_US afaik) makes you an accountant. Eh? A parent who spends many hours attending to

Re: [Solved] Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 04:29:37PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Do you know what is the GNUTLS default value? > > http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-September/017323.html Thanks again! Regards, Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.de

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Richard Owlett
Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: 1. Being on dialup, I use a purchased copy of the 10 DVD set for installation. My preseed.cfg is on a USB stick. I use the "Automated install" option. Pressing allows me to specify the file location. Of course it comes to a

Re: [Solved] Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Veljko wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 03:39:47PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Veljko wrote: > > > "gnutls handshake: the diffie-helman prime sent by the server is not > > > acceptable (not long enough) > > > > Check option ssl_min_dh_pri

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Have you considered NAS? No way! What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? Money. GVFS is absolutely optional software. You only ever consider things from your limited use

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit : On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Have you considered NAS? No way! What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? GVFS is absolutely optional software. You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > Tom H writes: >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: >>> Florian Lindner writes: What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due t

Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 08:32:37PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Can you connect using openssl? > > http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#cs-smtp > > J. It seams that I can: Acceptable client certificate CA names /C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CA --- SSL handshake has read 3507 bytes and wri

[Solved] Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 03:39:47PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Veljko wrote: > > "gnutls handshake: the diffie-helman prime sent by the server is not > > acceptable (not long enough) > > Check option ssl_min_dh_prime_bits for the config file .muttrc. It is > l

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H wrote: MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-"common-software" meme! Soneone said upthread that MATE uses GTK2. AFAIK it's being transitioned to GTK3 so it'll then be less of a burden

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Have you considered NAS? > > No way! What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection? > GVFS is absolutely optional software. You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream developers and distribution maintainer

Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Veljko wrote: > "gnutls handshake: the diffie-helman prime sent by the server is not > acceptable (not long enough) Check option ssl_min_dh_prime_bits for the config file .muttrc. It is listed in the muttrc(5) manpage. It might help you. > Does anyone have some idea why thi

Re: TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Veljko: > > Hello, > > I'm using mutt with all my accounts and most of them work fine. My work email > account is hosted on exchange server and I'm using mutt's built in SMTP > functionality. I have set ssl_starttls=yes and when I'm trying to send email > I'm getting error: > > "gnutls handshake

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Mark Allums: > > Upthread, another poster commented that it wouldn't ever be accepted > into Debian. This may be true, but not for the reasons given. The > MATE dev team are eliminating code duplication. They have gotten rid > of Bonobo. They are porting it to GTK 3. The dev tools for it are

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 19:43, Alex Moonshine a écrit : > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... :: mate-file

TLS negotiation in mutt

2013-10-11 Thread Veljko
Hello, I'm using mutt with all my accounts and most of them work fine. My work email account is hosted on exchange server and I'm using mutt's built in SMTP functionality. I have set ssl_starttls=yes and when I'm trying to send email I'm getting error: "gnutls handshake: the diffie-helman prime

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 19:42, Tom H a écrit : AIUI, MATE is a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK2 and Cinnamon a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK3. Will they merge at some point? Or have their interpretation and evolution of the GNOME 2 UI diverged enough for them to keep on co-existing? AFAIK, they are fork of diffe

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Allums
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > > The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't > > needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in > > place for zenity as well). > > Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regardin

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Alex Moonshine
> > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 > > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict: > > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver > resolving dependencies... > looking for inter-conflicts... > :: mate-file-archiver and file-roller are in c

Consistent mouse and scrollbar behavior in X?

2013-10-11 Thread Brian Flaherty
Hello, Clicking on scrollbars does different things with different applications. In Emacs, the following used to be standard: - left click: one screenful down - right click: one screenful up - middle click: jump to where you clicked In emacs now (emacs-24 with gtk+), the mouse scrolling is quit

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote: >> >> I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective >> viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE. > > MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, > it

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Frank McCormick
On 11/10/13 12:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19). Kernel version? Graphics and it'

Re: Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > > 1. Being on dialup, I use a purchased copy of the 10 DVD set for > installation. > My preseed.cfg is on a USB stick. I use the "Automated install" option. > Pressing allows me to specify the file location. Of course it comes to > a halt

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't > needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in > place for zenity as well). Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the dif

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-11 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Tom H writes: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: >> Florian Lindner writes: >>> >>> What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or >>> aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better >>> dependency checking. What is the current state? ap

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: > I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However > judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run > Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19). Kernel version? Graphics and it's driver? Keep in mind that we all hav

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:22 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > > > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it > > > installation? > > > > External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have > > to sleep after a

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Allums
> >> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, > >> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros > >> aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only > >> software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:05 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote: > On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > >> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, > >> it's the most worse I can imagine and likely

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Frank McCormick
On 11/10/13 12:05 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote: On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros aren't i

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Allums
> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it > > installation? > > External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have > to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This > will kill

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Conrad Nelson
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros aren't interested to add it to official repositories

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, > it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros > aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only > software I know availab

Re: apt-pinning, strange behavior

2013-10-11 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > Le 10.10.2013 23:06, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : >> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: >> >>> In the same priority range, the package which will be installed is >>> the one with the highest priority, so it is fine to have one set of >>> package with 500 ( or

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it > installation? External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This will kill those "green"

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Alex Moonshine
Off-topic On 11.10.2013 17:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only software I know available for Linu

RE: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Allums
> MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, > it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros > aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only > software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common > software.

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-11 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 11-10-13 16:49, Ezequiel schreef: > I have done a list off complains in my Oo users. I had worked out almost > all of them, but there is a really bad issue about file load speed. > > The accountant department have a set of (very) large files which are > used to calculate salaries to all employe

Problems preseeding Wheezy (7.1)

2013-10-11 Thread Richard Owlett
1. Being on dialup, I use a purchased copy of the 10 DVD set for installation. My preseed.cfg is on a USB stick. I use the "Automated install" option. Pressing allows me to specify the file location. Of course it comes to a halt saying the configuration file could not be found. Switching scree

Re: I have an Openoffice question for small business.

2013-10-11 Thread Ezequiel
I have done a list off complains in my Oo users. I had worked out almost all of them, but there is a really bad issue about file load speed. The accountant department have a set of (very) large files which are used to calculate salaries to all employees. I already told them that is suboptimal in t

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Half off-topic. On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote: > I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective > viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE. MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good, it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the rea

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:07:19 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: Hello Gregory, >Brad, I would appreciate it if you would please not put words in my >mouth! I didn't mention user space files or directories at all! What I It was not my intention to either a) put words in your mouth or b) cause offense, f

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Alex Moonshine
Still, when I was looking for something that feels like Gnome2, I was dissatisfied with my short Cinnamon experience. Too slow and bloated, doesn't resemble G2 much in fact. I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE. On 11.10.2013 16:36, Joche

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:50 +0600, MUH Jeeshan wrote: > I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in > Debian? By building the packages on your own. IOW you need to compile it on your own and take care about the dependencies from upstream. For Arch the update to 2.0.2 i

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
Jonathan Dowland: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote: >> Why cinnamon? >> Try MATE, I think it is better. >> I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE. > > Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least. And it will most probably never be. Mate needs

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote: > Why cinnamon? > Try MATE, I think it is better. > I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE. Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least. -- ..

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread 陶治江
于 2013-10-11 21:19, Jochen Spieker 写道: MUH Jeeshan: I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in Debian? Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to the Debian flavour you are using. If you are using stable with no backports, that might take

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread Jochen Spieker
MUH Jeeshan: > > I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 > in Debian? Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to the Debian flavour you are using. If you are using stable with no backports, that might take a few months or even more than a ye

Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-11 Thread MUH Jeeshan
Hi, I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in Debian? Early reply is appreciated. With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archiv

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 08:03:03PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > As someone said, if nobody else admins your box for you, you are the > sysadmin for your box. It does not belittle professional sysadmins to > acknowledge that you are doing the job any more than it belittles > professional woodworkers to

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 13:03, Joel Rees a écrit : On the converse, I think it is a crime to promise (as makers of certain popular OSses do) that you can properly use a computer or other computer-based communication device without administering or managing the computer system. It is not. I can use rapid

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Shawn Wilson
Joel Rees wrote: >On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Richard Owlett >wrote: >We're a long way from being able to build internet terminals that >people can use as simply as they use a phone, and it's quite possible >that it can't really be done. > I'm not sending this email from a phone... Nope

Re: Ethernet bonding mode 5 only using one Slave adapter.

2013-10-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/11/2013 2:42 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > [Cut]. > Are dual and quad port Intel NICs available in your country? > > Not very easily but yes, we can arrange. i personally have PCIe 4 Port > intel NIC. > so this can be arranged. I recommend Intel NICs because they simply work, every

sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Joe wrote: >> >> On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:24:57 -0500 >> Richard Owlett wrote: >> >>> >>> Being retired, I've no aspirations of being a sysadmin. >>> >> >> If you run Linux, you already are. You don't get to choose. >> > > I disagree. I may p

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-11 Thread berenger . morel
Le 11.10.2013 06:10, John W. Foster a écrit : I stripped every reference to evolution from the entire file system, Including hidden folders? Try this: $cd ~ $find -iname '*evolution*' At that point, if you found something, then you forgot hidden folders, so do $rm -r `find -iname '*evolut

Re: Typing in bar characters (accented characters?)

2013-10-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 06 October 2013 07:44:22 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 29 aug 13, 12:09:21, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 22:37:25 Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Because now I know that specifically they want to input the > > > barred characters āēīōū what would be possible methods to type

Re: apt-get vs. aptitude

2013-10-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 02:43:34PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Guys, I must disagree with that. It would mean that any linux distro > is hard to maintain, and that's wrong. Plus, sysadmin have a lot > more knowledge than simple users and power users. Yes, I think it sells real sy

Re: reinstalling Nginx & others usin apt from command line

2013-10-11 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-11, John W. Foster wrote: > installed by an application. Currently for example evolution 'hides' its > dot files somewhere other that a simple .evolution. I wanted to try to >From their FAQ (but it may be outdated): Where does Evolution store my data? Evolution stores your data in $

Re: Ethernet bonding mode 5 only using one Slave adapter.

2013-10-11 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
[Cut]. Are dual and quad port Intel NICs available in your country? Not very easily but yes, we can arrange. i personally have PCIe 4 Port intel NIC. so this can be arranged. > Before a person makes a first attempt at using the Linux bonding driver, > s/he typically thinks that it will magi