Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2022-03-05 at 14:07 +1300, Ash Joubert wrote: > On 05/03/2022 14:00, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > So I should get a passive 400W then. > > My last attempt to build a completely silent PC with a standard desktop > case and PSU failed because the passively-cooled PSU buzzed at very low > loads

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread 황병희
> Yours for a Google-free world... Well i like very much chromebook. Currently i'm using Debian 11 Bullseye under chromebook ^^^ Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _救濟蒼生_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread 황병희
> So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to > gmail? Just i did make app password (a 16-digit passcode). Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _救濟蒼生_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 14:24, Emanuel Berg wrote: Ash Joubert wrote: My last attempt to build a completely silent PC with a standard desktop case and PSU failed because the passively-cooled PSU buzzed at very low loads (idle), *exactly* when I wanted it to be silent. What about your attempt before that?

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 14:23, Emanuel Berg wrote: Not nearly as amazing as what will run on my three-year-old mid-range SDM660 Android phone: Firefox, YouTube, 3D games, Termux with Python 3.10, ssh/sftp, bash, nano, and more. If a mobile device can handle all of this, desktops have no excuse for wasting

Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread David Christensen
On 3/4/22 11:14, Marcelo Laia wrote: Hi, Monitor (screen) of my Notebook Inspiron 15 I15-5547-A20 move and click randomly without an human action. Here is a video https://youtu.be/y2RIZnx_4HY What could be? So, that computer has Intel and AMD graphics? My daily driver is a Dell Latitude E

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 14:00, Emanuel Berg wrote: So I should get a passive 400W then. My last attempt to build a completely silent PC with a standard desktop case and PSU failed because the passively-cooled PSU buzzed at very low loads (idle), *exactly* when I wanted it to be silent. Kind regards,

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 13:35, Emanuel Berg wrote: Ash Joubert wrote: My PSU is a mere 120 W, and I am a game developer, albeit targetting low poly games that will run on mobile. Amazing! Not nearly as amazing as what will run on my three-year-old mid-range SDM660 Android phone: Firefox, YouTube, 3D g

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 13:17, Stefan Monnier wrote: - Streacom FC8WS Alpha fanless case [...] - Intel i7-7700 65W CPU (Kaby Lake, HD 630 iGPU) I can only concur, Stefan "typing this on an older Streacom FC8 with a 35W CPU and an external 90W AC/DC power brick" Ooh, that soun

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread David Christensen
On 3/4/22 02:47, Ottavio Caruso wrote: One of my memory slot has died, I would retire that computer. so I am running a Thinkpad What model/ part number is the Thinkpad? What make/ model/ part number is the processor? What make/ model/ part number are the hard disk(s) and/or solid state

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Ash Joubert
On 05/03/2022 04:24, Emanuel Berg wrote: I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU [1] but how do I know how many W I need for my computer use? I think the most resource-intense I do would be compiling and watching multimedia on mpv. [2] Not sure this is going to help you, becaus

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Linux-Fan
Emanuel Berg writes: Linux-Fan wrote: > Please keep the following points in mind when doing PSU > wattage sizing for modern PCs: > > - Judging a CPU by its thermal design power is no longer > feasible due to some CPUs permanently overclocking while > the actually available cooling power per

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread dmacdoug
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 10:59:45AM -0500, Marc Auslander wrote: > Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password > authentication for apps. > > I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail. Neither, AFAIK, supports > OAUTH2. I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Linux-Fan
Henning Follmann writes: On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:36:35PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:47:14PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > Alexis Grigoriou wrote: > > > > >> I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU [...] > > motherboard, RAM and SSD are a

Re: Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread Marcelo Laia
Hi Cindy, > are you moving your cursor (pointer) around, or is that moving by itself, too? I'm moving the cursor by a usb mouse. > I'm just wondering if what's happening is somehow triggered by the mouse (or touchpad) action. I disabled touchpad, or usb mouse, and issue dont go away. I, too, ha

KODI won't start on SID

2022-03-04 Thread SDA
Hi, Since Thursday I'm having this issue on SID /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kodi/kodi.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kodi/kodi.bin: undefined symbol: +_ZN7wayland9display_t12create_queueEv Any ideas?

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Henning Follmann
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:36:35PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:47:14PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > Alexis Grigoriou wrote: > > > > >> I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU > > >> [1] but how do I know how many W I need for my computer > > >> u

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Felix Miata
Emanuel Berg composed on 2022-03-04 19:04 (UTC+0100): > OK, final word on this, "case" closed LOL :) > Thanks a lot for the help ... > Conclusion: a 300W PSU should do it! It might be just right. I've read 30% headroom is a good idea if you're starting afresh. The largest I own is a 700W, used

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Mar 2022 at 21:20:29 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 11:39:36AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > [...] > > > Yours for a Google-free world... > > +1 Please don't be silly :). -- Brain.

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, 4 March 2022 15:20:29 EST to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 11:39:36AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > [...] > > > Yours for a Google-free world... > > +1 > > Cheers > -- > t one is not enough Tomas. 10, 100, maybe even a thousand+. They exist only to sell your talk

Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Marcelo Laia wrote: > Hi, > > Monitor (screen) of my Notebook Inspiron 15 I15-5547-A20 move and click > randomly without an human action. > > Here is a video https://youtu.be/y2RIZnx_4HY > > What could be? * bad wires on the trackpad * water in the trackpad * dust in the trackpad * an exter

Re: cups problem, no response from cups

2022-03-04 Thread Brian
On Wed 02 Mar 2022 at 14:07:35 -0500, gene heskett wrote: [Snip] > drwxr-xr-x 5 root lp4096 Mar 2 13:29 . > drwxr-xr-x 126 root root 12288 Mar 2 05:41 .. > -rw--- 1 root lp 111 Feb 23 16:52 classes.conf > -rw-r- 1 root lp 111 Feb 23 16:50 classes.conf.O > -rw-r--r--

Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 4. März 2022, 20:14:34 CET schrieb Marcelo Laia: For me it looks like some weird signal to the mouse or keyboard. This can happen, either when there is hf in the near, but this can also happen, when the battery of the wireless mouse or keyboard has not much capacity. Even when the ba

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 11:39:36AM -0800, Charlie Gibbs wrote: [...] > Yours for a Google-free world... +1 Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 3/4/22, Marcelo Laia wrote: > Hi, > > Monitor (screen) of my Notebook Inspiron 15 I15-5547-A20 move and click > randomly without an human action. > > Here is a video https://youtu.be/y2RIZnx_4HY > > What could be? Hi.. I don't have an answer, it's a question, instead. To help others who will

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Fri Mar 4 11:30:12 2022 Christian Britz wrote: > On 2022-03-04 18:30 UTC+0100, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > Find another mail host. > > And you could find a mail client which correctly replies to messages. > ;-) Actually, I'm not reading this list with a mail client at all; I read its Usenet ec

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 02:39:12PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:32:24PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > Besides, as soon as you boot your browser [...] > Unless you're also running GNOME, in which case it started sweating > as soon as the display manager boot

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:32:24PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > >> But again, the GPU - if I don't play games, do I still need > > >> the W for that, as high? > > > > > > What happens if your PSU do

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:46:50PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> But again, the GPU - if I don't play games, do I still need > >> the W for that, as high? > > > > What happens if your PSU doesn't have a high enough wattage > > is that things will work fine as long as yo

Monitor (screen) move without human action

2022-03-04 Thread Marcelo Laia
Hi, Monitor (screen) of my Notebook Inspiron 15 I15-5547-A20 move and click randomly without an human action. Here is a video https://youtu.be/y2RIZnx_4HY What could be? -- Marcelo

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
On Freitag, 4. März 2022 15:04:26 -03 Emanuel Berg wrote: > OK, final word on this, "case" closed LOL :) > > Thanks a lot for the help ... > > Conclusion: a 300W PSU should do it! "might do it" If (= provided that) you can trust the manufacturer for that statement "300W PS". I tend to be wary o

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread mick crane
On 2022-03-04 15:59, Marc Auslander wrote: Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password authentication for apps. I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail. Neither, AFAIK, supports OAUTH2. I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have to. So what suggestions doe

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 06:47:14PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Alexis Grigoriou wrote: > > >> I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU > >> [1] but how do I know how many W I need for my computer > >> use? I think the most resource-intense I do would be > >> compiling and watching

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 4:58 AM Christian Britz wrote: > > On 2022-03-04 11:47 UTC+0100, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > > One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram > > only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't > > be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true?

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-04 18:30 UTC+0100, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Find another mail host. And you could find a mail client which correctly replies to messages. ;-) -- http://www.cb-fraggle.de

Re: AVOGADRO2 plugins howto

2022-03-04 Thread Francesco Pietra
Thanks a lot. I had taken another way, frustrated by avogadro, but as soon as possible l'll be back to avogadro with your suggestions On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 3:18 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > Francesco Pietra wrote: > > Yes 1.93. I read that this is also called avogadro2, but I may be wrong. > > At any e

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, March 04, 2022 11:48:41 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > But again, the GPU - if I don't play games, do I still need > > the W for that, as high? > > What happens if your PSU doesn't have a high enough wattage is that > things will work fine as long as your actual consumption is below the >

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Fri Mar 4 09:25:02 2022 Marc Auslander wrote: > Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password > authentication for apps. > > I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail. Neither, AFAIK, > supports OAUTH2. I'm also still on stretch but will update if > I have to. > > So

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 04:55:33PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Henning Follmann wrote: > > >> I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU > >> [1] but how do I know how many W I need for my computer > >> use? I think the most resource-intense I do would be > >> compiling and watching

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 10:59, Marc Auslander wrote: > So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 access to > gmail? I'm using davmail [http://davmail.sourceforge.net/] for this with Outlook exchange servers as the one I have to use has also moved to oauth2 access only. I switc

Re: Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Christian Britz
I userd getmail instead of fetchmail in the past, and a quick web search reveals that it seems to support OAUTH2: https://www.bytereef.org/howto/oauth2/getmail.html. Regards, Christian On 2022-03-04 16:59 UTC+0100, Marc Auslander wrote: > Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/p

Google smtp and pop

2022-03-04 Thread Marc Auslander
Google has now said they are pulling the plug on userid/password authentication for apps. I use fetchmail and exim4 to get and send mail. Neither, AFAIK, supports OAUTH2. I'm also still on stretch but will update if I have to. So what suggestions does anyone have for dealing with OAUTH2 acc

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Alexis Grigoriou
On Fri, 2022-03-04 at 16:24 +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU [1] > but how do I know how many W I need for my computer use? > I think the most resource-intense I do would be compiling and > watching multimedia on mpv. [2] > Cooler Master has

Re: how many W a PSU for non-gaming Debian?

2022-03-04 Thread Henning Follmann
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 04:24:40PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > I've heard that for gaming you would want a 600~800W PSU [1] > but how do I know how many W I need for my computer use? > I think the most resource-intense I do would be compiling and > watching multimedia on mpv. [2] > That depends o

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-04 16:10 UTC+0100, Hans wrote: > There are also other WM available, which may be faster, like fvwm95, openbox, > twm. amiwm ;-) -- http://www.cb-fraggle.de

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Hans
I am a great fan of my old EEEPC, beecause it is tiny and running a long time. But it is 32-bit, not fast, although I spent him 2GB fast RAM and a SSD. So I tested with several window managers. There was no number 1 winner, but IMO the fastest one was LXDE. Almsot the same speed gave me XFCE (wh

Re: AVOGADRO2 plugins howto

2022-03-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Francesco Pietra wrote: > Yes 1.93. I read that this is also called avogadro2, but I may be wrong. > At any event, the real question is how to have working plugins with the > avogadro version supplied by bullseye > thanks. Downloading plugins, and then? https://plugins.avogadro.cc/ Every plugin

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 05:56:50AM -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: [...] > I keep hearing about Xfce being "light" > > it defiantly is, but I decided to compare it to my personal favorite Mate > > Two fresh netinstalls, same machine, same SSD drive. Xfce and Mate desktops > > xfce:  774 MIB ram use

Re: AVOGADRO2 plugins howto

2022-03-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Francesco Pietra wrote: > With bullseye avogadro2 requires calling plugins to carry out simple tasks. > I was unable to install them. Howto? > > If it is a bug, or incomplete package, how to replace avogadro2 with the > old avogadro? bullseye supplies avogadro=1.93 The real question, I think, i

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Friday, 4 Mar 2022 at 05:56, Peter Ehlert wrote: > xfce:  774 MIB ram used .. 4 GIB / space used > mate:  719 MIB ram used .. 6 GIB / space used > mate*:  722 MIB ram used .. 6 GIB / space used stumpwm: 86 MB, 1.3 GB ;-) -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2

Re: AVOGADRO2 plugins howto

2022-03-04 Thread Francesco Pietra
Yes 1.93. I read that this is also called avogadro2, but I may be wrong. At any event, the real question is how to have working plugins with the avogadro version supplied by bullseye thanks. Downloading plugins, and then? fp On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Francesco Pietra wro

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 3/4/22 02:58, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-03-04 11:47 UTC+0100, Ottavio Caruso wrote: One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wron

AVOGADRO2 plugins howto

2022-03-04 Thread Francesco Pietra
With bullseye avogadro2 requires calling plugins to carry out simple tasks. I was unable to install them. Howto? If it is a bug, or incomplete package, how to replace avogadro2 with the old avogadro? thanks francesco pietra

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/04/2022 04:47 AM, Ottavio Caruso wrote: One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram I suspect the specific model of Thinkpad may be relevant. HTH only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me h

Re: Which flavour for a 2GB RAM laptop?

2022-03-04 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-04 11:47 UTC+0100, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > One of my memory slot has died, so I am running a Thinkpad with 2GB ram > only. I have been told that, even if I put a 4GB ram module in, it won't > be as fast as 2x2GB ram (true? Stop me here if I am wrong). Never mind > put an 8GB stick;

Re: Installing minimal command line system with netinst.iso

2022-03-04 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/03/2022 04:56 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 14:24:29 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: I have limited internet connectivity. I have read over the years that installing a *MINIMAL* command line system from netinst.iso [without internet is possible]. The intent to add pieces later

Re: Installing minimal command line system with netinst.iso

2022-03-04 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/03/2022 03:01 PM, Hans wrote: Am Donnerstag, 3. März 2022, 21:24:29 CET schrieb Richard Owlett: Hi Richard, I suppose you got not a hotspot from T-mobile, but an USB-stick with a GSM- card inside. Nope! It is a WiFi Hotspot intended to serve 16 WiFi connected devices. Specifically it i