* Cecil Westerhof [2021-06-16 11:44]:
> Bij apt upgrade is er iets fout gegaan. in / zie ik:
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jun 12 09:54 initrd.img ->
> boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-7-amd64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jun 12 09:54 initrd.img.old ->
> boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-6-amd64
>
> Maar ze
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Hi,
I have mounted a smb share through the convenience clicking through
of Gnome's Nautilus browser. Great! However, I cannot seem to do
anything with it from a terminal. The properties (again, from
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On 2014-01-08 04:44, Diogene Laerce wrote:
Hi,
[...] I would like to automate the installation process from
scratch to a django development platform. But forgot to
note every modification from
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On 1/30/14, Felix C. Stegerman f...@obfusk.org wrote:
On 2014-01-29 10:43, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
And then: $ cd ~/bar rm `find -name '.*'`
Find is indeed very useful, but that's
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Le 26.01.2014 15:26, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
I am wanting to use the CLI to copy some files from dirA to dirB.
I want to exclude all hidden files. Will this command achieve
it? :--
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I am wanting to use the CLI to copy some files from dirA to dirB.
I want to exclude all hidden files. Will this command achieve it?
:--
cp -Rp /path/to/sourcedir/A/* /path/to/destinationdir/B
Not quite.
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* Felix C. Stegerman wrote on 2014-01-26 at 15:49 (+0100):
On 2014-01-26 15:26, Lisi Reisz wrote:
I am wanting to use the CLI to copy some files from dirA to
dirB. I want to exclude all hidden files
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* Mr Smiley wrote on 2014-01-26 at 20:56 (+):
cp -Rp /path/to/sourcedir/A/* /path/to/destinationdir/B
If you don't put a / after B it will copy all files to a file
called B
No, obviously not.
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* Felix C. Stegerman wrote on 2014-01-26 at 23:58 (+0100):
On 2014-01-26 23:24, Mathias Bauer wrote:
* Mr Smiley wrote on 2014-01-26 at 20:56 (+):
cp -Rp /path/to/sourcedir/A/* /path
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On 2014-01-20 15:03, Julian Gilbey wrote:
I've just installed Debian jessie (testing) on a MacBook Pro and
it's doing my head in :-( I wonder if anyone has any ideas that
might help me
I'm using XFCE4 as my window manager, if that makes
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Hi,
[...] I would like to automate the installation process from
scratch to a django development platform. But forgot to note
every modification from the very beginning. ^^ :)
I'm not sure what you
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On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:41:30 +0100 Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Wed, 2014-01-08 at 17:34 +0200, Alex S. wrote:
Perhaps you like a Qt based web browser
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On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:24:38 +0100 Felix C. Stegerman
f...@obfusk.org wrote:
It sounds like you're using a 32-bit firefox. If you download
the .tar from the mozilla website (and are not using some apt
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On 2014-01-07 20:16, Pol Hallen wrote:
Hi all! I've a strange problem: debian stable with mate desktop:
with only stable sources list I don't have any upgrade to do, I
added testing repository like it:
/etc/apt/sources.list
# STABLE deb
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Le 06/01/2014 12:21, Selim T. Erdogan a écrit :
Erwan David, 6.01.2014:
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:56:35AM CET, François Patte
francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr said:
Le 06/01/2014 11:30, Erwan
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On Sat, 2014-01-04 at 01:21 +0600, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote:
Hi, I have installed Tor on Debian 7 but couldn't use it.
Viladia is showing the following errors: /*[Warning] Could not
bind to
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On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote:
The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to
installed.
i.e., if you are
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sid, xfce
Because I just have a blank screen as my lock screen,
un-hibernating just continues to show my blank screen.
It would be nice if the unlock password dialog appeared
automatically.
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[...] I would like to automate the installation process from
scratch to a django development platform. But forgot to note every
modification from the very beginning. ^^ :)
I'm not sure what you mean by
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On 2014-01-07 01:22, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
On 2014-01-06 05:28:54 -0600, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
Actually, after looking at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734256, what you
could do is to remove apt-listbugs, install ruby1.9.1,
another window manager that is.
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* Magnus Therning [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-17 01:24]:
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 21:50:39 +0200, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
[..]
%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
should do ... as they have in ubuntu
What about group `wheel' ?
Historically in UNIX the group wheel has GID 0, in Debian that's
* Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-17 06:11]:
On 17/06/06, Felix C. Stegerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Debian BTS != bugzilla. ;-)
Acknowledged. Realized that the difference is more than subtle!
Actually, it is *very* wrong to call Debian BTS bugzilla!
Thanks for the tip.
Debian's
(obviously or would not post).
This works for me:
/dev/sda2 /media/usbkey ext2 ro,user,noauto 0 0
Of course, my usb key is partitioned, so you may need to use /dev/sda
if yours is not.
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remotely. I think I got the idea from the Securing Debian Manual.
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* loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-16 05:51]:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373856
Thanks. I really don't know why I didn't check for existing
bugreports.
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* Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-16 10:11]:
Here's the bugzilla report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373856
Debian BTS != bugzilla. ;-)
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it
manually you should probably use vipw to do it.
right again :-)
vipw. Interesting.
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what could be the problem?
No. But I do get the same error.
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* Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-15 00:49]:
try apt-get moo
then aptitude moo
then aptitude moo -v
then aptitude moo -vv
and so on
Now that was funny!
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I need my printers... :(
...
Have you tried purging all CUPS packages and reconfiguring all
printers? That worked for me.
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* Eike Lantzsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 00:08]:
On Sunday 11 June 2006 17:42, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
* Kenward Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-11 13:16]:
Just to pass this titillating piece of info along if the earlier
posts aren't enough... I have submitted a bug report
* Kenward Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-11 18:34]:
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 11:42:19PM +0200, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
* Kenward Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-11 13:16]:
Just to pass this titillating piece of info along if the earlier
posts aren't enough... I have submitted
me what's up, or down?
On May 12th, the testing security archive moved:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg6.html
It is odd, however, that http://secure-testing-master.debian.net is
unreachable as well.
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connected through a KVM as a second screen.
I'm just mirroring the laptop's screen to the CRT, but everything
works fine. I'd imagine merging would work OK too.
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* Kenward Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 04:22]:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:07:46AM +0200, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
* Eike Lantzsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 00:08]:
On Sunday 11 June 2006 17:42, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
* Kenward Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-11 13:16
* s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-09 04:25]:
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Am 2006-05-26 19:08:47, schrieb Felix C. Stegerman:
So it comes down to:
* Is it a bad idea to use unstable on a production server when it
comes to security?
YES
I would agree
* Johannes Zellner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-09 23:14]:
is it possible to unplug / plug an usb mouse w/o restarting the
x server (and the mouse recognized again by X11 if it's plugged
in)?
Yes. I just did so to verify it ;-) (using Xorg 7.0)
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* Johannes Wiedersich [2006-06-01 17:53]:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
Do you know what would be the best way to make sure I don't miss any
of those updates? If I backport e.g. mysql from unstable/testing,
will I be able to rely on security announcements to debian-security,
or do I need
* Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-01 16:33]:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I'm running unstable on my desktop (well, actually a laptop), so I'm
accustomed to the occasional breakage and could probably live with it.
I'm just reluctant to use unstable on a production server
and
backport anything that you really need (which should be very
little).
As I replied to Johannes Wiedersich (in another thread), I've decided
to go with stable and do some backports myself.
Many thanks for your insights.
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* John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-04 18:34]:
Felix C. Stegerman writes:
I'll stick with stable and backport mysql, vim and the kernel
myself.
First check backports.org. Someone probably has already done it
(and there are 2.6 kernels in Stable).
backports.org has mysql-server 5.0
it's easy
to install one of the newer kernels (even a self-compiled one) on
sarge though, since it may depend on newer versions of e.g. yaird.
Thanks anyway.
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started),
and decided to go with stable instead. But it's nice to know that
unstable can be used with very little problem.
Next time, please reply on-list, and don't top-post.
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' and
security. If reliability is important, I would rather stick to stable,
but YMMV.
I'm more concerned about security than reliability. I can handle
occasional downtime if something breaks, but I'd rather avoid my
system being compromised.
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* George Borisov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-01 11:39]:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I'm about to install sarge on a (production) server of my own, and
would rather like to have the latest versions of:
* mysql (5.0)
* vim (7.0)
* the Linux kernel (2.6.16) [ppc]
The latter
* Roberto C. Sanchez [2006-06-01 14:59]:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I've thought about using unstable (see an earlier thread I
started), and decided to go with stable instead. But it's nice to
know that unstable can be used with very little problem.
In general, there are not too
everything in. I think the only
problem would be udev, but I may be wrong
You're probably right ;-) So the question is whether udev is easy to
backport to sarge, or whether it will cause problems.
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(have to) work with. So as long as it stays secure I
can handle even occasional downtime to sort things out.
Do you think that security support for unstable is good enough for
this? Or should I just go with stable + backports?
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some
debian-unstable-induced breakage to keep it secure?
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caveats I should be aware of?
If you want a stable Debian, but need something more up-to-date,
Ubuntu 2005.10 might be what you want.
I definitely prefer to stick with Debian so I'll go with sarge.
Thanks anyway.
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carefully than you otherwise would.
I figured as much. I just wanted to check whether I was paranoid
enough, or too paranoid ;-)
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to this list and
hanging out on technology savy irc channels :-)
Information does go through with osmosis sometimes :-)
I figured as much. I just wanted to check whether I was paranoid
enough, or too paranoid ;-)
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Thanks.
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-heavy.
I use exim4-deamon-light, but I had a similar problem a while ago. I
solved it by adding
primary_hostname = my.host.name
to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template.
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when it
comes to security?
* If so, would you recommend using testing, or stable?
* And does anyone with experience running unstable on production
servers know of any other caveats I should be aware of?
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Any sufficiently
with dpkg on her ubuntu box. So
my question is simply to know if installing a debian kernel package
on ubuntu is feasible or if it will lead to problems ?
I've done exactly that once or twice without any problems. Of course
YMMV.
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Any
vim from now on.
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* Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-29 23:05]:
I strongly suspect that my screen resolution is lower than it should
be: everything appears very big.
Is there a way to check up the real performed resolution?
Try
$ xrandr
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/modules.
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On 2006-04-26 16:41:47, Michael M. wrote:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
Since I use openbox + perlpanel + my_own_session_manager,
I just source my .bashrc in my .xinitrc.
Sorry, Felix, could you explain what you mean my my own session
manager? You mean something other than gdm, kdm, xdm
its own stuff. (like
~/.gnomrc or ~/.kde/env/*)
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On 2006-04-26 16:06:20, John Stumbles wrote:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I personally use .xsession / .xinitrc to start a custom X session and
add ~/bin to my $PATH in there.
To do the same with GNOME, you can edit ~/.gnomerc.
To do the same with KDE, you can create a new executable file
/ .xinitrc, especially
since KDE and GNOME don't seem to document this.
Since I use openbox + perlpanel + my_own_session_manager,
I just source my .bashrc in my .xinitrc.
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, but aptitude has a log file in
/var/log/aptitude.
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On 2006-01-21 12:12:29, G-Point wrote:
Hello,
i have gmail, and i would like to know from you which would be the best
programs under linux to read mailing lists.
thanks
I prefer (and use) mutt.
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Any sufficiently advanced bug
and adjust the network settings
accordingly.
With my setup, it looks for ip 192.168.1.1 (my router at home) and
if it is found uses ip 192.168.1.104. Otherwise it uses DHCP
(at university).
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900 http://ftp.nl.debian.org sid/main Packages
890 http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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On 2005-12-22 15:07:50, Gerwin Bruner wrote:
The only thing which is not working is to get nlockmgr onto port 4001.
Is there any way to change the port? What did I miss out?
I think I successfully used sysctl for this once.
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try to use OO.org 2.0 from unstable, but I suppose
you're using stable for a reason. Maybe a backport will be available
in the near future ...
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configuration and recompiled. Now I have a lot of modules I don't
need, but I prefer to have a (close to) standard kernel.
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. Is there an additional package (font or
otherwise) that I need to install to support this?
I get the same result (abiword-gnome 2.4.1-2 from unstable).
I never noticed this before, but then again I haven't used a word
processor in years (since I prefer good old plain text) ;-)
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On 2005-11-06 12:01:43, Andy Gower wrote:
Hi there,
I am using abiword-gnome 2.4.1-2 on Debian Testing and am trying to
save a ABW document as a PDF file. The ABW document has items in
italicized font. For some reason when I view
to subscribe to the debian-powerpc mailing list.
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still boot.
What is the problem?
Probably the initrd.
Try
# make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version -jp --revision 01
--initrd kernel_image
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mini, would you ?
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Sorry about that.
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On 2005-11-02 21:37:58, salahuddin pasha wrote:
i want that my gdm would use theme clearlooks (always)
how i can do that.
In /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, find the [gui] section and add (or modify)
GtkTheme=themename
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Can someone help me to get this working?
Regards Neil.
It should work if you use:
$ javac app.java
Instead of calling jikes manually, and
$ java app
Instead of supplying the .class suffix.
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Hi,
You could use -P to force a prompt and use
# echo n | aptitude -P -s command
to simulate command and say no, e.g.
# echo n | aptitude -P -s upgrade
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really thought it was a software issue at first.
I only discovered the real cause by accident ...
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/howto's or
suggestions on how to securely serve files to Windows hosts (w/
Samba?) are welcome as well.
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Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
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What's worse is that as of recently I can't use
my headphones any more.
I've tried every alsamixer setting I could think of,
but still no sound.
snip
I'd especially like to know whether my card is faulty or whether
ALSA is causing the problem.
Just to let you know, I
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BTW, from your 'explaining' what KDE Gnome are, I got the impression
you thought I'm new to Debian ( GNU/Linux). I'm not. I'v been happily
running unstable for almost 2 years now.
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Jacob S. wrote:
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Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I've recently acquired a 2nd hand PC I want to use as replacement
for our (windows 98) family PC.
That means my mother, stepfather and little sister (5 years old)
will (have to be able
would you recommend? And, of course, why?
Any tips, security-related etc. , are also welcome.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Felix
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Thanks in advance.
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Uh huh. So?
I'd double the RAM and give them a CD/DVD or whatever.
I accidentally hit the 'send' button instead of the 'save as draft'
button, which lead to an incomplete email.
The full email will follow shortly.
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whether my card is faulty or whether
ALSA is causing the problem.
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It'd be nice if someone could shed some light on this.
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Stefano Rivoir wrote:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I realise this is probably not Debian-specific,
but I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out anyway.
[...]
It's a known problem, both in early -bk and in -mm1. Either wait for
-mm2 or look for the right fix, it's been around in the lkml
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
Stefano Rivoir wrote:
Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I realise this is probably not Debian-specific,
but I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out anyway.
[...]
It's a known problem, both in early -bk and in -mm1. Either wait for
-mm2 or look for the right fix, it's
Anthony Campbell wrote:
On 22 Jun 2004, Felix C. Stegerman wrote:
I realise this is probably not Debian-specific,
but I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out anyway.
[...]
I found the clock was fast (though not as fast as that) with kernel
2.6.6. It also was very difficult to regulate
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