Re: Back up routines

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:19:36PM -0400, Scott Gifford wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > [snip] > > Perfectly true in theory, but in practice very few small businesses > and nonprofits I'm worked with do this. If an organization is large > enough that there is an IT person to assign this responsi

Re: Back up routines

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 06:48:17PM +0100, AG wrote: > Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home > directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through > pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of > options and certainly

Re: Back up routines

On Tuesday 28 July 2009 05:35:20 Jon Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:51:31PM +0200, Johan Grönqvist > > wrote: > > The homepage also > > mentions some graphical front ends that may be useful, but > > I have not tried any of them. > > I am in the process

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I haven't had a chance to try it out but http://www.boxbackup.org/ looks like a pretty cool solution. --Ben On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I trust Amazon more than a HD.  You're free not to, but I've seen more >> HDs fail than I have Amazons. > > I'm not sure the HD's r

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> I trust Amazon more than a HD. You're free not to, but I've seen more > HDs fail than I have Amazons. I'm not sure the HD's reliability is much of an issue: you wouldn't want to backup to a single drive which you bring back home at night, otherwise, during the day you're at the mercy of a big a

Re: Back up routines

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:08:24 -0400 Eric Gerlach wrote: Hello Eric, > 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it; Ron's already pointed out that, at the drop of a hat, Amazon can just delete your account. If relying on one 3rd party for backups you should worry. Probably a lot. For example,

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> > > > Original Message >From: ron.l.john...@cox.net >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Back up routines >Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0500 > >>On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500

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John Magolske wrote: > I've been trying to decide between dirvish & rdiff-backup. I read > something [1] arguing in favor of dirvish, citing it's advantage of > having images that are complete file systems. But dirvish does use > hard links, so the issue of such a backup not being exactly 1:1 gives

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* Jon Dowland [090728 06:42]: > From my experience, I would discount anything which relies > on hard link trees. That means a lot of rsync-based > solutions, including rsnapshot. Apart from not being a 1:1 > backup (you lose hard links!), the filesystem metadata > storage explodes for any reasonab

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Ron Johnson writes: > On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > [snip] >> Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the >> client brings >> the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them >> why that isn't worth the $3/mo that that Amazon charges the

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On 2009-07-28 11:07, Eric Gerlach wrote: [snip] (client doesn't even have to *think* about it) That's the part that really pisses me off: willful ignorance. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

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I am toying with livedrive which is an ecomomical storage site. It caters to the windows crowd but, partly at my nagging, set up ftp access. I now nag them for rsync :-) The problem with ALL of these is upload speeds. The large backup needs the rockest solidest connection to simply get done. Cu

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Dowland wrote: > any reasonable frequency of backup. I currently use > rdiff-snapshot. I personally think there is still a lot of > space for new solutions (yet to see a good git-based one) s/rdiff-snapshot/rdiff-backup Johannes -BEGI

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:17:04AM -0400, Jeff Soules wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric > > 1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program, then take > > it > > home at night; or > > > > 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it; > > > > and I bet over 80% of them

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 -0400, Eric Gerlach wrote: > Sure, your grandfather did it, but give any small-business owner > these two choices: > 1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program, > then take it home at night; or > 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;

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On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: [snip] Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric Gerlach wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> My granfather and his accountant were alternately bringing home 13" >> disk packs 30 years ago.  They've obviously got newer hardware now >> (tape drives), and he's passed on,

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > [snip] > > > >Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings > >the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them > >why that isn't wort

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On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: [snip] Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them why that isn't worth the $3/mo that that Amazon charges them. You won't be getting paid for t

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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:21:21AM -0400, Scott Gifford wrote: > Paul E Condon writes: > > > On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > [...] > >> Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download. > > [...] > > > Renting is easier, but I wonder how long the web based

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As noted by others, you will receive many different recommendations for pieces of software. IIWY, I'd ask the following questions a) how easy/reliable is performing a *restore*? not how easy is it to perform the backup. This ancient website was originally setup as a marketing tool for a pro

Re: Back up routines

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:51:31PM +0200, Johan Grönqvist wrote: > The homepage also > mentions some graphical front ends that may be useful, but > I have not tried any of them. I am in the process of packaging "archfs", a FUSE-powered user filesystem tool that pr

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On 2009-07-28 01:21, Scott Gifford wrote: Paul E Condon writes: On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: [...] Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download. A 1TB HDD from NewEgg is $0.085/GB once, and you own it, and $0.00/GB to upload/download. 2TB drives

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Paul E Condon writes: > On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: [...] >> Oh, and S3 storage is cheap. $0.15/GB/mo, plus $0.10/GB upload/download. [...] > Renting is easier, but I wonder how long the web based services will > be in business. S3 is run by Amazon, and Amazon has been around

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On 2009-07-28 00:59, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] I was in a local computer store near Boulder, CO a few days ago. They are selling IDE disk drives, any size, for $0.25/GB. SATA are even What insane world do we live in where $0.25/GB is considered 3x too expensive? -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doo

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On 2009-07-27_17:55:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 > > AG wrote: > > > > Hello AG, > > > > > Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine > > > that is safe for dummies (i.e. me)

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On 2009-07-27 16:55, Eric Gerlach wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 AG wrote: Hello AG, Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can

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On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 > AG wrote: > > Hello AG, > > > Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine > > that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can > > just leave to run acco

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Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-27 01:40, AG wrote: [snip] Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and make a decision. If it would be useful, I'm happy to post back once I've done so and experimen

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On Monday 27 July 2009 09:59:15 Girish Kulkarni wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, AG wrote: > > Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The > > next step for me is to take each one and do some further research > > and make a decision. > > Nobody mentioned Unison? I've been usi

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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, AG wrote: Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and make a decision. Nobody mentioned Unison? I've been using it for backups for last two years. It is well-documented and simp

Re: Back up routines

On 2009-07-27 01:40, AG wrote: [snip] Thanks for the many suggestions of applications and approaches. The next step for me is to take each one and do some further research and make a decision. If it would be useful, I'm happy to post back once I've done so and experimented with some test d

Re: Back up routines

AG wrote: Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a catastrophic HDD-failur

Re: Back up routines

> > > > Original Message >From: g...@slsware.com >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Back up routines >Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:01:00 -0600 > >>On 7/26/09 11:48 AM, AG wrote: >> >>> Generally I have relied on the separate partit

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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:51:31 +0200 Johan Grönqvist wrote: > Hi, > > AG skrev: > > Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that > > is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just > > leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? I

Re: Back up routines

On 2009-07-26 12:48, AG wrote: Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a cat

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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:50 +0100 AG wrote: Hello AG, > Thanks for your thoughts. You're welcome. > I am a home user with a small 3 workstation LAN. The IDE HDD that I Pretty much the same here. There's several years worth of family history data I'd rather not lose, hence my back up strate

Re: Back up routines

Hello List Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, AG wrote: Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and cert

Re: Back up routines

Brad Rogers wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 AG wrote: Hello AG, Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It would be b

Re: Back up routines

On 7/26/09 11:48 AM, AG wrote: Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a cata

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AG wrote: > recommendations for a backup routine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_backup_software Or, roll your own with rsync, tar/gzip, etc., and your scripting language of choice (I use Perl). HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

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Hi, AG skrev: Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It would be backing up to my former IDE HDD (now in an enclosure) via an USB.

Re: Back up routines

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, AG wrote: Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a ca

Re: Back up routines

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:48:17 +0100 AG wrote: Hello AG, > Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine > that is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can > just leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week? It > would be backing up to my f

Back up routines

Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of options and certainly won't help in the case of a catastrophic HDD-failure. Thus, c