On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since its
not 'policy', its not something that is required. There is the obvious
situation where DD have real lives and can not respond to every user,
Apparently policy
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:30:29AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since its
not 'policy', its not something that is required. There is the obvious
situation where DD have
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:30:29 -0400, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since
its not 'policy', its not something that is required. There is the
obvious situation
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:44:58 -0400, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:30:29AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
more likely to give better reports if asked by a nice dd. But since
its not 'policy', its not
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Nate Bargmann wrote:
keeling:
Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any
bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat.
How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
found. Huh? What
Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE. fyi.
Yup. And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords. ;-)
Ah geez. You made me laugh. I even considered typing LOL ... Crap!
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Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is
whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a
goal.
I'm satisfied to leave that up to the individual. It's none of my
business. Caveat emptor
s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:28:38AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:44:58 -0400, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:30:29AM -0400, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:12:02PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
more likely to give
Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE. fyi.
Yup. And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords. ;-)
Ah geez. You made me laugh. I even considered typing LOL ... Crap!
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Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Nate Bargmann wrote:
keeling:
Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any
bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat.
How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
found. Huh? What
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is
whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a
goal.
I'm satisfied to leave that up to the individual. It's none of my
business. Caveat emptor
s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 10:25:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:30:29 -0400, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Apparently policy does not list requirements but best practices. IOW
policy is not (supposed to be(?)) used to enforce behaviour.
No,
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I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion.
I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian,
though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take
this as a complaint from
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
... (what' s a GF?) ...
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better
before Debian came along )
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Kent West wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
... (what' s a GF?) ...
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better
before Debian came along )
The concept is not hazy, but the practice is. I don't understand
THEM much at all.
But, as I advised my son, I don't try too
Kent West wrote:
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better
before Debian came along )
...that lives in another town and can't come to dance (prom, graduation,
party) because she always seems to get sick or help her parents. :D
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On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
Kent West wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
... (what' s a GF?) ...
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends
better before Debian came along )
The concept is not hazy, but the practice is. I don't understand
THEM much
David Brodbeck wrote:
On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
Kent West wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
... (what' s a GF?) ...
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better
before Debian came along )
The concept is not hazy, but the practice is. I
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David Brodbeck wrote:
On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Mike McCarty wrote:
Kent West wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
... (what' s a GF?) ...
Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:18:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:50:47AM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
Steve Sackville-Jones??
No, Andrew Steve
Andrew Stevenson
Steve Andrews
Ann Drew
:))
Doug.
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Am 2007-09-25 10:11:36, schrieb Mike Bird:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
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Am 2007-09-25 12:36:11, schrieb Mike McCarty:
I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
perceived lack of help, a user is leaving (or at least
it seems to me that she will).
You have not ask for helb but wining
At the time the problems were first reported, details were provided.
Am 2007-09-25 14:21:35, schrieb Hal Vaughan:
That's an interesting point: We hear a description of someone that
basically wants, for free, everything people pay hundreds of dollars
for. Sometimes it's easy to forget that open source software companies
often give away the software but make
Am 2007-09-25 20:33:33, schrieb Martin Marcher:
Hello,
I'm interested in the job offer you posted on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have several years of experience in
Desktop and Server systems with debian and other linux distributions.
I charge by the hour, every started hour is normally EUR 50.
* s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event.
We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find
Nate Bargmann wrote:
Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any
bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat.
How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
found. Huh? What address did you submit them from?
H, methinks
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 06:39:37AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
Yup. And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords. ;-)
In soviet russia, debian volunteers you!
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* s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE. fyi.
Yup. And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords. ;-)
Ah geez. You made me laugh. I even considered typing LOL ... Crap!
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Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Nate Bargmann wrote:
keeling:
Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads. Can't see any
bug reports. Guess it's off to the BTS to search there. Drat.
How 'bout that? Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
found. Huh? What
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is
whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a
goal.
I'm satisfied to leave that up to the individual. It's none of my
business. Caveat emptor
s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:50:47AM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
s/Jones/West/g
You gotta change your name to Steve.
Steve Sackville-Jones??
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I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion.
I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian,
though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take
this as a complaint from me, as it isn't. I'm simply informing
the Debian forum of a situation.
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
--Mike Bird
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Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
perceived lack of help, a user is leaving (or at least
it seems to me that
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 12:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
perceived
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Mike McCarty wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
perceived lack of
Mike McCarty wrote:
I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian
is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived
lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do
support for Debian. I have gently nudged her in the direction of
sticking with it a
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:36:11PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
(big snip)
Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you.
I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to
perceived
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Joe wrote:
Mike McCarty wrote:
I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian
is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived
lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do
support for Debian. I have gently nudged
Mark Phillips writes:
If you want a telephone number, and (almost) instant gratification, then
your GF should use Windows.
No, she should contract for paid support for Debian. It is available.
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I'm interested in the job offer you posted on
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I charge by the hour, every started hour is normally EUR 50. Contact
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I also do
On: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:21 PM Hal Said:
There are always those who want everything and won't be happy no matter
what they get. Oddly enough, I find a lot of people complain more
about something they get for free than something they pay for.
I've only had one item I've ever identified
Mike McCarty wrote:
I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian
is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived
lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do
support for Debian.
The real problem here is that Linux is losing a user to
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On 09/25/07 11:55, Mike McCarty wrote:
I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion.
I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian,
though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take
this as a
Mark Phillips wrote:
Mike, you have to realize that support is provided by volunteers who
have lives (families, children, jobs, little league, etc.) outside of
supporting the software. There is no guarentee of any support when you
install Debian. But it is there. You have to learn how to ask,
Hal Vaughan wrote:
[...]
On the other hand, I did not see a statement in your original letter
that said she (or you) actually asked for help on a mailing list or
similar forum.
Every problem she's had has been reported here with details as well.
just before this one, I seriously doubt
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event.
We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess
some of us would appreciate your posting links to the previous
problems you discussed. And if you don't find
Martin Marcher wrote:
Why is it that simple statments, preceded by disclaimers
indicating that they are not complaints, get treated as
complaints?
Hello,
I'm interested in the job offer you posted on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have several years of experience in
Desktop and Server systems with
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event.
We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess
some of us would appreciate your posting links to the previous
problems you discussed. And
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Mike McCarty wrote:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event.
We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess
some of us would appreciate your
Mike writes:
I provide this information only as an indicator of where there might be
an opportunity to win more Windows users and lose fewer.
I don't see that you provided any useful information.
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Mike McCarty wrote:
So, please don't take
this as a complaint from me, as it isn't. I'm simply informing
the Debian forum of a situation.
Wow. Mike takes the time to offer a common courtesy of informing the
Debian community of how it's being perceived by Jane Average Girlfriend,
and the
John Hasler wrote:
I tried to reply off-list, but the email bounced.
Mike writes:
I provide this information only as an indicator of where there might be
an opportunity to win more Windows users and lose fewer.
I don't see that you provided any useful information.
Then it wasn't directed
Kent West wrote:
Like he said, he's not complaining, or asking for help, or asking for
information; he's just saying that we have room for improvement.
Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this
room for improvement. A lot of projects and products spend a lot of
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow. Mike takes the time to offer a common courtesy of informing the
Debian community of how it's being perceived by Jane Average Girlfriend,
and the community jumps all over him about various aspects.
Why was it courteous?
Despite the polite tone, it
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Mike McCarty shared this with us all:
--} Anyway, that's it, FWIW.
--}
As interesting as this appears Mike, it again shows the main difference
between operating systems that supply everything a user requires, and one
that supplies everything, but the user has to be willing
Mike writes:
There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux to be a viable
alternative to Windows for more users. It was directed at those people.
You told us that some unnamed person had unidentified problems which they
reported in some unknown way with reportedly unsatisfactory
John Hasler wrote:
Mike writes:
There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux to be a viable
alternative to Windows for more users. It was directed at those people.
You told us that some unnamed person had unidentified problems which they
reported in some unknown way with
Mike writes:
Once again, mail to you has bounced.
??
If you read here regularly, then you would have seen the reports,
I most likely did. So what? How am I to know which of the innumerable
reports posted here you refer to?
My only point was this: She's leaving Debian because she perceives
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Mark Phillips wrote:
Mike, you have to realize that support is provided by volunteers who
have lives (families, children, jobs, little league, etc.) outside of
supporting the software. There is no guarentee of any support when you
install Debian. But it
s. keeling wrote:
[snip]
fwiw, I've found a really good place to ask difficult questions is in
debian-mentors.
Thanks for the pointer. If I can convince her not to wipe
Debian from the disc, I think I'll subscribe there as well.
I don't have much hopes on that point, however.
Mike
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Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Mike Bird wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote:
I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event.
We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess
some of us would appreciate your posting links to
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Martin Marcher wrote:
Why is it that simple statments, preceded by disclaimers
indicating that they are not complaints, get treated as
complaints?
Hello,
I'm interested in the job offer you posted on
Sarcasm is unbecoming, especially since I
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Hasler wrote:
I don't see that you provided any useful information.
Then it wasn't directed at you.
There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux
to be a viable alternative to Windows for more users. It was
directed at those
Roger B.A. Klorese [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Kent West wrote:
Like he said, he's not complaining, or asking for help, or asking for
information; he's just saying that we have room for improvement.
Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this
room for improvement. A
cothrige wrote:
After walking in from a day of my kids' soccer matches I noticed this
thread and feel I really must post a comment. I may be very late to
It seems like just one of those things, doesn't it :-)
[snip]
which posts or questions were those being talked about here. Really,
Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this
room for improvement. A lot of projects and products spend a lot of
time working on non-goals; the question at hand is whether adoption by
the level of user in question is or is not a goal.
I'm
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 11:55:26AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion.
I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian,
though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take
this as a complaint from me, as it
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:17:05PM -0500, cothrige wrote:
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
I believe that is what the poster above was saying, and most likely you
understood him as being defensive or confrontational. I really don't
think the people here are trying to be in any
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