On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:15:02 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Don't confuse GNU and GNOME. HINT: What does GIMP stand for?
>
> GNOME Image Manipulation Package?
Oh come on man! Stop with the silly FUD... It doesn't become anyone here...
The GIMP has been around a long long time.
GIMP:
http
Zenaan Harkness writes:
> GNOME Image Manipulation Package?
GNU Image Manipulation Program. It a bit funny but not strange that
The Gimp is developed under the banner of the GNOME project: GNOME was
created AFTER The Gimp was re-written using GTK (GIMP Tool Kit),
providing the uniform look requir
On 8/11/14, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 01:23:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:35:54 -0400
>> Tom H wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Olav Vitters, a Gnome guy who always argues on behalf of Gnome/systemd
>> > on debian-devel@ (I don't think that he's involved in Debia
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 01:23:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:35:54 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>
>
> > Olav Vitters, a Gnome guy who always argues on behalf of Gnome/systemd
> > on debian-devel@ (I don't think that he's involved in Debian in any
> > other way), has said on his b
Le 10/08/2014 19:23, Steve Litt a écrit :
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:35:54 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>
>
>> Olav Vitters, a Gnome guy who always argues on behalf of Gnome/systemd
>> on debian-devel@ (I don't think that he's involved in Debian in any
>> other way), has said on his blog "it seems eventuall
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 06:35:54 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> Olav Vitters, a Gnome guy who always argues on behalf of Gnome/systemd
> on debian-devel@ (I don't think that he's involved in Debian in any
> other way), has said on his blog "it seems eventually GNOME will head
> to be systemd and Linux-only"
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe the point was that it should be "make before break". They
>>> should have allowed people to use systemd without preventing people
>>> from not using it. They didn't make a new system without br
Tom H wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > I believe the point was that it should be "make before break". They
> > should have allowed people to use systemd without preventing people
> > from not using it. They didn't make a new system without breaking the
> > old one. They broke the old one while try
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:23:31 +0200 Sven Hartge
napísal:
> Slavko wrote:
>
> > Please, how i can get the records from previous boot?
>
> Edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf and set "Storage=persistent"
>
Thanks for pointing. It works :)
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On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> Joel Rees wrote:
>>>
>>> This is precisely why systemd should have been brought up to speed in
>>> a separate, parallel, volunteer-only distro.
>>>
>>> (If you don't understand what I mean by a separate, parallel,
>>> vo
Slavko wrote:
> Please, how i can get the records from previous boot?
Edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf and set "Storage=persistent"
Debians default (currently) is to just store the journal in memory which
is obviously lost in reboot.
Grüße,
Sven.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:22:33 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
napísal:
> On Vi, 08 aug 14, 20:51:14, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 22:52:36 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Vi, 08 aug 14, 10:34:24, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little
On Vi, 08 aug 14, 20:51:14, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 22:52:36 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Vi, 08 aug 14, 10:34:24, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > > 2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little happens before the
> > >filesystem comes up, anyway.
> >
> > It's "only" abo
On 8/8/2014 9:53 PM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:50:14 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Seventh, there's 40 years of experience with text logs. Are they
> > perfect? No.
>
> The thread that doesn't die --- misinformation all over the place, and some it
> that my misinformation -- sorry 'b
On 8/8/2014 9:53 PM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:50:14 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Seventh, there's 40 years of experience with text logs. Are they
> > perfect? No.
>
> The thread that doesn't die --- misinformation all over the place, and some it
> that my misinformation -- sorry 'b
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:50:14 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> Seventh, there's 40 years of experience with text logs. Are they
> perfect? No.
The thread that doesn't die --- misinformation all over the place, and some it
that my misinformation -- sorry 'bout that.
Anyway, I feel prodded, so rebuttal.
Steve Litt wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> > > 2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little happens before the
> > >filesystem comes up, anyway.
> >
> > It's "only" about 750 lines on my laptop...
>
> How'd you count the lines? Did you use a laptop as a serial console o
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 22:52:36 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 08 aug 14, 10:34:24, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > 2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little happens before the
> >filesystem comes up, anyway.
>
> It's "only" about 750 lines on my laptop...
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
How'd
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:38:55 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Nope. First of all, messages are NOT relational, unless you are
> calling the source of the message and the text of the message
> relational.
>
> Second, there is significant additional overhead when inserting into a
> SQL database vs
On 8/8/2014 4:16 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:38:55 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Nope. First of all, messages are NOT relational, unless you are
>> calling the source of the message and the text of the message
>> relational.
>>
>> Second, there is significant additional ove
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Joel Rees wrote:
> > This is precisely why systemd should have been brought up to speed in
> > a separate, parallel, volunteer-only distro.
> >
> > (If you don't understand what I mean by a separate, parallel,
> > volunteer-only distribution, think of kfreebsd, but a little
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:38:55 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> Nope. First of all, messages are NOT relational, unless you are
> calling the source of the message and the text of the message
> relational.
>
> Second, there is significant additional overhead when inserting into a
> SQL database v
On Vi, 08 aug 14, 10:34:24, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> 2) Write it to the screen. Relatively little happens before the
>filesystem comes up, anyway.
It's "only" about 750 lines on my laptop...
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Fourth, the same data in a SQL file takes up more space than in a text file.
>
> Fifth, log files can easily be rotated in a text file; it is much harder
> with a SQL database.
Also text files compress well by compressing a large block of text all
at once. It is efficient
On 8/8/2014 12:18 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/8/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 8/7/2014 8:28 PM, AW wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900
>>> Joel Rees wrote:
>>>
>>> > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking
>>> for?
>>> >
>>> > You're needing to output
On 8/8/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 8/7/2014 8:28 PM, AW wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900
>> Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking
>> for?
>> >
>> > You're needing to output logs to but up servers, but you have to boot
>> > a s
On 8/8/14, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Brian wrote:
>> On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:53:10 +0300, David Baron wrote:
>>> Wish there were not so many bugs around systemd. No objection to it as
>>> long as
>>> it works.
>>
>> The number of bugs on
>>
>>
>> https://bugs.debian.or
On 8/8/14, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>
> > journalctl has output options:
> >
> > -o, --output=
> >
> > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown.
> > Takes one of the following options:
>
> Seems fine to me after letting go of first im
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:33:45 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H
> > napísal:
> >>
> >> I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug
> >> thread. I can dig them up and post them if you're
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 20:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Friday, August 8, 2014 5:40:01 AM UTC+5:30, Joel Rees wrote:
> > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking
> > for?
[clip]
> Is the problem absent with text files?
> If one wants to write a text-log one need
- Original Message -
> From: "Brad Rogers"
>
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400
> Rob Owens wrote:
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> >I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a
> >way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned.
>
> Whilst it's not as convenient as greppin
- Original Message -
> From: "Rob Owens"
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "AW"
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400
> > Rob Owens wrote:
> >
> > > I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a
> > > way to do it with sqlite, but I never learne
- Original Message -
> From: "AW"
>
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400
> Rob Owens wrote:
>
> > I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a
> > way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned.
> >
> > One thing that attracted me to Linux many years ago was
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H napísal:
>>
>> I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug
>> thread. I can dig them up and post them if you're interested.
>
> Please, give them.
More than two...
I'd intended to re
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:21:04AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:40:02 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote:
> > I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first
> > step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or perhaps
> > some sublines. If t
On Friday, August 8, 2014 5:40:01 AM UTC+5:30, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 6:19 AM, AW wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400
> > Tom H wrote:
> > > journalctl has output options:
> > > -o, --output=
> > > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes
On 8/7/2014 8:28 PM, AW wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking for?
> >
> > You're needing to output logs to but up servers, but you have to boot
> > a server as complex as anySQL server to get th
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:03:56 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> You do understand the chicken-and-egg nature of what you're asking for?
>
> You're needing to output logs to but up servers, but you have to boot
> a server as complex as anySQL server to get there.
I wasn't going to continue on this thre
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 6:19 AM, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>
> > journalctl has output options:
> >
> > -o, --output=
> >
> > Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes
> > one of the following options:
>
> Seems fine to me after l
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:53:10 +0300, David Baron wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 07 August 2014 14:21:45 Brian wrote:
>> >
>> > This is part of the transition to systemd plan.
>> >
>> > https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no
>> >
>> > Also,
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:44:39 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> journalctl has output options:
>
> -o, --output=
>
> Controls the formatting of the journal entries that are shown. Takes
> one of the following options:
Seems fine to me after letting go of first impression of distrust in new
things...
H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, AW wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100
> Darac Marjal wrote:
>
> > Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try
> > to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the appropriate tools
> > to select all from it.
>
> Yes. Bu
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400
Rob Owens wrote:
Hello Rob,
>I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a
>way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned.
Whilst it's not as convenient as grepping a (nominally) text file,
there's a plug-in available for Ff that may b
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100
Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first
> > step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or
> > perhaps some sublines. If that text
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:28:08 -0400
Rob Owens wrote:
> I do miss the ability to grep my bookmarks.html file. Maybe there's a
> way to do it with sqlite, but I never learned.
>
> One thing that attracted me to Linux many years ago was that due to its
> Unix heritage,
You use the SQL langua
On Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:40:02 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote:
> I don't necessarily disagree, but I very strongly believe its first
> step should be to go to a text file with one line per event, or perhaps
> some sublines. If that text file were designed correctly, perhaps with
> field separat
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 18:41:24 +0300, David Baron wrote:
> On Thursday 07 August 2014 16:05:40 Brian wrote:
> > The number of bugs on
> >
> >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=unstable
> >
> > doesn't seen that high for a package of its importance and visibility.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100
Darac Marjal wrote:
> Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try
> to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the appropriate tools
> to select all from it.
Yes. But it's not. Although it should and could be an easily que
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On 08/07/2014 11:19 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:01:41AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> Oh geez, I'm sorry, I thought your post was flippant sarcasm, so I
>> did what I thought was extending it. OK, you really do mean the log
>
On Thursday 07 August 2014 16:05:40 Brian wrote:
> The number of bugs on
>
>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=unstable
>
> doesn't seen that high for a package of its importance and visibility.
> Most reports have had a response. Some reports are not bugs.
>
> If
On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 16:53:10 +0300, David Baron wrote:
> On Thursday 07 August 2014 14:21:45 Brian wrote:
> >
> > This is part of the transition to systemd plan.
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no
> >
> > Also, for those who care, libpam-systemd's Depends: line no
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 08:31:02 -0400
AW wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:38:16 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > Software As A Service, with Web 2.0
> ...
> > suggest a Google-hosted service
>
> Actually this is precisely the opposite of my suggestion. Using an
> externally stored database as I ha
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0300
David Baron wrote:
> Seems I got it with
> the new 64bit installation, wheezy upgraded to Sid.
On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:03:50 +0300
David Baron wrote:
> Offered for upgrade today are a bunch of old-style?? init components,
> initscripts, sysv-rc, etc
Are
... and the plot thickens ...
Offered for upgrade today are a bunch of old-style?? init components,
initscripts, sysv-rc, etc.
Interesting bug-entries:
Initscripts -- treat separate /usr like / paralleling entries for initramfs
tools, nothing recent ins sysv... stuff.
Still relevant? Relations
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> This is from an email by Lennart:
>
> /var/log/messages is *very* badly designed:
(snip)
> It's so bad, that rsyslog upstream even suggests not to use these
> files anymore, but write them in a more modern formatting that leaves
> a bi
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:26:20 -0400
AW wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 22:15:08 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > The advantage of journald is that it captures more information
> > because it runs much earlier and also because it captures stdin
> > (?!) and stderr of daemons. The data has more m
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:26 AM, AW wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 22:15:08 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > The advantage of journald is that it captures more information because
> > it runs much earlier and also because it captures stdin (?!) and stderr
> > of daemons. The data has more metad
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> >Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Screw that! I'm buying an old Kaypro 2x on Ebay, and using CPM for the
> > > rest of my life!
> > > :-)
> >
> >Good luck finding floppies!
>
> Turns out that is a big problem in maintaining the first generation of
> electronic voting m
Doug wrote:
On 08/06/2014 09:05 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:51:03 -0400
Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
system
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM, AW wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> So, yeah, /var/log/messages sucks, and journalctl is better at
>> generating a compatible output that that file ever was in itself.
>
> I definitely agree.
FTR, it was a quote.
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On 08/06/2014 09:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0300
David Baron wrote:
An amazing amount of discussion here.
Need to make a decision: Upgrade the systemd and udev version to
208-6 or sit on the 204-14. This is working fine it seems, and bugs
against the 208 are piling
On 08/06/2014 09:05 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
Screw that! I'm buying an old Kaypro 2x on Ebay, and using CPM for the
rest of my life!
I have fond memories of my old Kaypro, the Televideos ( had them all,
including the portable and the server), IMSAI and Altos computers and
CP/M. And even MP/M. I
On 08/06/2014 09:05 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:51:03 -0400
Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
systemd, for what r
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> So, yeah, /var/log/messages sucks, and journalctl is better at
> generating a compatible output that that file ever was in itself.
I definitely agree.
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 22:15:08 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> The advantage of journald is that it captures more information because
> it runs much earlier and also because it captures stdin (?!) and stderr
> of daemons. The data has more metadata and is also better structured and
> indexed (h
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H napísal:
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko wrote:
>>> Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H
>>> napísal:
If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh
running or 100
On Mi, 06 aug 14, 11:54:17, Slavko wrote:
>
> Yes, you have rsyslog for storing logs in text files. Now you have two
> deamons for one thing. Nice, but where is the advantage?
rsyslog is only needed if you want text logs. You could remove it and
configure journald to store its own (binary).
> I
On Wed 06 Aug 2014 at 12:02:45 -0400, John wrote:
> On 05/08/14, Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk) wrote:
>
> > >... and then I
> > > noticed /etc/cups/cupsd-systemd-listen.conf. I _guess_ it was
> > > installed behind my back without any warning. ...
> > It is impossible on Debian for a file to be
On Wed 06 Aug 2014 at 11:03:45 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote:
> On 08/05/2014 07:01 PM, AW wrote:
> >And the documentation on the official systemd site is quite terrible,
> >at least so far as I've been able to discover.
>
> They must have copy/pasted the initial systemd documentation from
> the Arch L
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:51:03 -0400
Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue.
On 05/08/14, Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk) wrote:
> > But I've also been trying to learn to cope with our future via
> > init=/bin/systemd.
> Irrespective of what future direction you take this open-minded attitude
> is commendable.
Thanks.
> >... and then I
> > noticed /etc/cups/cupsd-systemd-
On 08/05/2014 07:01 PM, AW wrote:
And the documentation on the official systemd site is quite terrible,
at least so far as I've been able to discover.
They must have copy/pasted the initial systemd documentation from the
Arch Linux Wiki. When the powers that be over at Arch Linux decided t
On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 01:46:14 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 09:38:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > This is where we differ. I'd rather have building blocks from which
> > I could build anything, rather than a monolith I need to trick into
> > doing what I want it to d
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 09:38:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> This is where we differ. I'd rather have building blocks from which I
> could build anything, rather than a monolith I need to trick into doing
> what I want it to do.
Oh, so you don't run a DE then.
In that case I suggest either Ne
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:51:03 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt
> wrote:
> >
> > LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
> > everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
> > systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue.
>
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0300
David Baron wrote:
> An amazing amount of discussion here.
>
> Need to make a decision: Upgrade the systemd and udev version to
> 208-6 or sit on the 204-14. This is working fine it seems, and bugs
> against the 208 are piling up. Nothing however that blares: y
Ahoj,
By my mistake i post it directly to Dan - i am sorry! I repost it to
list again...
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:07:41 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > When i read first time about change default of the init, i believe
> > (or hope?), that there will be choic
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H napísal:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko wrote:
> > Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H
> > napísal:
> >>
> >> If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh
> >> running or 100 daemons running, I want to use tomh-in
On Wed 06 Aug 2014 at 00:20:56 -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> I have a basic question: I want to migrate to systemd [reasons below]
[Snip]
> However aptitude dist-upgrade shows me:
>
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> graphviz{a} rsyslog{a} sysvinit-core{a}
The testing distribution is i
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 00:20:56 -0700 (PDT)
Rusi Mody wrote:
>
> I have a basic question: I want to migrate to systemd [reasons below]
>
> However...
>
> 1. I see on this list itself evidence of breakage
No doubt about that.
>
> 2. Ive experienced some myself and I could only guess that it was
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:01:57AM CEST, AW
> said:
>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400
>> Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4
>>
>> Thanks!
>> But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better...
>> journalctl show auth
>> journalctl
On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700
> Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > > To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary
> > > files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am n
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM, AW wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4
>
> Thanks!
> But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better...
> journalctl show auth
> journalctl show apache2
> journalctl show postgresql
> or even better still
> journal
On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:01:57AM CEST, AW
said:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>
> > journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4
>
> Thanks!
> But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better...
> journalctl show auth
> journalctl show apache2
> journalctl show postgresql
> or even better st
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 19:01:57 -0400
AW wrote:
> But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better...
This makes the number '4' meaningful...
...
SyslogFacility=
Sets the syslog facility to use when logging to syslog. One of
kern, user, mail, daemon, auth, syslog, lpr, news, uucp, cron,
authpriv, ft
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4
Thanks!
But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better...
journalctl show auth
journalctl show apache2
journalctl show postgresql
or even better still
journalctl show -v postgresql
and I found the '-o verbose' option to
On Tue 05 Aug 2014 at 14:40:01 -0400, John wrote:
[Some snipping]
> But I've also been trying to learn to cope with our future via
> init=/bin/systemd.
Irrespective of what future direction you take this open-minded attitude
is commendable.
> 2. I _think_ systemd broke my ability to print, or
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, AW wrote:
>
> cat /var/log/auth.log
> or
> journalctl 'something unknown by me'
journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4
There's tab completion, so on my laptop where I've aliased systemctl
and journalctl to sc and jc (and duplicated the systemctl and
journalctl bash completi
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do
> everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on
> systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue.
Maybe you should look into adapting the Android Init Language :
An amazing amount of discussion here.
Need to make a decision: Upgrade the systemd and udev version to 208-6 or sit
on the 204-14. This is working fine it seems, and bugs against the 208 are
piling up. Nothing however that blares: your system is now unbootable, but
that is what I fear.
Somehow
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H napísal:
>>
>> If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh
>> running or 100 daemons running, I want to use tomh-init.
>>
>> I can understand that there are people who don't want to adopt
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:44:50 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
>I hear PAM now depends on
>systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue.
I'd bet last Tuesday's burrito special that you could compile and
install a version of PAM without systemd...
However, it's not all surprising that PAM pulls in a systemd
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:05:59 -0400
AW wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:32:48 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> >When I switch to systemd, I'd like to have it as isolated as humanly
> >possible, just because I'm a modularity kind of guy.
>
> I've been watching the thread here... and I understand the
On Tue 05 Aug 2014 at 12:32:48 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Cool! Finally someone who knows it and is on the ground floor. I have
> some questions...
Debian isn't a department store. But if it were you want the penthouse,
which is where the the systemd maintainers reside.
> When I switch to system
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700 Don Armstrong
> napísal:
> > These are just accessible reasons. The main reason that I personally
> > voted for systemd over sysv is because systemd (and upstart) provide
> > correct boot sequencing in complex boot situations.
On 05/08/14, Don Armstrong (d...@debian.org) wrote:
>
> These are just accessible reasons. The main reason that I personally
> voted for systemd over sysv is ...
> ...there's a reason
> why none of the CTTE members (myself included) voted for it.
> ...
Thanks to Don for taking the time to write
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary
> > files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested
> > in latest.
>
> These are just accessible reason
On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> Cool! Finally someone who knows it and is on the ground floor. I have
> some questions...
>
> When I switch to systemd, I'd like to have it as isolated as humanly
> possible, just because I'm a modularity kind of guy.
>
> I'm thinking of starting the mini
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:32:48 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
>When I switch to systemd, I'd like to have it as isolated as humanly
>possible, just because I'm a modularity kind of guy.
I've been watching the thread here... and I understand the thought of
not changing from sysvinit because sysvinit work
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700
Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary
> > files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested
> > in latest.
>
> These are just accessible reasons. The mai
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