Re: new laptop: how2 enable suspend / hibernate?

2024-06-26 Thread Lee
On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 3:34 PM Van Snyder wrote: > > On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 09:47 -0400, Lee wrote: > > My old laptop died - a tiny little pop and it powered off. So I've > lost my implementation reference. > > If you can get the disk drive out of your old laptop, get a USB adapter for > it.

Re: new laptop: how2 enable suspend / hibernate?

2024-06-25 Thread Van Snyder
On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 09:47 -0400, Lee wrote: > My old laptop died - a tiny little pop and it powered off.  So I've > lost my implementation reference. If you can get the disk drive out of your old laptop, get a USB adapter for it. Then you can look at your installation logs. > My n

new laptop: how2 enable suspend / hibernate?

2024-06-25 Thread Lee
My old laptop died - a tiny little pop and it powered off. So I've lost my implementation reference. My new laptop is a Lenovo v15 G3 - installing debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso from a flash drive was trivially easy. Whoever worked on the how to install Debian from flash did an excellent job

Re: Re: How do I report bug on Old machine via this New Laptop?

2020-07-16 Thread PaulG
Thanks Greg, I will report it on Kali (not Debian).

Re: How do I report bug on Old machine via this New Laptop?

2020-07-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 02:16:03PM -0700, Paul Gerken wrote: > Fri 7/10 installed Kali linux from USB, burned from > kali-linux-2020.2-installer-amd64 download of 7/7. > Installed as Kali on different AMD Athalon 64x2 tower machine which has no > email on it. > Distro is 5.7.0-kali1-amd64 #1

Re: How do I report bug on Old machine via this New Laptop?

2020-07-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 iul 20, 19:27:22, The Wanderer wrote: > > The short answer is that when you cancel an otherwise-complete bug > report from the 'reportbug' program, it saves the result into a file, > and you can take that file to another machine and (with a little work) > turn it into an E-mail that can

Re: How do I report bug on Old machine via this New Laptop?

2020-07-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-07-13 at 17:16, Paul Gerken wrote: > Hi User, > >apt-get install cups cups-client "foomatic-db*" > > fails with foomatic-db-compressed-ppds : Conflicts: foomatic-db Breaks: > foomatic-db > > Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. That appears to be

How do I report bug on Old machine via this New Laptop?

2020-07-13 Thread Paul Gerken
Hi User, apt-get install cups cups-client "foomatic-db*" fails with foomatic-db-compressed-ppds : Conflicts: foomatic-db Breaks: foomatic-db Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. unmet dependencies Fri 7/10 installed Kali linux from USB, burned from

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 08:39:25PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: If you intend to use guided partitioning on the whole disk, I repeat that LVM is worthless unless you plan to add disks in the future. I'd agree that It's utility is very much diminished by d-i allocating the entire VG with its

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-16 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Pascal Hambourg (2019-04-16 20:39:25) > Le 15/04/2019 à 16:38, Tom Browder a écrit : > > > > I have decided to use the Deb installer and select LVM during > > the clean installation, and accept the FS default (I assume it will be > > ext4, but if not, I will select it). > > If you intend

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-16 Thread Felix Miata
Jonathan Dowland composed on 2019-04-16 09:17 (UTC+0100): > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:38:12PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> Both DFSee and IBM >>BM use the last sector on the first track for data storage, including useful >>cataloging data. Even when not having IBM BM installed, its data sector

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-16 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2019 à 16:38, Tom Browder a écrit : I have decided to use the Deb installer and select LVM during the clean installation, and accept the FS default (I assume it will be ext4, but if not, I will select it). If you intend to use guided partitioning on the whole disk, I repeat that LVM

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:38:12PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Both DFSee and IBM BM use the last sector on the first track for data storage, including useful cataloging data. Even when not having IBM BM installed, its data sector is (optionally) used by DFSee, by me, always. So I gather that

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-15 Thread Felix Miata
Jonathan Dowland composed on 2019-04-15 10:28 (UTC-0400): > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 05:36:00PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >>LVM's extra layer(s) would render my backup/restore system that depends in >>large >>part on cloning useless. > I don't quite understand this, would you care to elaborate?

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-15 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 9:50 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and ... Thanks to all who have given me advice on selecting the file system for a new laptop. After considering all suggestions and my use of the laptop, I have decided

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 09:50:23AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. What in particular do you find

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 05:36:00PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: LVM's extra layer(s) would render my backup/restore system that depends in large part on cloning useless. I don't quite understand this, would you care to elaborate? Thanks! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-14 Thread Peter Wiersig
Dan Ritter writes: > Peter Wiersig wrote: > > ZFS is now in two incompatible versions: Oracle's, and ZFSonLinux, > which is now effectively the parent for all the other efforts including > FreeBSD's ZFS. The biggest problem is the incompatible license which makes the code untouchable. How

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-14 Thread Dan Ritter
Peter Wiersig wrote: > Matthew Crews writes: > > > > Here is a good talk on the subject by Michael Lucas, one of the premier > > experts on ZFS. Its worth noting that a lot of the concepts apply to > > BTRFS to varying degrees: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9A0dX2WqW8 > > I don't

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-14 Thread Peter Wiersig
Matthew Crews writes: > > Here is a good talk on the subject by Michael Lucas, one of the premier > experts on ZFS. Its worth noting that a lot of the concepts apply to > BTRFS to varying degrees: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9A0dX2WqW8 I don't have time yet, I think I will watch the

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-14 Thread Anders Andersson
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 7:08 PM Felix Miata wrote: > > Anders Andersson composed on 2019-04-13 17:31 (UTC+0200): > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Because of its snapshotting, BTRFS requires considerably more space than > >> older > >> filesystems, as much as double. > > > A btrfs snapshot takes

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-13 Thread Matthew Crews
On 4/13/19 5:40 PM, Peter Wiersig wrote: > Peter Wiersig writes: >> >> I would be pissed if my OS removes snapshots I might or might not need >> in the future. That's a release critical bug in my eyes. Yeah, I know >> Microsoft and Apple do that automatically if your capacity runs out, but >>

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-13 Thread Peter Wiersig
Peter Wiersig writes: > > I would be pissed if my OS removes snapshots I might or might not need > in the future. That's a release critical bug in my eyes. Yeah, I know > Microsoft and Apple do that automatically if your capacity runs out, but > that's also why I don't recommend them at all.

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-13 Thread Peter Wiersig
Felix Miata writes: > Anders Andersson composed on 2019-04-13 17:31 (UTC+0200): > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> Because of its snapshotting, BTRFS requires considerably more space than >>> older >>> filesystems, as much as double. > >> A btrfs snapshot takes approximately zero space. Where did

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-13 Thread deloptes
Felix Miata wrote: > Anders Andersson composed on 2019-04-13 17:31 (UTC+0200): > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> Because of its snapshotting, BTRFS requires considerably more space than >>> older filesystems, as much as double. > >> A btrfs snapshot takes approximately zero space. Where did you

Re: BTRFS snapshot space consumption (was: New laptop: need advice on choice...)

2019-04-13 Thread Felix Miata
Anders Andersson composed on 2019-04-13 17:31 (UTC+0200): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Because of its snapshotting, BTRFS requires considerably more space than >> older >> filesystems, as much as double. > A btrfs snapshot takes approximately zero space. Where did you get > this idea from? (not

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-13 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:51 PM Tom Browder wrote: > > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. > > Can anyone recommend either one for a

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-13 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:36 PM Felix Miata wrote: > > Tom Browder composed on 2019-04-12 09:50 (UTC-0500): > > > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > > least one partion during my upcoming

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-13 Thread Dan Ritter
Curt wrote: > On 2019-04-12, Thomas D Dial wrote: > > > > ZFS for /home makes sense, especially for anyone not already somewhat > > familiar with ZFS. > > Well, if ZFS is this big sixteen-wheeler that you might crash into the > concrete embankment if you're not careful, what are the benefits

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2019-04-12, Thomas D Dial wrote: > > ZFS for /home makes sense, especially for anyone not already somewhat > familiar with ZFS. Well, if ZFS is this big sixteen-wheeler that you might crash into the concrete embankment if you're not careful, what are the benefits that outweigh or override

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Default User
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 18:07 Dan Ritter wrote: > Default User wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 12:43 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > And what about Btrfs? > > I don't currently recommend it in any situation where ZFS is an > option. That comes from 2 years of working with btrfs where > doing normal

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Default User wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 12:43 Dan Ritter wrote: > And what about Btrfs? I don't currently recommend it in any situation where ZFS is an option. That comes from 2 years of working with btrfs where doing normal maintenance ended up destroying data more than once. It may be

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > ... > > If you want to experiment, having root on ext4 and /home on ZFS > > is pretty easy to accomplish. > > Dan, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but when you say "experiment," do > you mean taking it for a ride like a new

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Thomas D Dial
On Fri, 2019-04-12 at 12:43 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Tom Browder wrote: > > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > > least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. > > > > Can

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Felix Miata
Tom Browder composed on 2019-04-12 09:50 (UTC-0500): > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. Because of its snapshotting, BTRFS

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 12 Apr 2019 at 12:13:09 -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > ... > > If you want to experiment, having root on ext4 and /home on ZFS > > is pretty easy to accomplish. > > Dan, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but when you say "experiment," do > you

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Default User
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 12:43 Dan Ritter wrote: > Tom Browder wrote: > > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > > least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. > > > > Can anyone

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Dan Ritter wrote: ... > If you want to experiment, having root on ext4 and /home on ZFS > is pretty easy to accomplish. Dan, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but when you say "experiment," do you mean taking it for a ride like a new car where one has to learn new

Re: New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Dan Ritter
Tom Browder wrote: > I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and > btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at > least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. > > Can anyone recommend either one for a normal (non-developer, >

New laptop: need advice on choice of file system types

2019-04-12 Thread Tom Browder
I have used ext4 for many years while I have been watching zfs and btrfs being developed. I am now considering using one or both on at least one partion during my upcoming new Debian installation. Can anyone recommend either one for a normal (non-developer, non-hobbyiest) user who does backups

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-29 Thread Seeker
On 8/28/2015 12:38 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 28 August 2015 06:24:33 Seeker wrote: On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to monitors. The circle has merely come back to the beginning. Lisi I had a Commodor 64, but did

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 28 August 2015 06:24:33 Seeker wrote: On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote: On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, My, we have some youngsters

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 28 August 2015 03:09:48 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 05:44:20 Thomas Schmitt (?)wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, T.J. Duchene wroye: Whether you believe me or not, think me paranoid, I got mistrusting, too. makemkv forum why they get key revocation warnings even when using Linux Trying to grok their complaints and proposals ... (well, yes kids, a medium error is indeed bad) ... They talk of

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-28 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 08/28/2015 03:55 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Since this all stays a bit obscure, how about this summary statement: Be aware that inserting a commercial Blu-ray video disc into the drive can have undesired effects on the overall video decoding and display system. (This does not affect the

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread ken
On 08/27/2015 06:25 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. I googled it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this case. The

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread ken
On 08/27/2015 06:30 AM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * ken geb...@mousecar.com [2015-08-20 06:53 -0400]: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: So please bring me the rumors, the urban legends, and the true horror stories about this topic. Google is a marvellous tool, Thomas. Or DuckDuckGo or $SEARCH_ENGINE Any success with finding hints about Blu-ray drive hijacking ? Panasonic promises to do like LG.

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Nicolas George
Le decadi 10 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc. I sincerely doubt that the drive firmware will do this, but

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: (As if I invented online references!!!) At least you have more luck with googling than me. I beat this thread not because i want to win. As said, it is about the potential hazard of too much user-friendliness in the drive firmware. If Gene has a pile of dead drives and

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: I believe being able to update the drive firmware in that manner it is part of the Orange Book specification. The rainbow books describe CD media and what the drives shall be able to do with them. No command specs, no wiring specs, no relation to drive firmware, DVD,

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:26:34 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 06:25:52 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. I googled it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, ken wrote: I mean, it's possible for either or both to have malicious code in their firmware. But is either *known* to? Well, as you can see from my posts i fiercely deny to have such knowledge of malicious code on the level of the drive firmware. (I can be convinced, though, if good

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 06:25:52 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. I googled it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Nicolas George wrote: There were the DVD drives by Matsushita, usually found on laptops, that did refuse to return the encrypted contents if the region did not match. This sounds plausible, although i would heavily complain towards the seller if i ever found out. There is few chance i

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 05:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, We should keep in mind that it was Sony Music whose published cd's contained code to check the kind of drive it was being played in, and if the drive had a digital output such as the usual 40 pin atapi drive cable, then it

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Seeker
On 8/27/2015 9:04 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Nicolas George wrote: There were the DVD drives by Matsushita, usually found on laptops, that did refuse to return the encrypted contents if the region did not match. This sounds plausible, although i would heavily complain towards the seller

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote: On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-) Connecting home computers to TVs came _before_ connecting them to monitors.

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such messages from upset people.  Use the approximately correct search terms. Go on, Gene! Provide some references. ;-) Lisi

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Seeker wrote: I don't know what this DVD cheating stuff is about. I mean people who buy stuff of which they know that the deal is unfair and then take much effort to make it possible to use it despite. That's the legal fiction. In practice i doubt that they paid properly for the deal. So

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 22:19 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: For own data recordings it should not matter, anyway. Correct. RPC codes only apply to the playback of DVD media that contains data in DVD organized format designed for a player. As a side note, RPC-1 drives have not been manufactured

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 14:10:07 Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: (As if I invented online references!!!) At least you have more luck with googling than me. I beat this thread not because i want to win. As said, it is about the potential hazard of too much

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Seeker
On 8/27/2015 1:19 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Seeker wrote: RPC-1 [...] It was left up to the software to honor the region code or not. RPC-2, commonly accessible software is available that does not care about region code settings. Initialization was changed so software does not have

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 16:19:11 Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Seeker wrote: I don't know what this DVD cheating stuff is about. I mean people who buy stuff of which they know that the deal is unfair and then take much effort to make it possible to use it despite. That's the legal

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 15:42:24 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 17:00:15 Gene Heskett wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. The mailing list archives contain many megabytes of such messages from upset people.  Use the approximately correct search

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Seeker
On 8/27/2015 12:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote: On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-) LOL Connecting home computers

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, We should keep in mind that it was Sony Music whose published cd's contained code to check the kind of drive it was being played in, and if the drive had a digital output such as the usual 40 pin atapi drive cable, then it was in a computer, and they bricked the drive. Sony et.al.

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 27 August 2015 10:44:20 Thomas Schmitt wrote: I am curious to learn more about the Sony-CD incident. I googled it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4456970.stm So sorry, Gene, but Thomas's instincts are right in this case. The player was bricked only in so far as the

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* ken geb...@mousecar.com [2015-08-20 06:53 -0400]: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Isn't a second hd in the CD-tray a better option?

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4456970.stm Pity they don't tell on what operating system or player the root kit was installed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal says that Sony BMG quickly released software to remove the rootkit

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 27 August 2015 12:04:52 Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Lisi Reisz wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4456970.stm Pity they don't tell on what operating system or player the root kit was installed. If you're using a Linux system, the Sony DRM rootkit does not get

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 27 August 2015 03:03:14 Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc. Absolutely Thomas. All of those things look for a key in the

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, the reason why i am insisiting in getting facts is that i want to know whether drive firmware can get altered by just inserting and reading a commercial Blu-ray disc. I sincerely doubt that the drive firmware will do this, but rather believe it is about software on the level of operating

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-27 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/27/2015 03:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 19:30:48 Seeker wrote: On a marginally related but not relevant note, that was at a time when hooking a computer to a TV was not so common, My, we have some youngsters on this list now. ;-) Connecting home computers to TVs

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-25 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, T. J. Duchene (i believe) wrote: Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive is required to accept on a hardware level. If I recall correctly, the updates consist of revoked player keys and such. Are you sure that this applies to Blu-ray recorders in computers

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 01:09:19PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:53:09PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Please don't top post on this mailing list. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-24 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:53:09PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Please don't top post on this mailing list. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Hector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/08/15 10:03, T. J. Duchene wrote: Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive is required to accept on a hardware level. Whenever you insert a disc into the drive (OS makes no difference), the firmware is checked and

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Tue, 2015-08-25 at 13:23 +1200, Richard Hector wrote: On 24/08/15 10:03, T. J. Duchene wrote: Blu-ray discs carry updates and blacklists that your Blu-ray drive is required to accept on a hardware level. Whenever you insert a disc into the drive (OS makes no difference), the firmware is

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-23 Thread T. J. Duchene
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 06:53:42 -0400 ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Hi Ken! Hope you are having a

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-22 Thread Chris Bannister
Please don't top post on this mailing list. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) Is the iPhone really that bad? Is

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 22 August 2015 12:53:09 Chris Bannister wrote: Please don't top post on this mailing list. I believe it is quite hard not to on an iPhone. :-( On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 06:04:03AM -0500, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Aug 20, 2015 6:54 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? First of all, is this going to be your

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread ken
On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Hal Wigoda
I wouldn't outfit a computer with blu-ray (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:53 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread ken
On 08/20/2015 07:35 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Second, it [Blu-ray] has dmr crap in it that might require binary only spyware to work. DVD-Video has them too, the only difference is that the crypto in the DRM for DVD is terribly broken. Broken in the sense that data is corrupted or in

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:21:24AM -0400, ken wrote: On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote: [...] Is that a personal preference, or are there reasons? Others have responded too, but I think it's worth re-stating it in a short, sweet form: they

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Hal Wigoda
Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs? Anyway. (Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or grammatical errors.) On Aug 20, 2015, at 6:21 AM, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: On 08/20/2015 07:04 AM, Hal Wigoda wrote: I wouldn't outfit

Fwd: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread John T. Haggerty
Future proofing mostly. Blueray drives should be backwards compatible with DVD. -- Forwarded message - From: ken geb...@mousecar.com Date: Thu, Aug 20, 2015, 04:54 Subject: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray To: CentOS mailing list cen...@centos.org, Debian Users debian-user

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Nicolas George
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Mauricio Tavares a écrit : One of the compelling reasons against is that only movies use it. Unless the drive can also burn BD-R disks, in which case you have a reasonably-priced way of storing 22.5 gigaoctsts of data.

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Hal Wigoda wrote: Personal preference. Who uses blu ray? Who uses DVDs? This really isn't a winning discussion. If you want to read/write blu-ray disks, then buy a blu-ray reader/writer. If you don't, don't. You can get a blu ray writer for ~£50, so it really

new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread ken
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray?

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Nicolas George
Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, doug a écrit : If the DVD is not a writer as well as a player, it's not a good deal at all, but BluRay is worse Why would it be worse? Anything a DVD drive can do, a BD drive is supposed to be able to do as well. Really, there is no hesitation: if the only

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread doug
On 08/20/2015 12:53 PM, ken wrote: On 08/20/2015 10:14 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:48:11 -0400 doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Hello doug, actually going to watch movies on a laptop? Why not? People watch them on a wristwatch these days. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? Get neither: nowadays an optical reader is just a relic of the past, making your laptop heavier and

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? The decision isn't that simple. As others have pointed out, the no

Re: [CentOS] new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? If you want to backup disk files, then BD is much less cumbersome than DVD. My Debian 8

Re: new laptop: DVD or Blu-ray

2015-08-20 Thread ken
On 08/20/2015 10:14 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/08/15 06:53 AM, ken wrote: One of the build options for a laptop I'm looking at buying is DVD vs Blu-Ray. I've never used Blue-ray before, so is there some compelling reason, as a Linux guy, to want to get Blu-ray? The decision isn't that

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2014-01-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
The rule of thumb, in general is that a speed increase smaller than about 30% goes unnoticed. That 30% sounds about right, but then too I suppose it would also depend upon how closely the speed is being examined and how perceptually prominent the executable is and other factors. Of course.

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