[HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread didier gaumet
CentOS n'existe plus sous cette forme (100% clone RHEL sauf les noms déposés), ce qui existe à la place, c'est CentOS Stream qui est grosso-modo un truc à la Windows Preview, donc en caricaturant un peu, une pré-version des mises-à-jour de RHEL. RedHat ne rend plus public le code source de

Re: info

2024-07-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 06:07:29 + Francesco Di Lorenzo wrote: > good morning, > i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the > installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments > , it is only text. what I can do? thanks First, what is the text you see?

Re: Bug session graphique ? ou Firefox ? ou adblock ?

2024-07-22 Thread didier gaumet
Le 22/07/2024 à 08:44, olivier a écrit : Bonjour, Concernant la session graphique, j'ai remarqué un plantage... J'ai Debian 12 avec Firefox ESR, et comme extension Adblock (qui est efficace)...Sauf que aléatoirement tout ce bloque (souris, clavier), et je perds mes modifications lorsque je

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-22 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour je dis ca et ca et je ne dis rien, en pro une interface graphique n'a PAS à être installée. Je persiste et signe, de toutes les distributions testées et installées depuis RH3, Debian est de loin la plus stable sur les serveurs y compris par rapport à Ubuntu server. Le 21/07/2024 à

Re: Port utilisé mais PID/Program name vide

2024-07-22 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour Le 22/07/2024 à 00:18, Charles a écrit : ls -l /proc/*/fd/* 2>/dev/null | grep 36398 Pas plus efficace, aucune sortie. De mes tests, si netstat n'affiche aucun PID/nom de programme et que l'on ne sait pas par quel demon/application ce/ces ports sont ouverts, aucune chance de

Re: info

2024-07-22 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 22. Juli 2024, 08:07:29 CEST schrieb Francesco Di Lorenzo: > good morning, > i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the > installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments , it > is only text. what I can do? > thanks Looks like the X server

Re: info

2024-07-22 Thread DdB
Am 22.07.2024 um 08:07 schrieb Francesco Di Lorenzo: > good morning, > i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the > installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments , > it is only text. > what I can do? > thanks  First things first: You have choices!

Re: info

2024-07-22 Thread jeremy ardley
On 22/7/24 14:07, Francesco Di Lorenzo wrote: good morning, i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments , it is only text. what I can do? thanks This installs the mate desktop environment. You

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-22 Thread George at Clug
On Monday, 22-07-2024 at 02:35 Joe wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:43:58 +0100 > Mike wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to > > be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off > > with relative ease. > > > >

Bug session graphique ? ou Firefox ? ou adblock ?

2024-07-22 Thread olivier
Bonjour, Concernant la session graphique, j'ai remarqué un plantage... J'ai Debian 12 avec Firefox ESR, et comme extension Adblock (qui est efficace)...Sauf que aléatoirement tout ce bloque (souris, clavier), et je perds mes modifications lorsque je travaille... J'ai recherché au niveau des

info

2024-07-22 Thread Francesco Di Lorenzo
good morning, i installed debain 12 from your site, and using the usb , I did the installation, but I don't know why I don't get the desktop enviments , it is only text. what I can do? thanks

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 05:47:58 +0800 cor...@free.fr wrote: > I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. > is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? > for example put them into crontab. I suggest you do the next update manually. Then you can automate the process with

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:43:28 -0500 David Wright wrote: > I run the following from root's crontab: > > apt-get -qq -o Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/; > update && apt-get -qq -d -o > Acquire::http::Proxy="http://192.168.1.14:3142/; dist-upgrade && find >

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share? [Dvorak]

2024-07-21 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 07:55:29PM -0600, Shawn Jefferds wrote: Your final statement makes me curious about learning Dvorak. Shawn Jefferds ??n ??f?rdz Noli fovere canem ardentum Vote Vader 2024! On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 11:37 Russell L. Harris wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 15:27, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 10:45:59 (+), David wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > hede wrote: > > Don't be discouraged by all the junk that the autogenerated grub.cfg > > contains these days, most of it is not

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 AM Joe wrote: > > > Basically, I think that with many more users, we would see more Windows > users and they would be less secure in their habits. We've already seen > this to some extent with Ubuntu. I don't think it's any more difficult > to write a virus for

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 05:47:58AM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote: > is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? > for example put them into crontab. I prefer to use apticron to download updates daily and tell me about them, and then for me to install them manually. The

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread David Wright
On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 05:47:58 (+0800), cor...@free.fr wrote: > I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. > is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? > for example put them into crontab. I run the following from root's crontab: apt-get -qq -o

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 07:34:29 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > One thing to remember, regarding automated upgrades, is that, if an upgrade > involves a kernel upgrade, then you can have a need for immediate rebooting, > which may be problematic. It's also rare, but NOT unheard of, for a stable

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Bret Busby
On 22/7/24 07:34, Bret Busby wrote: On 22/7/24 05:47, cor...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? for example put them into crontab. I ask this question because I am worried that some

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread Bret Busby
On 22/7/24 05:47, cor...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? for example put them into crontab. I ask this question because I am worried that some software updates may conflict with each

Re: update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread eben
On 7/21/24 17:47, cor...@free.fr wrote: Hi list, I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? for example put them into crontab. I wouldn't have the upgrade run automatically, because maybe there's a package you wouldn't

Re: Port utilisé mais PID/Program name vide

2024-07-21 Thread Charles
Le 19/07/2024 à 16:29, NoSpam a écrit : Bonjour sur une debian12 à jour j'ai netstat -6aupenl Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Adresse locale Adresse dist. Etat Util Inode PID/Pro udp6   0  0 :::50005   :::*   0    36398 - mais lsof -i -P -n | grep 50005 n'affiche aucune sortie

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > Deux DM cohabitent Xfce et Gnome > > Ce qui est proposé est : > > - GNOME > - GNOME Classique > - GNOME classique sur Xorg > - GNOME sur Xorg > - Default Xsession > - Session Xfce > > Toutes permettent de se connecter

update system periodically

2024-07-21 Thread coreyh
Hi list, I have been running an old debian 11 for many days. is it safe to run 'apt upgrade' and 'apt update' periodically? for example put them into crontab. I ask this question because I am worried that some software updates may conflict with each other after running in this way, resulting

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Effectivement, j'ai pensé à Cent-OS qui était assez utilisée fut un temps pour des usages professionnels mais je ne sais pas si sa réputation est encore solide. Revenir a Windows est un étrange retournement de l'histoire car dans mon métier, Windows était alors considéré comme parfaitement

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Thanks for pointing that out. I've noticed that installing sendmail package was removing postfix and vice versa. That made me think these two were mutually exclusive. After reinstalling postfix, logwatch suddenly started sending emails so everything is now working as expected. --- Adam

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Frederic Zulian
Hmm, plus stable que Debian stable ? Il y avait bien centos qui était assez utilisé il y a quelques années en pro. Sinon avec X sous Debian, quelque chose de plus léger comme Lxqt devrait limiter d'éventuels bugs et interactions. A voir, mais cela a déjà été proposé, de tenter une reinstall

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
En effet, au vu des dernières constatations et de la chronologie, il semble que c'est bien ce qui s'est passé Maintenant, ce qui est inquiétant quand même est qu'une installation fraîche de moins d'un mois suivie d'opérations tout à fait régulières car il n'y a pas eu de bricolage entre

Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean Bernon
À la lecture de l'historique du problème, il semble que l'installation de Samba a introduit Gnome et qu'à l'installation du nouveau noyau Linux, xfce a été carrément remplacé par Gnome. Donc ton idée de réinstaller xfce semble judicieuse et je ne vois pas d'objection à le tenter. Jean

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share? [Dvorak]

2024-07-21 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 04:48:19PM +0800, hlyg wrote: On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote: The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 12:19 PM Hans wrote: > > I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are > available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after > the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole. I think you may be

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates) > > can run anything else as root > > So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian > stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most > machines in

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Anssi Saari
hlyg writes: > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development? But it has. The internet and what connects to it now mostly run Linux, other than Microsoft's single niche. Mobile phones run a Linux variant. The PC desktop is the only exception where they have domination,

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread olivier
Bonjour, Concernant la session graphique, j'ai remarqué un plantage... J'ai Debian 12 avec Firefox ESR, et comme extension Adblock (qui est efficace)...Sauf que aléatoirement tout ce bloque (souris, clavier), et je perds mes modifications lorsque je travaille... J'ai recherché au niveau des

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:43:58 +0100 Mike wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to > be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off > with relative ease. > > The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-20 at 22:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM The Wanderer > wrote: > >> On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: >>> The problem is the Windows Systems Administrators who contracted >>> for / allowed unattended remote updates of kernel drivers on >>> live

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:36:30 +1000 George at Clug wrote: > Adam, > > I dislike people to reply to my questions but do not answer the > question, instead suggest I do something totally different. Yes, but sometimes: a) that's the right answer anyway b) it may not answer the OP's question. but

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Hans
I do not agree to this. Updates should be installed as soon as they are available. Especially security updates. It shows , that within 24 hours after the release of an update, an exploit is available for this security hole. But you should do it corrdectly, like some hospitals did: First check

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-21 at 10:42, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:27:17 -0400 gene heskett > wrote: > >> And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason >> for the lack of market share, which is that most business that have >> a computerized system to run things also value what their

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Richmond
Dan Ritter writes: > Richmond wrote: >> Jeffrey Walton writes: >> >> Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that >> they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows >> Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Joe (12024-07-21): > And the important phrase there is 'if you want to'. The point is that > many people, especially those accustomed to running with admin > privileges on their Windows computers, would continue to do that. No, they will not. They will continue to follow the system default,

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Alain D D Williams (12024-07-21): > I only needed root as it was for another user. Exactly. On a computer with only one user account, once the pirate have access to that account, they can do everything that matters. Including spy the root password next time it is typed, but why waste the time

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 05:18:46PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account > is not what matters, what matters is the user account where you can > install a key logger and get banking credentials or encrypt all the data > and ask for

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 18/07/2024 00:01, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 17:58:57 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: No, I'm talking about sudo, not su. I'm not a sudo user so I can't test but my understanding is that root inherits the umask of the invoking user (or it used to) Looks like this is still true.

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread David Wright
On Sun 21 Jul 2024 at 10:45:59 (+), David wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > hede wrote: > > > > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > > > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > > > System Information > > > ... > > >

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Deux DM cohabitent Xfce et Gnome Ce qui est proposé est : - GNOME - GNOME Classique - GNOME classique sur Xorg - GNOME sur Xorg - Default Xsession - Session Xfce Toutes permettent de se connecter sauf "session Xfce", on s'en doutait un peu !! Est il possible de désinstaller Xfce et de le

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Joe (12024-07-21): > I accept what you say, the point I was making is that the more users, > and they will be less IT-competent users, the more will login as root. No, they will not. And it does not matter, because on a personal computer the root account is not what matters, what matters is the

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Joe
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:13:00 +0200 Hans wrote: > > You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. > > Linux would become as virus-ridden

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> - software updates that run as root (including Debian updates) > can run anything else as root So, maybe a more relevant discussion is: what will happen when a Debian stable security update comes with a "big blunder" that crashes the most machines in early boot? Admittedly, the wider

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Je suis assez d'accord avec toi sur cette analyse à ceci près est que le premier utilisateur créé à l'install était sous Xfce4 mais les deux autres créés par la suite se trouvaient sous Gnome, j'ignore totalement pourquoi puisque la création des utilisateurs par adduser n'offre pas la

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Richmond wrote: > Jeffrey Walton writes: > > Yes the updates should be tested at every stage. Maybe people think that > they cannot stop updates, but they can use Group Policy to stop Windows > Update. Or maybe they are afraid if they don't allow virus updates then > they will allow a virus?

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread testeur
Après c'est comme tout, il y a une raison à cela (corruption de fichier dans ta session ? récupération home d'un autre système ? mise à jour plantée ? autre ?). Ce qui est sûr c'est que ta session xfce4 a eu un problème après mise à jour et reboot, ce n'est donc pas le pilote graphique ni

Re: dyndns

2024-07-21 Thread RogerT
C’est un routeur mobile qui n’a pas de client dyndns. Pour l’instant, je me suis dépanné avec un client dyndns (DUC de noip.com qui tourne sur une machine du LAN et informe noip.com dès que l’adresse IP change. Test toutes les 5 mn. Un routeur basique qui intègre un clientdyndns ferait aussi

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread NoSpam
Lors de la connexion d'un utilisateur il est possible de choisir quel environnement utiliser si plusieurs DM sont installés Envoyé d'une Debian12 xfce4 ou Cinnamon sous Asahi Linux/Macbook Air Le 21/07/2024 à 16:24, Halbrante a écrit : L'environnement graphique de l'utilisateur créé à

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
L'environnement graphique de l'utilisateur créé à l'installation était Xfce4. Lorsque j'ai créé un second puis un troisième utilisateur ( par adduser), il était sous Gnome !!! ... Pourquoi ? Y aurait-il une incompatibilité entre les deux ? Le 21/07/2024 à 15:02, Jean-Michel OLTRA a écrit :

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread eben
On 7/21/24 07:43, Mike wrote: Hi all, I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off with relative ease. The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in the running kernel. At

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, Mon premier post décrit le problème et ce qui s'est passé avant sa découverte. Je précise que le problème n'est pas qu'un nouvel utilisateur soit refusé par le bureau (ie: son identification dans l'environnement graphique) , au contraire C'est que l'utilisateur créé lors de

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-21 Thread JavierDebian
El 20/7/24 a las 17:44, riveravaldez escribió: El viernes, 19 de julio de 2024, Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinezmailto:asanch...@e-compugraf.com>> escribió: > (...) > En un desktop no es tan indispensable separarla pero si altamente recomendable  y no es un tema de velocidad, si tienes

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Richmond
Jeffrey Walton writes: > This is alarming (to me) from the YC post: > > "we push software to your machines any time we want, > whether or not it's urgent, without testing it" seems to be > core to the model... > > Updates need to be tested inside an organization's lab, and then >

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Mike wrote: > I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to > be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off > with relative ease. > > The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in > the running kernel. At the moment, it's

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:24:06 +0100, Adam Weremczuk wrote: > Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. > > What exactly shall I substitute: > > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf > > to make logwatch use postfix

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 12:40 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the > > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a > computerized > > system to run things

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système > stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est > restée qu'un mois > La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui a été fatale

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Je n'ai pas entendu que Debian 12 est instable et pose problèmes. Merci de m'indiquer comment s'est passé ce blème, d'un nouvel utilisateur non accepté par le bureau : upgrade, ré-installation... ? On Sunday 21 July 2024 14:08:25 Halbrante wrote: > J'ai été tenté par cette manip mais il y a une

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Mike (12024-07-21): > 1) lsmod | grep > > I conceed that doesn't actually indicate the kernel has changed, just > that the kernel module is missing. However, so far, it being missing > has consistent indicated a kernel change and rebuilding the driver on a > false positive isn't really an issue

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, J'ai été tenté par cette manip mais il y a une chose qui m'échappe, c'est pourquoi l'interface graphique des utilisateurs qui sont créées après l'installation n'est pas le même que celui qui est présenté pour celui qui a créé lors de l'installation. Je n’avais pas l'habitude de ces

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Jul 2024 12:43 +0100, from deb...@norgie.net (Mike): > I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to > be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off > with relative ease. > I thought that I'd just run it past the hive mind and see if anyone

Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Mike
Hi all, I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off with relative ease. The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in the running kernel. At the moment, it's detected by the

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour et merci de votre intervention. Je ne sais pas comment qualifier la situation : ce n'est pas un problème d'identification puisque l'utilisateur "jeff" a accès a son home et s’identifie sans problème dans une session ssh distante à partir d'une autre machine du réseau local Il ne

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Hello, En supprimant totalement en mode console le user qui ne veut pas de session graphique ainsi que son répertoire /home/user/ puis, reboot et réinstallation du user. Même démarche mais login graphique en mode root : Arriver sur le login graphique, wdm, xdm, lightdm... y a t-il une liste de

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > hede wrote: > > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > > System Information > > ... > > Wake-up Type: LAN Remote > > vs. > > Wake-up Type: Power Switch >

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Anssi Saari
Adam Weremczuk writes: > Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. > > What exactly shall I substitute: > > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf > > to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of >

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le vendredi 19 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait bien > jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible d'ouvrir une session > graphique de l’utilisateur créé à l'installation du système : après

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread testeur
tout est bon au niveau des droits de ce dossier... Si tu te connectes en ligne de commande (tty : ctrl + alt + f2) avec ton compte jeff, que te donne un : startxfce4 ? La question de didier gaumet sur la liste hier, au sujet de ce que contient le xsession-errors pourrait aussi donner une

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, hede wrote: > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > System Information > ... > Wake-up Type: LAN Remote > vs. > Wake-up Type: Power Switch The statement in man dmidecode "DMI (some say SMBIOS)" caused me

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread George at Clug
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing. Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, Merci pour la suggestion, voici ce que ça donne. J'ignore quels droits seraient les bons ! jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -al ~/.cache/sessions total 52 drwx--  3 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 00:00 . drwx-- 20 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 22:11 .. drwx--  2 jeff jeff 4096  8 juil. 21:39

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-21): > is it possible to remap keyboard to Dvorak in X Window? Yes, of course. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Debian+dvorak > does anyone use it > to speed up typing? No, only to feel smug. # Later experiments have shown

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread hlyg
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote: The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment and addicted to novelty is deadly. Add to

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread George at Clug
Adam, I dislike people to reply to my questions but do not answer the question, instead suggest I do something totally different. Please forgive me, as that is what I am about to do. I have had, what seems to me to be similar issue, my solution was to set up an authoritative BIND9 server on

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Kamil Jońca
Adam Weremczuk writes: > Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. > > What exactly shall I substitute: > > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > Eee. Nothing? --8<---cut here---start->8--- dpkg -L postfix|grep send /usr/sbin/sendmail

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Testeur
Peut être un problème de droit (comme énoncé sur la liste ) sur ce dossier : ls -al ~/.cache/sessions ? Le 20 juillet 2024 09:15:43 GMT+02:00, Halbrante a écrit : >C'est xfce4 > >Le 20/07/2024 à 07:25, Testeur a écrit : >> Sur quel afficheur graphique es tu ? >> Il m'est arrivé d'avoir un souci

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. What exactly shall I substitute: mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of sendmail? On 21/07/2024 08:08, Jeff

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Jeff Pang
Sendmail is too old to be supported. You may use postfix and exim instead. They are main stream MTA software today. On 2024-07-21 14:58, Adam Weremczuk wrote: This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS" thread. To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-21 Thread daggs
Greetings Kamil, > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 7:55 AM > From: "Kamil Jońca" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along > > daggs writes: > > > Greetings, > > > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run > > a

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-21 Thread daggs
Greetings George, >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM >From: "George at Clug" >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along >On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of

sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Adam Weremczuk
This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS" thread. To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single domain with both DNS and any other email traffic being disabled. A simple working solution that I've found for Postfix is: /etc/hosts 1.2.3.4example.com

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:15 AM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > > systems. > > Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to > Crowdstrike+Linux? > >

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:17:54AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > The CrowdStrike outage emulated the very thing it is alleged to protect > against - a zero day exploit. It was also a demonstration of a huge vulnerability. If $EvilActor were to get an agent employed at CrowdStrike/whoever then

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:46:24AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > A plug for SELinux. It's been around for a long time. It was invented by the > NSA for use by Government agencies but they kindly open sourced it and it's > available on many Distros including Debian. > > SELinux is a real pain to

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a computerized > system to run things also value what their MBA says. And since there is

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-20 Thread Kamil Jońca
daggs writes: > Greetings, > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a > specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for > normal users. > in comes pam+libcap. > so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/capability.conf with

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > systems. Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to Crowdstrike+Linux? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936 Nothing in

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Bret Busby
On 21/7/24 10:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: All this points to an incompetent board. If someone's head is going to be taken (figuratively), then it should start with the CEO and other executives. Yes. But, the people who should be sacked, with loss of benefits, are the board members and the

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: > > [...] > > The problem was not CrowdStrike as such. It happens in the best of > > operations. > > > > The problem is the Windows Systems

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote: > Greetings, > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for normal users. > in comes pam+libcap. > so I've installed libcap, updated

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 07:28, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Again lacking data center experience? Every server in your data center that is outward-facing will be contacted by intruders on its open ports. That includes your Debian servers. If your apache server or application server running on Debian is

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:57 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > > > wants to > > > > load a shared object library. > >

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 06:38, The Wanderer wrote: The first would be poor institutional practice; the others would be potentially-questionable software design, although it's hard to know without seeing the internal architecture of the software in question and understanding*why* it's designed that way.

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