From: David Wright
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 20:51:45 -0500
> What I didn't understand was why you had to have /root under /home,
> and indeed, when you later revealed your partition layout, it looked
> even less necessary, because you have /root on a different partition.
root@joule:/home/r
On Wed 11 May 2022 at 23:31:41 (-0700), Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> On 5/6/22 19:16, John Hasler wrote:
> > James H. H. Lampert writes:
> > > I started with a TRS-80 Model I myself (and with high school
> > > programming classes on an IBM 370/135 at the District Office, with
> > > terminals connected
On 5/6/22 19:16, John Hasler wrote:
James H. H. Lampert writes:
I started with a TRS-80 Model I myself (and with high school
programming classes on an IBM 370/135 at the District Office, with
terminals connected over a pair of multiplexed phone lines [and a
maximum terminal speed of 300 Baud])
On Fri 06 May 2022 at 09:24:35 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: David Wright
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
> > I can't understand this.
I'm not sure why you quoted this after three months without any
indication of its referent. What I didn't understand was why you
had t
On Saturday, 7 May 2022 21:41:33 EDT 황병희 wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs writes:
> > (... thanks ...)
> > If Microsoft disappeared in its entirety, I'd buy a case of
> > champagne and invite my friends over for a _major_ celebration.
> > ...
>
> That's a great idea!
>
> > I'm 71, and started my programmi
Charlie Gibbs writes:
> (... thanks ...)
> If Microsoft disappeared in its entirety, I'd buy a case of
> champagne and invite my friends over for a _major_ celebration.
> ...
That's a great idea!
> I'm 71, and started my programming career in 1970, five
> years before Microsoft existed. The ma
On Fri, 06 May 2022 19:30:01 +0200 gene heskett
wrote:
> On Friday, 6 May 2022 13:11:13 EDT Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:24:35AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm doing is similar to using DOS years ago; although DOS
>>> predates experience of most people re
James H. H. Lampert writes:
> I started with a TRS-80 Model I myself (and with high school
> programming classes on an IBM 370/135 at the District Office, with
> terminals connected over a pair of multiplexed phone lines [and a
> maximum terminal speed of 300 Baud]).
Punch cards and an IBM 1620 at
On 5/6/22 1:11 PM, Charles Curley wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. I got started with a KIM-I: 6502 running at 1 MHz,
just over 1 kilobyte of RAM. Six seven segment displays and a hex
keyboard for data entry. I still have one.
I remember *reading about* the KIM-I (and the Altair, and a few others)
in
On Fri, 06 May 2022 09:24:35 -0700
pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> although DOS
> predates experience of most people reading now.
Maybe, maybe not. I got started with a KIM-I: 6502 running at 1 MHz,
just over 1 kilobyte of RAM. Six seven segment displays and a hex
keyboard for data entry. I still hav
Thomas Schmitt wrote on 5/6/22 13:24:
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers on
this list.
Huh ? ... What ? ... Age ? ... Whom do you call old ?
I am 83. First desktop was an IBM PC running IBM DOS Version
1, I think. Also saw my firs
On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 08:24:49PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers on
> > this list.
>
> Huh ? ... What ? ... Age ? ... Whom do you call old ?
I never used the word "old".
> Since most of the po
Le 06/05/2022 à 20:24, Thomas Schmitt a écrit :
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers on
this list.
Huh ? ... What ? ... Age ? ... Whom do you call old ?
VIC-20 users don't get old.
Since most of the posters here are of over average age
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers on
> this list.
Huh ? ... What ? ... Age ? ... Whom do you call old ?
VIC-20 users don't get old.
Since most of the posters here are of over average age we should immediately
drop the whole concept i
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE (12022-05-06):
> > I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers
> > on this list.
> yeah, I started with CP/M on Z80
You need to be very old to have used these machines indeed, but probably
not old enough to change the average age of a list with thousan
On Freitag, 6. Mai 2022 13:11:13 -04 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:24:35AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > What I'm doing is similar to using DOS years ago; although DOS
> > predates experience of most people reading now.
>
> I think you're vastly underestimating the average
On Friday, 6 May 2022 13:11:13 EDT Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:24:35AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > What I'm doing is similar to using DOS years ago; although DOS
> > predates experience of most people reading now.
>
> I think you're vastly underestimating the average
On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:24:35AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> What I'm doing is similar to using DOS years ago; although DOS
> predates experience of most people reading now.
I think you're vastly underestimating the average age of subscribers on
this list.
From: David Wright
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
> I can't understand this.
In a freshly installed Debian, /etc/passwd sets the home directory for
root at /root. Here /etc/passwd sets the home directory for root at
/home/root. No problem observed.
> You may hit snags. Some pro
On 2022-02-11 19:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Jo, 10 feb 22, 11:11:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, February 09, 2022 06:08:16 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I've switched to using sudo because it encourages me to use root only
> when strictly required.
That's a good idea, but I'll menti
On Thu 10 Feb 2022 at 20:26:57 (+), Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:11:01 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 09, 2022 06:08:16 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > I've switched to using sudo because it encourages me to use root
> > > only when strictly required.
> >
>
On Jo, 10 feb 22, 11:11:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 09, 2022 06:08:16 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > I've switched to using sudo because it encourages me to use root only
> > when strictly required.
>
> That's a good idea, but I'll mention what I do -- I may have started b
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:36:10 -0500
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> That makes me curious about what has been done to your system, which
> is clearly behaving differently from mine. "su" with no arguments
> preserves the environment, but "su -" establishes a new environment
> and launches a login shell.
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 06:37:04PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > root@joule:~# su peter
> > peter@joule:~$ firefox-esr --display=:0
> > Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Could not connect:
> > Connection refused
> > Error: cannot open display: :0
> >
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 07:36:10AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 09:48:40PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
[...]
> > So I expect that something has already done the export for me, and it
> > is unnecessary.
>
> unicorn:~$ echo "$XAUTHORITY"
> /home/greg/.Xauthority
> unicor
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 09:48:40PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> Interesting. I routinely log in as my non-root user, charles, and then
> 'su -', which gets me a root shell. I can then run X programs just
> fine. So your comment above got me curious.
>
> charles@jhegaala:~/Desktop$ su -
> Passwor
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:27:22 -0500
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> In the more usual scenario, you have started X as peter, and then used
> su to become root. It is precisely at this point where the X auth
> token has become lost, as it's in the home directory of peter, not
> the home directory of root.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 06:37:04PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> root@joule:~# su peter
> peter@joule:~$ firefox-esr --display=:0
> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUnable to init server: Could not connect:
> Connection refused
> Error: cannot open display: :0
>
> peter, logged in directly, can
From: David Wright
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
Message-Id:
> You may hit snags. Some programs might refuse to run, or do
> strange things because they're written to distinguish between
> root and an ordinary user.
After 5+ days, hit one snag.
root@joule:~# su peter
peter@jou
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 11:11:01 -0500
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 09, 2022 06:08:16 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > I've switched to using sudo because it encourages me to use root
> > only when strictly required.
>
> That's a good idea, but I'll mention what I do -- I may have
On Wednesday, February 09, 2022 06:08:16 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I've switched to using sudo because it encourages me to use root only
> when strictly required.
That's a good idea, but I'll mention what I do -- I may have started before
sudo existed (or, at least, before I knew about it).
I u
On Vi, 04 feb 22, 10:34:38, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
>
> root@joule:/root# df | grep sd
> /dev/sda27159288 6635136140768 98% /
> /dev/sda4 131124764 12951820 111512132 11% /home
> /dev/sdb13658244 2026200 1446196 59% /home/root/MY
>
> Note that / is 98% full wherea
On Fri 04 Feb 2022 at 21:41:24 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: David Wright
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
> > But hey, it could be quite exciting, like carrying a cocked
> > revolver tucked into your waistband. One casual typo, one
> > misplaced space, and you can blow a
From: David Wright
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
> But hey, it could be quite exciting, like carrying a cocked
> revolver tucked into your waistband. One casual typo, one
> misplaced space, and you can blow away a whole disk.
System destruction is exasperating. Lapse in security i
"One-user" is probably the correct grammar.
David,
From: David Wright
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:08:28 -0600
> And it's been designed with that in mind. Debian hasn't.
I wondered whether others had worked out a recipe for single-user. In
fact, yes, there's DebianDog. References 7 and 8
From: john doe
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 08:04:28 +0100
> I must say, I concur with others in this thread on not removing a single
> non-root user.
Right oh; I don't aim to remove my original ordinary user account.
> If you do not want the regular user, you can simply lock/disable it.
Or ju
On Tue 01 Feb 2022 at 11:47:35 (-0800), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: john doe
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:02 +0100
> > If my understanding is correct, you will need to use 'sudo'.
>
> Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
>
> Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
And it's been d
On 2/1/2022 8:47 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
From: john doe
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:02 +0100
If my understanding is correct, you will need to use 'sudo'.
Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
If you do not want the regular user, you can simply lock/disable it.
This way you can
On 2022-02-01 20:01, Nate Bargmann wrote:
I must be the odd one out as I interpreted the OP as having set a root
password but now wanting to remove it so as to have just the main user
set to do root's work and that root can no longer log in directly. I
hope the OP can clarify!
I guess that wou
* On 2022 01 Feb 14:09 -0600, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On 2022-02-01 14:47, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
> >
> > Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
> >
> > To make debian one-user I think of
> ...
> >
> > Then proceed as root rather than me.
>
> Oh! Is y
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 15:08:44 -0500
Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I can't think of a case where you'd want to remove all non root users
> though...
The only use case I can think of is if you want all the security of
Windows 95.
Don't do this. There are excellent reasons to separate system
administrat
On Tue 01 Feb 2022 at 15:08:44 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On 2022-02-01 14:47, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> > Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
> >
> > Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
> >
> > To make debian one-user I think of
> ...
> >
> > Then proceed as root rather than me.
>
> Oh!
On 2022-02-01 14:47, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
To make debian one-user I think of
...
Then proceed as root rather than me.
Oh! Is your goal to only have root? I assumed you wanted to login as
root, but didn't confi
On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 11:47:35AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: john doe
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:02 +0100
> > If my understanding is correct, you will need to use 'sudo'.
>
> Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
>
> Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
>
> To make d
From: john doe
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:02 +0100
> If my understanding is correct, you will need to use 'sudo'.
Thanks. Still a multi-user system.
Whereas puppy linux has one user, root.
To make debian one-user I think of
mkdir /home/root ; cp -r /root/* /home/root ; rm -r /root
On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 10:11:25AM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Hi,
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Root states,
>
> "At installation time, you are asked whether you want to use the root account
> or not.
> ...
> If not, no root account is enabled and the password of the first user created
>
On 2022-02-01 13:29, john doe wrote:
If my understanding is correct, you will need to use 'sudo'.
Yes.
sudo passwd
Should allow you so set a password for root.
It will ask for your password first (if you haven't run sudo recently),
and then new password for root and confirmation of that pa
On 2/1/2022 7:11 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
Hi,
https://wiki.debian.org/Root states,
"At installation time, you are asked whether you want to use the root account
or not.
...
If not, no root account is enabled and the password of the first user created will
be used for administration tas
Hi,
https://wiki.debian.org/Root states,
"At installation time, you are asked whether you want to use the root account
or not.
...
If not, no root account is enabled and the password of the first user created
will be used for administration tasks."
Are instructions to configure that post ins
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