Reply to list (was: Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails))

2007-03-18 Thread Paul Scott
Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Michael. You don’t need another client since Thunderbird/Icedove has an extension[0] which enables you to reply to list only. I’m using it for a long time now. Don’t worry about the patch mentioned on the site, it’s already in Debian’s Thunderbird/Icedove package[1].

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:10:41 +0100 Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had bad experiences with Kubuntu myself. I convinced my > > brother to try it, but it would freeze at loading KDE. He was > > pretty disappointed and gave up. Now I want to give it another try > > with etch as I am

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: >> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 >> Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out >>> myself, I

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-15 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Andrei Popescu [Tue, Feb 06 2007, 10:43:32PM]: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > > myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default > > curses insta

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Joe Hart
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my tex

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:59:01PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: > Many of the posts contain good ideas, and I changed some of the ideas I > expressed in my post as a result. For example, I used "brain dead user" > (BDU) at first to refer to myself, but further in my text I used it to > refer to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Ken Heard
Michael, Thank you for your positive response to my "Attracting newbies" post, which really started the fork from "Booting Debian/testing fails". The original post from Terrence Brannon generated 59 responses including mine; whereas there have been so far 96 responses since my post. If n

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:30:21AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: [..] > I've been using Debian (Sid) exclusively for 4-5 years now. However, as > I've posted elsewhere on this list, when I bought a new Thinkpad Z61M > last week I had a lot of problems with getting Sid to work properly. The > wirel

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 09:51:30AM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-09 Thread David Hart
On Thu 2007-02-08 09:54:28 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > Snipped from my config.py: > > > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > > # 0: Call /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail. > > SMTP_SEND = 1 > > SMTP_SERVER = "jyn

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:03:01PM -0500 or thereabouts, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > News to me -- I've always used the package or application name. As an > > aside, I thought that new applications for Linux were encouraged to use > > Info for documentation ... > > Info is what the FSF is

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:54:28AM -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > [ ...] > > > Snipped fr

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:28:33PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: [ ...] > Snipped from my config.py: > > # 1: Use SMTP_SERVER to send mail. > # 0: Cal

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > As for the newbie documentation, we should definitely get something > together. Everyone who is interested email me at my personal emailing > just to say "Aie!". Drop me an AIM/MSN/Jabber contact so I can reach you > beyond email if possible. > I'm in. Ciao, Dave s

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-08 Thread M-L
On Thursday 08 February 2007 01:59, Celejar shared this with us all: >--} On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 >--} Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--} >--} [snip] >--} >--} > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me >--} > personally, and email it to the list also (Se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 13:57, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> >>> If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP >>> would be the best

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 15:57:07 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > Ehh? For such a simple program I think it's well documented. 'man r2e' > > and the self documented config file ~/.rss2email/config.py should > > tell you all you

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:22:01PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: { ...} using fetchmail/procmail to get RSS. > That's what I do, into its own folder. > > > I just grabbed it, the documentation is non existent. :( > > Ehh? For such a

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:20:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > If I were to transform my firewall machine in a mailserver then IMAP > > would be the best choice to access it. > > That's the *second worst* place to put it. > please enlighten. I am i

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 13:57:42 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > [ ...] > > > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/se

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your > > mail to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, > > or even >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Or if you feel brave, mutt-ng from experimental. I you set up your mail > to use Maildir than you can switch mail clients with problems, or even

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:26:44PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: [ ...] > > Does it do mbox format and are URLs included ? > > It delivers either via smtp or /usr/sbin/sendmail, not directly to > a mail store. Hm OK Then I use say pro

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 12:47:55 -0500, Stephen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > > > > For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. > > Looks great -- Without looking at the package, just a couple quick > questions; > > Does it do mb

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 11:31, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? >>> Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking >>> to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:01:00PM + or thereabouts, David Hart wrote: > On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > > > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > > use mutt though. ;)

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, why don't you implement IMAP? > > > > Because at the moment it's all on the same computer. I am thinking > > to go for IMAP as soon as I get my firewall back on line (hdd is > > down), > > Ah, a secu

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 10:36, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:5

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread David Hart
On Wed 2007-02-07 11:33:24 -0500, Stephen wrote: > Of course since you're using T-Bird for e-mail, it would check the RSS > feeds at the same time it polls for e-mail. I really wish I could > use mutt though. ;) For the few RSS feeds that I need to read I use 'rss2email'. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 17:33: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: >>> On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > >>> ? It require

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:56:14 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > I am planing to write som

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 05:08:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > ? It requires more than Enigmail. > > No,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 15:21: > On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala >>> wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:32:02 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > see how the turnout is; If anyone else is interested email me > personally, and email it to the list also (Send two separate emails > though, otherwise it won't pass my email filters. I'm interested. Celejar

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 12:09:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Stephen. > > Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > > wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/07 02:39, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > I am planing to write something similar, but without the IMAP bit > (which should be trivial to implement in my setup)

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 05:04:31PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Okay, let's get back on topic. So far I have five other people who are > interested in working on this documentation, I'm hoping to get a few > more writers than editors before we begin (So far I believe 4/5 people > who signed up

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. Stephen, 07.02.2007 03:45: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala > wrote: >> Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: >>> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>> Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client >>> to use for mailing li

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > [snip] > I also sort of feel the same as some others have expressed on this > thread about Ubuntu leaving them cold. It does me too. I've tried it a > couple of times and I've always been left feeling that the OS was > "dumbed down". Sort of like

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 06 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >> > >>I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply > >>All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. > >> > >> > >Most

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:11:54 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with one > > > another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and Icedove if > > > possible. Any chance you have a URL to a walkthrough/HowTo on how > > > to

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:50, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> [...] >> >> > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? Free? Do it yourself. Register with dyndns.org and install courier-imap-ssl. http://www.fastmail.fm/ mig

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:05:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >>> > >> Unless you forged that mail header. > >> > > > > LOL Trust me Ron, it's not forged. :-P > > > > I use Exim4 to send to SMARTHOST Google, and fetchmail/procmail to fetch > > and pro

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > [...] > > Hmm...Now all I need is a good (Free) host with IMAP. Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:30, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> Do you mean that you have all of your mailboxes synced with > >>> one another? I'd love to be able to do that with Mutt and > >>> Icedove if possible. Any chance you have a URL to a > >>> walkthrough/HowTo on how to do something like that? > >> No, no, no. > >> > >> ONE mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 22:11, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > >>> Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > >> Johnson wrote: > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue,

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:54, Michael Pobega wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron >> Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >>>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Stephen wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron > Johnson wrote: > >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael > Pobega wrote: > >

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:54:54PM +, Chris Lale wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >>I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against > >>Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in U

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 21:05, Michael Pobega wrote: > Stephen wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Patterson
Michael Pobega wrote: > I don't mind not getting geek creds. > C'mon, Mutt's fun! Ciao, Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega >>> wrote: >>> >>

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:44:38PM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega > > wrote: > >> John K Masters wrote: > > > >>> PS if yo

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:43:32PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/07 20:37, Stephen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: >> John K Masters wrote: > >>> PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt >>> >> As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:45:09PM -0500 or thereabouts, Michael Pobega wrote: > John K Masters wrote: > >PS if you have the time and patience try Mutt > > > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Jason White
On 2007-02-06, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I know I've read that Mutt doesn't work well with Gmail; And > seeing as my main/only e-mail account is gmail, I can't use Mutt :-( You can use Fetchmail to retrieve all of your mail using POP3 or IMAP. Once it is delivered to y

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:41:00PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: > Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote > long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Lk 6-36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:17:15PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > The reason for having a graphical installer is that there currently is no way > to support some languages with just an ncurses based installer. I believe > this is the main reason why we have a graphical installer and why i

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Real geeks use mailx. > Pfft. *Real* geeks telnet to port 25 on the destination mail server and type the entire SMTP session manually :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 06:18:27PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > Real geeks use mailx. Real geeks know how to trim their mail, so they don't need to quote long messages in their entirety for a one line reply. Steve -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:50:23PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + > John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 14:43, Michael Pobega wrote: > I would hate to see a graphical installer for Debian. I think the curses > installer does just fine, a graphical installer would only bring in > people thinking that Debian is Windows. The reason for having a graphical installer is that th

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > Etch has a GUI installer, really? I never noticed it. > Read those syslinux.cfg pages. you can get gui, the default curses, or even readline for use with really dumb terminals, like a teletype on serial. D

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kamaraju Kusumanchi
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 16:35, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I > have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with > @lists.debian.org to my Debian mai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Michael. > > Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll get out

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:39:41 + John K Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> I always thou

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
John K Masters wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll g

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Michael. Michael Pobega, 06.02.2007 22:35: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: >>> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply >>> All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. >>> >> Most decen

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:35:22PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > Using icedove at the moment, can you suggest to me a better mail client > to use for mailing list *and* personal email on the same account? (I > have Icedove/Thunderbird set to filter out all mail with > @lists.debian.org to my

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:35:22 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >> > >> I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as > >> "Reply All", but I'll get out of that ha

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. Most decent mail programs have a "list reply" button or function that

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 04:28:44PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > I always thought you were supposed to respond to messages as "Reply > All", but I'll get out of that habit. Sorry about that. > Most decent mail programs have a "list reply" button or function that correctly identifies the mail

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I h

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:58:10 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > >> myself, I haven't got the

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: [...] I've been reading the last 30 or so posts on this thread with some interest. Tried going to newbiedoc site but it never responded when I tried to connect. Berlios can be a little temperamental - i suspect server maintenance. "Try agai

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or 'exp

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Chris Lale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:08:53PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: I agree with you, I'm not one of those people who are completely against Ubuntu; I think just anything you can accomplish in Ubuntu you can accomplish in Debian, and probably more effectively/easily.

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:11 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is the graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out > myself, I haven't got the chance (I just used NetInstall's default > curses installer). Just boot with 'installgui' or 'expertgui'. I've had bad exper

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:06:11PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > My mail was mostly directed at LiveCD installers though, not graphical > installers in general (Sorry if I didn't specify this). Where is the > graphical installer, anyway? I'd love to try it out myself, I haven't > got the cha

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread John K Masters
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:20:15 -0600 Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > Debian is a rock solid operating system that is best used for > servers, or by experienced users that know how to shape it into a > flexible desktop. > > I personally think this is an excellent image to have. The

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, o

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:43:58 -0500 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could the installer be made easier for someone who is not very > > curious? I suppose so but I would absolutely hate seeing Debian go > > the way of Ubuntu. I'd probably move to Slackware, a *BSD, or > > Gentoo if

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
Freddy Freeloader wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Referring to it as Sid seems like a good idea to me, but really no matter what it will be referred to as Unstable by the community; Which will probably just scare users away. The way I see it, is that the Debian mainsite shows that 3.1 Stable (Cur

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:40:25 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andre

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Freddy Freeloader
Michael Pobega wrote: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: The one thing I really don't understand, though, is why people use Ubuntu. bleh. responsing anyway... I return to the example of my mom. Many people don't want to "update"

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Dustin
Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi; I'm just now looking into installing debian on my laptop to test it out. I'm not a newbie to Linux - I've run Redhat, Fedora, Mandrake and SuSE over the past several years. However I am a newbie per debian and/or debian based distros. I would be interested in adding

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:33:13PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 > > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL P

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:42:03 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 > > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip proposed changes to installer] > > > > I t

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:52:37AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip proposed changes to installer] > > I think you talk about the sarge installer. Did you try the latest > etch? I have the 'kde' image and

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin Kempter
On Monday 05 February 2007 16:23, Michael Pobega wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:08:53 -0500 > > > > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't plan on heading this documentation, though. I just want to > >> try to get everyone involved in it, because I feel at

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 07:45:17PM +, Chris Lale wrote: > Michael Pobega wrote: > >Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >[...] I think in reality Debian doesn't cater to a lot of people's needs > > On the other hand, there must be a lot of people who would find Debian a > great solution if only t

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip proposed changes to installer] I think you talk about the sarge installer. Did you try the latest etch? I have the 'kde' image and it is pretty close to what you describe. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't ex

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:18:54 -0800 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 06:43:14PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > > > And yet, just saying "Windows is dangerous" doesn't say anything > > about why or how you should use Linux, nor does it say anything > > about whi

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-06 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 05 Feb 2007, Michael Pobega wrote: [snip] > > I don't mean to change the subject, but I myself used Ubuntu because I > felt that Debian was way too outdated for me. Then after multiple system > breakages I decided to just switch over to Debian, and it ended up > working fine. Debian has a

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 06:43:14PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > And yet, just saying "Windows is dangerous" doesn't say anything about > why or how you should use Linux, nor does it say anything about which > Linux distro you should use, nor why Linux would be a better choice than > OS X for thes

Re: Attracting newbies (Was Booting Debian/testing fails)

2007-02-05 Thread Michael M.
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:15:44 -0800 "Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the issue people aren't addressing in this thread is one of goals. Most people who use Windows are not much more than novices or advanced beginners with respect to the intricacies of Win

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