I probably shouldn't prolong this thread but...
Maybe this cartoon will help:
https://blog.toggl.com/save-princess-8-programming-languages/
More seriously, I was recently asked which languages to learn and I
wrote up a list of what I thought was important. See below.
On 18/10/2019 03:33, Turrito
Dan Ritter wrote:
> deloptes wrote:
>> SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but
>> well.
>
> For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied
> scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security
> holes they were creating.
>
> Sometime in
deloptes wrote:
> SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but well.
For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied
scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security
holes they were creating.
Sometime in the last five years or so, the PHP c
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
> > needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they
> > want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require
> > of an applicant.
>
> Especially amusi
On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 09:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> deloptes writes:
> > SQL comes everywhere handy...
>
> SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language
> (likewise HTML).
About 20 years ago I wrote and tested a match-merge update program with
(as I remember) the then
On 2019-10-19 08:11, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Have a nice day :)
cheers
mick
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On Saturday 19 October 2019 08:38:15 John Hasler wrote:
> Joe quotes:
> > "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> > understand your application."
>
> Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum.
>
> I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA 1
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:34:06 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the
> > frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary
> > CMS (C for both content and customer) systems. Nobody ever asks for
> > basic programm
Thomas D Dial writes:
> FORTRAN is somewhat similar, but has a smaller, more stable, and mors
> specialized application space and often, I think, is maintained by the
> successors of the program users who wrote it originally. A good deal
> of it may, by now, have been replaced by C, C++, Python, or
On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 09:48 +0200, deloptes wrote:
> James H. H. Lampert wrote:
>
> > The OP wanted this treated as a survey, and so . . .
> >
> > Many dialects and derivatives of BASIC, including (but not limited
> > to)
> > IBM VS-BASIC (ran on 370 and compatible mainframes), TRS-80 Level 1,
>
deloptes writes:
> SQL comes everywhere handy...
SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language
(likewise HTML).
If you *do* consider HTML a programming language the crawling horrors
that most Web sites send out make the worst BASIC spaghetti balls look
like something out
On 10/19/2019 08:26 AM, deloptes wrote:
[SNIP]
SQL comes
everywhere handy, because you have to store the data somewhere - but still
there is difference between Oracle, MySQL/MariaDB or sqlite. Each one has
its advantages and disadvantages - and SQL for the one is likely not
compatible with SQL fo
Joe wrote:
> And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the
> frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary CMS
> (C for both content and customer) systems. Nobody ever asks for basic
> programming skills.
You are sooo right, but one must understand the lang
Joe wrote:
> Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? It was 45 years ago, but
> I still remember...
Indeed - I have the feeling here only people from the home for the elderly
(Seniorenheim) are posting - BASIC, COBOL, PASCAL ... OMG
Though I must admit there were some good posts around -
Joe quotes:
> "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> understand your application."
Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum.
I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA 1802.
You can do a lot more with 8 bit integers than seems possible at
Joe writes:
> Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
> needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they
> want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require
> of an applicant.
Especially amusing are the ads that demand five ye
Hi,
Joe wrote:
> "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> understand your application."
+0.9
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:09:06 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> John Hasler wrote:
> > > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
>
> Joe wrote:
> > Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings?
>
> 212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for
> problems which you can solve b
Hi,
John Hasler wrote:
> > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
Joe wrote:
> Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings?
212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for problems
which you can solve by representing everything as homogeneous coordinates
and then computing the result by
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:34:57 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover.
>
And then you say:
> FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? It was 45 years ago, but
I still remember...
--
Joe
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:50:29 +0100
Brian wrote:
>
> > Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
>
> Nobody has answered the question yet.
>
Because there isn't an answer.
Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
needs to do) to see the enormous
Brian wrote:
> You, and everybody else, may as well have skipped the whole post and
> saved the List from wasting bandwidth. I ask you
>
> > This is just a quick survey.
>
> Really?
>
> > I am considering being a programmer
>
> Wowee.
>
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii
>
> Jellyfish. Hard to gras
James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> The OP wanted this treated as a survey, and so . . .
>
> Many dialects and derivatives of BASIC, including (but not limited to)
> IBM VS-BASIC (ran on 370 and compatible mainframes), TRS-80 Level 1,
> Level 2, and Mod I Disk BASIC, GWBASIC, and the various QBASICs
> (
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated
> C) is more readable than APL.
I am not sure if it makes sense to compare a modern car engine with one
constructed 150y ago.
Hi,
i wrote:
> > The overall design paradigm is object oriented but without fancy stuff
> > like overloading or inheritance. Encapsulation and aggregation must
> > suffice.
mick crane wrote:
> This is interesting topic for me but don't know what these words
> "overloading or inheritance. Encapsul
On 18/10/2019 15:33, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
How long will it take for me to master a programming language like
C++, Java, and Python?
Mastery is a hi
On Friday, October 18, 2019 06:33:19 PM Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> Perl is a whole lot more readable than APL.
Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated C)
is more readable than APL.
The OP wanted this treated as a survey, and so . . .
Many dialects and derivatives of BASIC, including (but not limited to)
IBM VS-BASIC (ran on 370 and compatible mainframes), TRS-80 Level 1,
Level 2, and Mod I Disk BASIC, GWBASIC, and the various QBASICs
(QuickBASIC and QBX). (I took one loo
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 23:34, John Hasler wrote:
> I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover.
It's not all that bad.
At my first place of employment, we ran WATERLOO BASIC (from the
University of Waterloo) for students to learn how to program.
This was on an IBM mainfra
Thomas writes:
> The only right way is to work down from a BASIC on ROM, which is said
> to have in part been coded by William Henry Gates III himself, to a
> self-made assembler, and then back to Rocky Mountain BASIC on HP
> desktops. Finally you move to a Unix workstation (16 MHz and 4 MB of
> R
This discussion is spammed across a whole bunch of linux dstro mail lists.
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 19:56, ghe wrote:
> Pascal teaches you to think good thoughts. It's was a wonderful language
> to learn back in the late 1970s.
Yes, or Algol...
> Perl's mantra is "There's more than one way to do
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 23:22:37 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > [...] and I learned to use BASIC.
>
> And ? Any recognizable damage left ? :o)
>
> > (This was in the days when we had
> > an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was
> > 1500 miles away!
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 13:26:03 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
>
> On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> > > Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> > >
> > > This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming langu
On 2019-10-18 22:22, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
But with a text editor i write a description in form of C structures
and function stubs, which i fill by remarks to roughly describe what
to have or to do where and when. Already during this design stage i use
as much compilable C code as possible to de
Hi,
Doug McGarrett wrote:
> [...] and I learned to use BASIC.
And ? Any recognizable damage left ? :o)
> (This was in the days when we had
> an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was
> 1500 miles away!)
I had a color tv and a VIC-20 on the couch table.
> Later, I learne
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03 -0400
Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> >> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> >>
> >> This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages
> >>
On 10/18/19 11:44 AM, hdv@gmail wrote:
> On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but
>> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version
>> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good.
>
> Forgive me
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03
> From: Doug McGarrett
> To: Dan Ritter ,
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> Resent-D
On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote:
...
> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but
> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version
> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good.
Forgive me for barging in, but I just had to answer that.
Sure t
On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
How long will it
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
>
> This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
> you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
> How long will it take for me to master a programming l
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