Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-05-09 Thread Will Mengarini
* Andrei POPESCU [21-03/12=Fr 17:51 +0200]: > When Facebook was in its infancy (at least in my country) > they were spamming my e-mail inviting me to join [...] I wanted to know what "my country" designated, so ... - `g Andrei POPESCU` --- Andrei Popescu is a Romanian lawyer and a judge

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-05-08 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sat, May 8, 2021, 7:22 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 mar 21, 09:55:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-05-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 21 mar 21, 09:55:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. > > Day to day work (mes

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 05:54:05PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > > to be happy with DDG. > > > > Don't try to insult. Me? How so? > If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK Always so competitiv

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > to be happy with DDG. > Don't try to insult. If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK > To me, honestly, this is a feature, not a bug. > I don't care - it does not delivery good search results

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Curt
On 2021-05-02, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german > and english language. Ich spreche kein deutsch. Here in France I got mainly Alfred from both search engines, with a few birds peeping through further down. > Have a nice day :) > >

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 > wrote: > > (...) > > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > > request header. Would be nice i

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 wrote: (...) > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > request header. Would be nice if there were a way to set that > per-request... when I just try to search for "l

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:20:25PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows > > With Javascript off: > 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz > 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz > 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stiegli

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows With Javascript off: 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stieglitz Snyder Architecture, Christine Stieglitz Quite random choice, but no

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 01:20:03PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > > how it

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
On Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 07:20:03 -04 Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to > > know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to > > know how it l

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 deloptes wrote: (...) > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > how it looks like. DDG results did not even come close to a bird. this I cannot reprodu

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread tomas
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:03:04AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 > wrote: > > [...no javaxcript] > > I certainly agree with that goal, but I currently disable analytics via > uBlock Origin, pi-hole, etc.) Disabling JS breaks a lot of (useful) > stuff as collateral da

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 wrote: ... > Thetis seems to be paying for Google, in one currency or another. For > one, fonts and jquery get downloaded directly from googleapis.com, so > Big G gets a tug each time someone hits their page. Then, they embed > Google analytics scripts in their

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread tomas
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:05:22PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:49:56 -0300 > riveravaldez wrote: [...] > > I have no idea if this Thetis business is pretty popular or well-know (first > > time I heard about them), but: couldn't be maybe that Thetis paid for some > > G

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-28 Thread tomas
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:05:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: [...] > > Could you give an example where DDG fails and Google succeeds? > > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DD

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-28 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-23 Thread Brian
On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 21:21:32 +0200, ellanios82 wrote: > On 3/23/21 5:51 PM, Viktor Vogel wrote: > > An observation from a native English speaker - > > > > I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly > > good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I foun

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-23 Thread ellanios82
On 3/23/21 5:51 PM, Viktor Vogel wrote: An observation from a native English speaker - I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it much more difficult than Chinese. Chinese has different sounds,

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-23 Thread Curt
On 2021-03-23, Viktor Vogel wrote: > An observation from a native English speaker - > > I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly > good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it > much more difficult than Chinese. > I remember seeing an inter

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-23 Thread Viktor Vogel
An observation from a native English speaker - I've lived and worked in the Republic of China, and had gotten a fairly good grasp of Mandarin. In my experience tackling Russian I found it much more difficult than Chinese. Chinese has different sounds, and tones that need to be mastered, but

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 23-03-2021 06:06, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic >> roots. > > You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? > And I mean not only speaking, but also writing Yes, once you understand the

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread John Hasler
deloptes writes: > You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than > French? I have no experience with Chinese but I found Russian harder than French (though I've pretty much forgotten both). -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread deloptes
Weaver wrote: > Not an easy language to learn, however, unless you already have Slavic > roots. You mean Chinese is easier than Russian and Russian is harder than French? And I mean not only speaking, but also writing

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 23-03-2021 05:47, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> Yes. >> But, once there, far better to learn the language. >> The resultant experience is well worth it. >> The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. >> Cheers! > > I was thinking to go to Chech Republic or Russia -

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread deloptes
Weaver wrote: > Yes. > But, once there, far better to learn the language. > The resultant experience is well worth it. > The money is not the same, but the cost of living is much lower. > Cheers! I was thinking to go to Chech Republic or Russia - found the language easier, but thanks anyway - wil

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 22-03-2021 19:00, deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > >> They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, >> it's a fast way to learn. > > you mean I can look for a position in China without knowing Chinese? Yes. But, once there, far better to learn the language. The resu

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:20:02 + (UTC) Long Wind wrote: > > term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same > as other legitimate  government, i.e. elected by people its true > nature is criminal group, as described in bill by US senator > All governments are criminal g

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread deloptes
Weaver wrote: > They have some excellent language schools and, being surrounded by it, > it's a fast way to learn. you mean I can look for a position in China without knowing Chinese?

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 22-03-2021 18:13, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, >> this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in >> china? > > my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread deloptes
Long Wind wrote: > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, > this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in > china? my problem is the language, otherwise we could switch for couple of years to exchange experience

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Larry Martell
LOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:49 PM Long Wind wrote: > where do you live? most rich Chinese are considering emigration to West, > this is called vote by feet. how many people in West come to live in china? > I know quite a few Chinese people who lived in the US for 5-8 years and could have easily s

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread John Hasler
deloptes writes: > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing You think you know what China is doing. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 22-03-2021 16:49, Long Wind wrote: > On Monday, March 22, 2021, 2:20:20 PM GMT+8, deloptes > wrote: > > The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you > do not > > know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and > many > > many others) it is the

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-22 Thread Weaver
On 22-03-2021 16:19, deloptes wrote: > Long Wind wrote: > >> term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as >> other legitimate  government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is >> criminal group, as described in bill by US senator > > The difference as said is, that

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Long Wind
On Monday, March 22, 2021, 2:20:20 PM GMT+8, deloptes wrote: The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not know what USA is doing. The moment you speak out (Assange, Snowden and many many others) it is the same as China. China is bad, but the illusion of democr

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread deloptes
Long Wind wrote: > term Chinese government is quite misleadingit's used as if it's same as > other legitimate  government, i.e. elected by people its true nature is > criminal group, as described in bill by US senator The difference as said is, that you know what China is doing, but you do not kn

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Weaver
On 22-03-2021 11:20, Long Wind wrote: > deloptes wrote: > > Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is > impossible to > > stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the > fact > > they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. > > I

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Long Wind
 deloptes wrote: Well, they are brain washed - in a sense they know that it is impossible to stand up against and also might be not wise, because proven is the fact they manage things better than neighbor India or developed Europe. I wanted to avoid being criticized for praising China. can yo

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Joe
On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:33:50 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Weaver wrote: > > > > I was in China at the time, and it was far from > > `totalitarian/militant'. The people just played it smart, as they > > also did in New Zealand, which was also not > > `totalitarian/militant'. > > Well, they are b

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread deloptes
Weaver wrote: > On 21-03-2021 20:39, deloptes wrote: >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I >>> apologise for that. >>> >>> I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for >>> others to be able to send you enc

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Weaver
On 21-03-2021 20:39, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I >> apologise for that. >> >> I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for >> others to be able to send you encrypted messages. >> >> O

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I > apologise for that. > > I'm sure you do know that the public key needs to be made available for > others to be able to send you encrypted messages. > > Of course the *primary* private key should be p

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 20 mar 21, 19:11:07, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > > democratic country. > > > > And you disappoint me here too - you believe i

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 20 mar 21, 19:03:58, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Good luck in doing public key cryptography without publishing the public > > key :) > > Andrei - you disappoint me here! In hindsight, what was meant as a joke probably came out as mocking, I apologise for that. I'm sur

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Weaver
On 21-03-2021 17:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun Mar 21 00:01:59 2021 Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make >>> sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular >>> users in democratic country. >> >> Reminds me of the sayin

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-21 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Sun Mar 21 00:01:59 2021 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make >> sense for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular >> users in democratic country. > > Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was > t

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-20 Thread deloptes
Stefan Monnier wrote: > Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was > that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda. Exactly - this part is absolutely the same. The difference is in the methods. There it was wellknown, here - not until internet came out ... or

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > democratic country. Reminds me of the saying that the difference between USA and USSR was that in USSR the population knew that it was propaganda.

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-20 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In my (not so humble) opinion, this level of security could make sense > for a disident in a totalitarian state, less so for regular users in > democratic country. > And you disappoint me here too - you believe in illusion of democracy, which is not so obvious as i.e. in

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-20 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Good luck in doing public key cryptography without publishing the public > key :) Andrei - you disappoint me here!

Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 19 mar 21, 00:54:08, deloptes wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to > > communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed to configure my > > safe not-internet-connected machine to participate. > > do you think it is po

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread deloptes
Celejar wrote: > I certainly agree that they aren't "perfectly comparable or even the > same," and I certainly do trust open source software considerably more. > I was just objecting to absolutist claims that non-open source software > is completely untrustworthy - claims such as yours that trusti

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:53:13 -0300 riveravaldez wrote: > On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: ... > > (...) The bottom line: no, I don't "know" that WhatsApp is secure, but > > neither do I "know" that anything I run is. (...) > > To put it simply, I can't accept the idea that in terms of security or p

[OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread deloptes
Stefan Monnier wrote: > I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to > communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed to configure my > safe not-internet-connected machine to participate. do you think it is possible to have public & encrypted discussion, when we do n

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Perhaps you and all the others could use -debian-offtopic to air Not sure what "offtopic" has to do with this discussion, so I'll assume it was a typo for `debian-offline`. I hear there's a lot of interesting discussions there about how to communicate safely, but sadly so far I haven't managed

[OT] Debian Offtopic (Was: Re: Social-media antipathy))

2021-03-18 Thread Linux-Fan
Brian writes: On Thu 18 Mar 2021 at 21:09:58 +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > paranoid - isolate the machine where you read and write, encrypt and > decrypt your messages! I was thinking of starting a crowdfund project for > such a device, but no time to even draft a business plan. Perhaps yo

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread riveravaldez
On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:27 -0300 > riveravaldez wrote: > >> I'm getting pretty confuse with these statements. >> >> On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: >> > (...) >> > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps not >> > quite your vehemence), but maki

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Mar 2021 at 21:09:58 +0100, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Come on, as soon as you go out to the street you can be run over by a > > bus... > > > > You'll still take some precautions, as it might enhance your odds of > > survival :) > > > >> Why should I bother with y

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Come on, as soon as you go out to the street you can be run over by a > bus... > > You'll still take some precautions, as it might enhance your odds of > survival :) > >> Why should I bother with your encryption efforts, when I can read your >> screen? > > This is a go

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:27 -0300 riveravaldez wrote: > I'm getting pretty confuse with these statements. > > On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: > > (...) > > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps not > > quite your vehemence), but making **blatantly incorrect** assertions

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Suffice it to say that the only Social Media outfit I trust less than I trust Facebook or Twitter (neither of which I trust any further than I can throw the U.S.S. Hornet) is LinkedIn. Which I have loathed since *before* they became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsloth. -- JHHL (I'd use a s

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:25:48 +0100 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:07:08AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps not > > quite your vehemence), > > :-) > > >but making blatantly incor

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Joe
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:49:27 -0300 riveravaldez wrote: > I'm getting pretty confuse with these statements. > > On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: > > (...) > > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps > > not quite your vehemence), but making **blatantly incorrect** > > asserti

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:07:08AM -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps not > quite your vehemence), :-) >but making blatantly incorrect assertions like > the claim that Facebook is one of the ends of WhatsApp's

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread riveravaldez
On 3/18/21, riveravaldez wrote: > I'm getting pretty confuse with these statements. > (...) Sorry to everybody, I forgot to fix the addresses...

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread riveravaldez
I'm getting pretty confuse with these statements. On 3/18/21, Celejar wrote: > (...) > I definitely share your concerns about Facebook (although perhaps not > quite your vehemence), but making **blatantly incorrect** assertions like > the claim that Facebook is one of the ends of WhatsApp's E2E e

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 09:28:06 +0100 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:54:24PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:45:28 +0100 > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:24:50AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > Fortunately mos

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:55:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 18 mar 21, 09:28:06, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > So while I don't doubt that the WA client *could* *in principle* > > do end-to-end encryption, they'll do whatever it takes to trick > > end users to share their juicy data

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 18 mar 21, 09:28:06, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So while I don't doubt that the WA client *could* *in principle* > do end-to-end encryption, they'll do whatever it takes to trick > end users to share their juicy data with the mothership, FB. It's > their life-blood. I'm guessing the full

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:03:49AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > > I'm not sure whether you're being serious or facetious, but WhatsApp > > apparently has genuine end-to-end encryption, using the Signal protocol, > > and neither of the ends is Facebook. > > > > Of course, it's close

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-18 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:54:24PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:45:28 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:24:50AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > ... > > > > Fortunately most of the > > > conversations have been moving to WhatsApp (wh

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-17 Thread deloptes
Celejar wrote: > I'm not sure whether you're being serious or facetious, but WhatsApp > apparently has genuine end-to-end encryption, using the Signal protocol, > and neither of the ends is Facebook. > > Of course, it's closed source, so we can't know for sure what's really > in there, and I cert

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-17 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:45:28 +0100 wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 09:24:50AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: ... > > Fortunately most of the > > conversations have been moving to WhatsApp (where they are supposed to > > be encrypted, at least). > > Yeah, right. Enc

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-17 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) Pics or it didn't happen ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > It may not be long before vendors are ranked or even excluded according > to their virtue-signalling activities rather than their products. Yes, I also think this might be the next step ... cause no one is biting on the adds anyway and there are also too many people trying to manipul

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
ghe2001 wrote: > How about DDG as the default, and Google when necessary. yes - this is the present setting here Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) I guess Google has already lost track of the data and may be algorithm long time ago, but it's still workin

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:42 PM, deloptes wrote: > This was in the beginning. Then it became business and now it is political > and I am not sure anymore if this is exactly what I want, but as said > technical

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Joe
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:42:48 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than > >> DDG. My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather > >> marginal and that they get most of their advantage from search > >> context. Of course

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
Celejar wrote: >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than DDG. >> My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather marginal and >> that they get most of their advantage from search context. Of course, >> I may be wrong (as nearly always ;-) > > It's certainly hard t

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:49:10AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > [...] And I do usually access Google without being logged in, with > > > most cookies blocked, NoScript, etc., so in general

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > work well for me in certain areas of interest to me. Perhaps I'm simply > not sufficiently s

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:05:44 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. > > [...] > > > Me too - doin

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-15 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:54:26AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > I'm better at asynchronous as well, but still find instant messaging to > have it's uses [...] > And then there's group chats. There's a reason IRC still exists ;) Agreed. Tools, jobs and all that :) Cheers - t signatu

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 14:49:03, Joe wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:23:17 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Du, 14 mar 21, 12:19:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > in the first place, I'm not the target audience for instant

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> And signal... with all due respect to Moxie Marlinspike... >> - the centralised server model >> - the fact they don't publish their server code since a while > https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server To the extent that the service is centralized, I don't really care if their code is availa

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Federated services have metadata as well. > If a particular communication involves two different servers now *both* > servers will have all the metadata for that communication. Indeed, hiding all the metadata is *hard*. Still, Having the overall metadata divided among a hundred servers or more

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> The problem is also the metadata: it still leaves a centralized record >> of who sent what size of message to whom at what time and from which >> IP address. > > It's definitely more than just "dry" IP addresses: I was talking about Signal (I admit I didn't make that clear). Stefan

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Joe
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 13:23:17 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 14 mar 21, 12:19:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > in the first place, I'm not the target audience for instant > > > messaging anyway. > > > > Every step towards

Re: Social-media antipathy

2021-03-14 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 3/13/21 1:17 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Unfortunately the way Facebook gained it's huge user base was by creepy stalking of people in any way it could, in order to get them to sign up, which is exactly why a privacy respecting social network will have a tough time to compete. Not even remotel

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. [...] > Me too - doing the same - but as you say "more or less as good as > Google's" -

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > Come on, you yourself write below why. > Let me put an example: a friend of mine is doing biological research > (mRNA and that kind of stuff). > > She relies totally on Google to keep the research

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:08:34PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 12:19:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > in the first place, I'm not the target audience for instant > > messaging anyway. > > Every step towards more privacy is good. Let's not let the perfect be > the enemy

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 12:19:34, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:03:49PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > [...] > > > To be clear, far from me to claim Signal is perfect, it's just (in my > > not so humble opinion) the only *feasible* option to compete with > > WhatsApp, Telegra

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:16:02PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > > which country. > > > >

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:03:49PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > To be clear, far from me to claim Signal is perfect, it's just (in my > not so humble opinion) the only *feasible* option to compete with > WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, etc. Dunno. What's wrong with mail/pgp-gpg

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > which country. > > Ruoghly yes, but what I was aiming at is slightly more subtle. And I was addi

Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

2021-03-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 09:44:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 06:42:01PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> > I'll stick with Signal for now, at least it's something that I can > > >> > confidently recommend to people as "WhatsApp, but really > > >> > secure/private". > > >> I gu

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