Re: [OT] Sobre el top-posting, correos html y los privados

2009-12-01 Thread Walber Zaldivar Herrera
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2009-09-29 Thread Jason McDonald
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Re: top, www-data and other using LDAP?

2009-08-24 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
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Re: top, www-data and other using LDAP?

2009-08-24 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote: ¿Anyone? I'm not using ldap right now, but I think you are missing the system users in your ldap. there was/is a setting to tell ldap from which user id it should count, or better you say pam/nss to use ldap only with ids above a give one. It's always a matter of

top, www-data and other using LDAP?

2009-08-20 Thread Jordi Espasa Clofent
Hi all, In /var/log/auth.log I see a lot of LDAP connections attemps: Aug 20 11:00:07 xen-ad0010 top: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://192.168.10.1/ Aug 20 11:00:07 xen-ad0010 top: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server ldap://192.168.10.1/ Aug 20 11:00:08 xen-ad0010 top: nss_ldap

When is it ok to top-post? (was Re: For God's sake... (was Re: Cannot start Xserver))

2009-08-08 Thread Ron Johnson
9429866.1458201249746949394.javamail.nab...@isper.nabble.com: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:42:48 -0500, Cybe wrote in message 20090806164248.2ce57...@wizardstower: [snip] etc... So now it's top-posting, heh..? I thought about that before sending my email. But, since

Re: Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-05 Thread Alex Samad
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:25:25AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 4a781792.8050...@cox.net, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-04 02:47, Alex Samad wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 09:20:29PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-08-03 16:04, Alex Samad wrote: [snip] waiting for root

Re: Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-04 Thread Alex Samad
it to work properly any ideas ? Grub config file misconfigured? I think not, because grub hands over to the initiramfs scripts and its local-top that is waiting - but this is an assumption on my part. -- - Sodomy non sapiens, said Albert under his breath. - What does that mean? - Means

Re: Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-04 Thread Ron Johnson
and it will boot up but I would like it to work properly any ideas ? Grub config file misconfigured? I think not, because grub hands over to the initiramfs scripts and its local-top that is waiting - but this is an assumption on my part. There are two layers to this cake: 1. Grub fires up if you tell

Re: Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-04 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
chioce and now when it is finished and tries to reboot I can't find the root fs :( any ideas ? Grub config file misconfigured? I think not, because grub hands over to the initiramfs scripts and its local-top that is waiting - but this is an assumption on my part. There are two layers to this cake

Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-03 Thread Alex Samad
Hi I have just installed a machine from a daily build deb installer, I did the whole disk encryption chioce and now when it is finished and tries to reboot I can't find the root fs :( I have been able to boot the partition by hand and I have updated the system to the latest packages and tried

Re: Unable top boot newly installed machine

2009-08-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-08-03 16:04, Alex Samad wrote: Hi I have just installed a machine from a daily build deb installer, I did the whole disk encryption chioce and now when it is finished and tries to reboot I can't find the root fs :( I have been able to boot the partition by hand and I have updated the

Re: Need help with sound on Lenny desk-top host

2009-06-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri,26.Jun.09, 21:24:42, Paul E Condon wrote: * make sure the sound channel levels are up and unmuted (using alsamixer), I not sure. alsamixer display did not look familiar and it was not at all clear what the iconic display was indicating. Further I wasn't able to change the

Re: Need help with sound on Lenny desk-top host

2009-06-27 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-06-27_11:50:02, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,26.Jun.09, 21:24:42, Paul E Condon wrote: * make sure the sound channel levels are up and unmuted (using alsamixer), I not sure. alsamixer display did not look familiar and it was not at all clear what the iconic display was

Re: Need help with sound on Lenny desk-top host

2009-06-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,27.Jun.09, 11:50:01, Paul E Condon wrote: Since you are intending to patch the last bullet point in the release note, I suggest that you also recast the other bullet points where you suggest specific commands to type and the specific results to be expected. I filed #534797, because

Need help with sound on Lenny desk-top host

2009-06-26 Thread Paul E Condon
I have a computer on which I did a clean new install of Lenny about a month ago. Lots of problems and I am just now confronting fact that there is no sound. (I got Flash working earlier today, and with that knew, for sure: no sount) There is some advice on possible problems in Lenny in the

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-28 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:40 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: Barclay, Daniel wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. No. xdm/kdm/gdm don't use a window manager (that's why the look and feel is so different). Just run ps ax from a console

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-28 Thread AG
Paul E Condon wrote: On 2009-05-26_09:40:05, Foss User wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Claudius Hubig nfs_2...@chubig.net wrote: Foss User foss...@gmail.com wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i ? gnome ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-27 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Paul E Condon wrote: ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. What features of a window manager does it need or use? (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might need to move around or that the user might want to see decorated?) Daniel --

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-27 Thread Muzer
Foss User wrote: 4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a system running KDE? On Kubuntu (which I know isn't debian, but it's all I have at the moment): mu...@muzer-desktop:~$ aptitude why twm i kdm Recommends kdebase | x-session-manager | x-window-manager p

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-27 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:03, Barclay, Daniel dan...@fgm.com wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: ...  [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. What features of a window manager does it need or use? (I don't use gdm.  Does it have multiple windows that the user might need

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-27 Thread Tony Baldwin
Barclay, Daniel wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. What features of a window manager does it need or use? (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might need to move around or that the user might want to see

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-05-26_09:40:05, Foss User wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Claudius Hubig nfs_2...@chubig.net wrote: Foss User foss...@gmail.com wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i ? gnome ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Depends

Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Foss User
Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i gnome Depends gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends gdm (= 2.20.9) i A gdm Depends gnome-session | x-session-manager |

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 13:48, Foss User foss...@gmail.com wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (= 2.20.9) i A gdm      

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Tony Baldwin
Foss User wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i gnome Depends gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends gdm (= 2.20.9) i A gdm Depends gnome-session |

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Tony Baldwin
Claudius Hubig wrote: Foss User foss...@gmail.com wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i gnome Depends gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends gdm (= 2.20.9) i A gdm

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 16:10, Tony Baldwin photodha...@gmail.com wrote: Foss User wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 3f8297b20905251348x79208dfdo70ba473b5be36...@mail.gmail.com, Foss User wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i gnome Depends gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends gdm (= 2.20.9) i A

Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

2009-05-25 Thread Foss User
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Claudius Hubig nfs_2...@chubig.net wrote: Foss User foss...@gmail.com wrote: Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze. $ aptitude why twm i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2) i A

¿Qué es top-posting y cross-posting?

2009-03-30 Thread santilin
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Re: ¿Qué es top-posting y cross-posting?

2009-03-30 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
2009/3/30, santilin sa...@gestiong.org: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org wikipedia es tu amiga ;) http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Env

Re: ¿Qué es top-posting y cross-posting?

2009-03-30 Thread Alberto Vicat
santilin escribió: Top-posting es contestar arriba del mensaje respondido en vez de abajo, cosa que hace incómoda la lectura: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting Cross-posting es preguntar lo mismo en varias listas, lo que ocasiona cierta mescolanza cuando alguien responde: http

Re: mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-29 Thread Christofer C. Bell
2009/3/28 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:48:10AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote: I was asking one of the top-posting advocates to elaborate on archaic mail readers .. written in the 1980s .. I believe he wrote.. I would assume he is not using one himself

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Bannister
confusing. :o So in that situation I was happier[2] seeing a silly top posting message. [2] Only because I didn't have to press space a dozen or so times. As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section of quoted text, or, if you know there is no interleaved quoting, just press

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:48:26AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:11:38PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: Now then.. I have two bottom posters .. and one top poster.. OK. What do I do? Snip out the irrelevant bits. Do you use vim as your editor? If so you can put

Re: mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-28 Thread Chris Jones
is using if you put in your .muttrc: I was asking one of the top-posting advocates to elaborate on archaic mail readers .. written in the 1980s .. I believe he wrote.. I would assume he is not using one himself .. but then who knows.. - # What headers are displayed ignore * unignore From

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:04:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median line and insert your comments is the center of it, splitting

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:43:28AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. Then, of course, it follows that not posting at all is ideal. I *should* have said: Without triming bottom posting

mutt tip (was ... Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting)

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: What mailer are you referring to? I use mutt and it threads messages reliably, flagging malformed mails that it adds to a thread when it You can see what mailer he is using if you put in your .muttrc: - # What headers are

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:11:38PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote: Now then.. I have two bottom posters .. and one top poster.. OK. What do I do? Snip out the irrelevant bits. Do you use vim as your editor? If so you can put a number before the 'dd' command: 40dd will delete 40 lines. -- Chris

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has spent too much time using Windows. Or who reads

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-24 07:06, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has spent

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Bob Cox
top posting message. [2] Only because I didn't have to press space a dozen or so times. As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section of quoted text, or, if you know there is no interleaved quoting, just press the 'End' key to go right to the bottom ;-) -- Bob Cox. Stoke

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Andrei Popescu
in that situation I was happier[2] seeing a silly top posting message. [2] Only because I didn't have to press space a dozen or so times. As you use mutt, 'S' should skip to the end of each section of quoted text, or, if you know there is no interleaved quoting, just press the 'End' key

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-24 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel dan...@fgm.com mailto:dan...@fgm.com wrote: Christofer C. Bell wrote: Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Mail 2: A: Top-posting. Mail 3: Q: Why is top-posting such a bad

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Jesus Arocho
; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, Hmmm. Manners or No Manners; it's an easy choice. Bottom posting of course

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 22 March 2009 23:07:29 Dave Patterson wrote: * Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net [2009-03-22 20:34:50 -0500]: That's hyperbole, at the very least. The original Pentium was released on March 22, 1993. 3 1/2 disks had been available for a while. While the first GB disk

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net mailto:ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: ... A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Barclay, Daniel
Chris Jones wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: [..] I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the discussion progresses, of course), especially if a thread has run for a while. Most business mail runs something like this: -

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel dan...@fgm.com wrote: Christofer C. Bell wrote: Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Mail 2: A: Top-posting. Mail 3: Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Mail 4: A: Because it messes up the order in which people

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 143f0f6c0903230837k4d6bc8a5r55fe985e82993...@mail.gmail.com, Christofer C. Bell wrote: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Top-posting. What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Top-posting. Why is top-posting such a bad thing? What

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:57:09AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote: Chris Jones wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: [..] I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the discussion progresses, of course), especially if a thread has run

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:37:21AM -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Barclay, Daniel dan...@fgm.com wrote: Christofer C. Bell wrote: Mail 1: Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Mail 2: A: Top-posting. Mail 3: Q: Why is top-posting

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
.. with the advantage that the bean-counters can print each and every mail and .. file it, I guess. You've already seen what it looks like when top-posted in a modern mail reader (ie; it follows the order in which people normally read text). No, it doesn't. The individual messages are hard

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-23 Thread Chris Jones
Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 12:27, Jesus Arocho wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, Hmmm

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:09:29AM -0700, Angus Auld wrote: [snipped **H E A P S** of unnecessary text] Proof reading might also be a good idea, as is evidenced by my mistakenly saying that top-posting is the established method here. ;) Bottom-posting of course is the prevailing method

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:09:29AM -0700, Angus Auld wrote: [snipped **H E A P S** of unnecessary text] Proof reading might also be a good idea, as is evidenced by my mistakenly saying that top-posting is the established method here. ;) Bottom

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face is one who has spent too much time using Windows

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Jesus Arocho
Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 12:27, Jesus Arocho wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, Hmmm. Manners or No Manners

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. Then, of course, it follows that not posting at all is ideal. -- Bob Holtzman Light a man's fire and he will be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Chris Jones
as it forces the reader to display a bunch of extraneous In fact, reading bottom-posted threads in a *modern mail reader* is It looks no different than a discussion forum or other normal conversation. text. Mail 4: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read Mail 3: Q: Why is top

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 22 March 2009 17:18:44 Ron Johnson wrote: The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, Hmmm.  Manners or No Manners; it's an easy choice. No - the poster has a valid point. Both the cases he cites are cases where

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:52:54 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread John Hasler
Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median line and insert your comments is the center of it, splitting a word if necessary. Bob Holtzman writes: Then, of course

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:52:54 -0500 Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote: ... This isn't true. Come enter the 21st Century, it started nearly a decade ago. ;-) Top posting works well in a modern threaded mail reader (all of which, incidentally, support HTML email). Because

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 11:52, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 2009-03-22 11:45, Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. The only person who can say that with a straight face

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:27:13 -0400 Jesus Arocho jesus_aro...@comcast.net wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Wendell Cochran
In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a) unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit plain text. Or both. Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate incompetent. Wendell Cochran West Seattle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread MList
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:04:54PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: Bottom posting of course is just as bad or worse than top posting. No. You obviously should middle post as I have done here: find the median ROTF line and insert your comments is the center of it, splitting

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 14:28, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:27:13 -0400 Jesus Arocho jesus_aro...@comcast.net wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 14:32, Wendell Cochran wrote: In non-tech lists, top-posting suggests that the writer is (a) unaware that Westerners read from top down, or (b) unable to edit plain text. Or both. Debian-users ought not wish to appear so inconsiderate incompetent. Or... only technically-astute

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Or... only technically-astute people should be allowed on the Internet. That way, it doesn't degenerate into the Intarweb of tubes and spam. I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... --

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Adrian Levi
2009/3/23 Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com: This isn't true.  Come enter the 21st Century, it started nearly a decade ago. ;-)  Top posting works well in a modern threaded mail reader (all of which, incidentally, support HTML email).  Because *you* are a curmudgeon doesn't mean

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net [2009-03-22 16:06:06 -0500]: Except that Our arguments are Right, and Theirs are Eeeevil. Here we go. I can imagine the hearings now: Are you now, or have you ever been, a top poster? -- Dave signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com [2009-03-22 16:24:52 -0500]: I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... A 286 accelerator card in an 8086 IBM with a 20 Mg hard drive and 5 1/4 floppy drive. 56k modem. Hotrod machine for the day. I don't miss

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20090323010320.gb7...@gecko.davescrunch.org, Dave Patterson wrote: * Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com [2009-03-22 16:24:52 -0500]: I remember the days before 1994 and the Great AOL Floodgates opening... A 286 accelerator card in an 8086 IBM with a 20 Mg hard drive and 5 1/4

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:51:31PM EDT, Florian Kulzer wrote: [..] I need to see the relevant context quoted (properly trimmed as the discussion progresses, of course), especially if a thread has run for a while. Most business mail runs something like this: - hey, Dee.. got my fax?

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 07:56:35AM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: 2009/3/23 Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com: [snip] I bottom-post out of force of habit, however, it's archaic and generally unnecessary. -- Chris Now imagine you are CC'd in on the conversation with no

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:27:13PM -0400, Jesus Arocho wrote: Hee, Hee; are you trying to humiliate people into using bottom posting by associating them with use of Windows? The debate of top/bottom posting is much alike elbows on/off the table, burp/not burp after a meal, etc, true

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-03-22 19:52, Dave Patterson wrote: * Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net [2009-03-22 16:06:06 -0500]: Except that Our arguments are Right, and Theirs are Eeeevil. Here we go. I can imagine the hearings now: Are you now, or have you ever been, a top poster? You must have missed

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net [2009-03-22 21:20:30 -0500]: You must have missed the Editor Wars... Why do we have to hide from the police, Daddy? Because we use vi, son. They use emacs. Escape Meta Alt Control Shift Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping EMACS Makes Any

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Hal Vaughan
ever been, a top poster? You must have missed the Editor Wars... Why do we have to hide from the police, Daddy? Because we use vi, son. They use emacs. Escape Meta Alt Control Shift Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping EMACS Makes Any Computer Slow Then just use another OS besides Emacs

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-22 Thread Dave Patterson
* Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net [2009-03-22 20:34:50 -0500]: That's hyperbole, at the very least. The original Pentium was released on March 22, 1993. 3 1/2 disks had been available for a while. While the first GB disk wouldn't be seen until 1995, 100MB drives were

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-15 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:32:20 +0100 mouss mo...@ml.netoyen.net wrote: ... now, when I respond to specific points in the quoted message, I bottom post. unfortunately, many people are not used to this, and find it hard to continue the discussion consistently: they often don't understand levels

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-14 Thread mouss
Sander Marechal a écrit : [snip] Actually, top posting makes some sense in a corporate environment. There is no mailinglist or archive to see the entire discussion there. Suppose you are discussing something with a coworker over e-mail. With top posting every reply carries the entire thread

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-14 Thread mouss
Comments inline ;-p Daniel Burrows a écrit : My experience has also been that attempting to bottom-post in a corporate environment confuses people because they can't find your reply. When people know the conventions, bottom-posting is a lot clearer, but if it just confuses them, there's

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-13 Thread Angus Auld
--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Bob Cox debian-u...@lists.bobcox.com wrote: From: Bob Cox debian-u...@lists.bobcox.com Subject: Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:55 PM On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 00:12:15 -0500, Kumar Appaiah (a.ku

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-13 Thread Angus Auld
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Angus Auld aonghas_a...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Angus Auld aonghas_a...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:55 AM --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Bob Cox debian-u...@lists.bobcox.com

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-12 Thread Sander Marechal
Alex Samad wrote: isn't that a reason for top posting? No, because with bottom posting you can quote just a little bit of an e-mail and put your response directly below it. This is a big boon with larger e-mails because you can respond to multiple statements or questions in turn. Of course

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-12 Thread Bob Cox
upwards. It becomes really bad when some replies are more than a page long because you now have to scroll back down to read it, then scroll up to find the next reply. Weeding through top-posts makes me want to kick someones cat. There's something worse than that: A mixture of top

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-12 Thread Ken Teague
Daniel Burrows wrote: My experience has also been that attempting to bottom-post in a corporate environment confuses people because they can't find your reply. That's when the sender needs to trim out what doesn't need to be there. It's not necessary to quote the entire previous e-mail.

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-12 Thread Alex Samad
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:00:28AM +0100, Sander Marechal wrote: Alex Samad wrote: isn't that a reason for top posting? No, because with bottom posting you can quote just a little bit of an e-mail and put your response directly below it. This is a big boon with larger e-mails because you

Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-11 Thread Steven Demetrius
For all you posters discussing Top posting vs Bottom posting and taking other threads off topic here is a thread for you. First my opinion, Since this mailing list historically has been Bottom posting then we stick with it. Using both top and bottom posting in the mailing list will lead

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-11 Thread randall
Steven Demetrius wrote: For all you posters discussing Top posting vs Bottom posting and taking other threads off topic here is a thread for you. First my opinion, Since this mailing list historically has been Bottom posting then we stick with it. good point. personally the most e-mails i

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-11 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 07:23, randall rand...@songshu.org wrote: personally the most e-mails i receive and sent are in a corporate environment and everybody uses top posting there, i clearly see it has benefits since it is used more as a notification to have the latest one (and probably most

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-11 Thread Sander Marechal
Nuno Magalhães wrote: I think most people top post in corporate enviroments 'cos they just click and type and don't really care about proper use of email or computers in general. It's just the thing to send messages. Actually, top posting makes some sense in a corporate environment

Re: Top posting vs Bottom posting

2009-03-11 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:18:52PM +0100, Sander Marechal wrote: Actually, top posting makes some sense in a corporate environment. There Not really. is no mailinglist or archive to see the entire discussion there. Suppose you are discussing something with a coworker over e-mail. With top

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