Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 4:00 AM: > > > The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each > > seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work > > would be our job right? > > You

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> The USB cable length limit is 5 meters, or 16.4 ft. To go 100 ft with USB > requires a USB balun. Read about baluns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun ~ OK, I got your point accross better now. The thing is that I wasn't really thinking this way about implementing it from a hardware point

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/12/2010 1:24 PM: > On Tuesday 12 January 2010 12:06:30 Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> As a test of your theory, fire up your favorite ID >> Software OpenGL Linux game on one Debian PC piping its GL calls over the >> network to another PC's X server. > > I happen to

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Tuesday 12 January 2010 12:06:30 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > As a test of your theory, fire up your favorite ID > Software OpenGL Linux game on one Debian PC piping its GL calls over the > network to another PC's X server. I happen to know that on my home LAN, the frame rates would be unacceptably

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 12:06 PM: > In a friendly and technically honest way, what the f#ck are you > taking about? I would like to understand you because I am not > primarily a hardware guy. Why would you need "CAT5 to support USB"? From: http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq/#c

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

>> The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each >> seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work >> would be our job right? ~ > You're still missing the overall picture here. In your living room or > basement, or in a library or lab with a 30 foo

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/12/2010 11:41 AM: > On Monday 11 January 2010 23:45:12 Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM: >>> 4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL >>> commands for the GLX calls to complete. Likely,

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Monday 11 January 2010 23:45:12 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM: > > 4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL > > commands for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am > > using requires exclusive access t

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 4:00 AM: > The only extra cost here would be the special video cards for each > seat but even they are commercial nowadays and making multi-seat work > would be our job right? You're still missing the overall picture here. In your living room or basement,

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> The total cost in hardware, OS/application setup man-hours, and electricity > is *higher* if you attempt the multi-seat route with one big powerful box vs > many small power efficient boxen. ~ Well, honestly, we may be looking at these issues from entirely different points of view, but I don

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Albretch Mueller put forth on 1/12/2010 1:14 AM: > Multiseat environments would be the next great > thing, not only regarding the savings on hardware, but also on the > utility bill ;-) But here is where you diverge from reality. The total cost in hardware, OS/application setup man-hours, and e

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On 1/12/2010 1:14 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote: ~ Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ... ~ Also say you have a home setup or a lab in which security illusions are less of an issue and using one of these 50 a 100 ft long VGA cables you have a "seat" in another r

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

~ Let me add a few more general points about multiseat environments ... ~ Multiseat environments have been a great unexploited idea for a long time (what happened with cars in the 70's has been happening with computers since the 90's, but no paradigm shift has really happened since then) The only

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/11/2010 12:23 PM: > 4. I had to switch VTs to the X server that was handling the OpenGL commands > for the GLX calls to complete. Likely, the video driver I am using requires > exclusive access to the hardware to process some GLX requests. This is my poin

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Friday 08 January 2010 13:43:19 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/8/2010 1:35 PM: > > Yet again, you make no points about OpenGL that have not been make about > > X in the past. Yet, X (and I'm pretty sure OpenGL) still *work* over the > > network. > > Cite an exampl

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/8/2010 1:35 PM: > Yet again, you make no points about OpenGL that have not been make about X in > the past. Yet, X (and I'm pretty sure OpenGL) still *work* over the network. > Cite an example of a current working Linux remote OpenGL implementation. I'd

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

In , Stan Hoeppner wrote: >On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:15:28 -0600, "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." > wrote: >> In <4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> To make OpenGL >>> really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over the >>> network OpenGL completely, as keeping that

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, ??monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Chris. Once I had discovered the keyword "multiseat" I have > been able to google what I need on the topic. I do appreciate the > gentle hint, though. I do try to be independent. No problem. Glad it was useful Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@l

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:15:28 -0600, "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > In <4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> To make OpenGL >> really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over the >> network OpenGL completely, as keeping that capability would have totally >

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 16:02, Paul Johnson wrote: > Kelly Clowers wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM: Stan writes: > What about sound? Two sound cards.  Sound is handled entirely seperately from video. >

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM: >>> Stan writes: What about sound? >>> >>> Two sound cards.  Sound is handled entirely seperately from video. >> >> No kidding?  (sarcasm) >> >> The question is how do you

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, ?monitor, and keyboard?

2010/1/7 Chris Davies : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a >> discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and >> keyboards. > >> Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each >> with their own user accoun

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, ?monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? Goog

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

In <4b44b28b.10...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > To make OpenGL > really scream on single user 3D chips, they had to eliminate over the > network OpenGL completely, as keeping that capability would have totally > hosed the rendering pipeline performance for 3D chips. That makes no sen

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room > > for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for > > two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tub

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote at 2010-01-06 13:02 -0600: > > I personally would be more inclined to try it from a single system.  It > > might > > be considerably simpler than your modding, and it would definitely be more > > interesting, in my opinion. > > Simpler if software is your field. Engineering is m

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

I just found this: http://www.mobilewhack.com/computers/review/ncomputing_xtenda_x300_desktop_expansion_kit.html -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 10:58:48AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and keyboards. Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstation

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

2010/1/6 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst: >>> >>> http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page >>> >>> It's only 4" x 4.5" x 1.05"  I just measured and it's smaller than my hand. >>> >>> >> >> That looks prett

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst: >> >> http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page >> >> It's only 4" x 4.5" x 1.05" I just measured and it's smaller than my hand. >> >> > > That looks pretty good, but it is very short on RAM (1

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> The question is how do you configure the 2nd user session to use a secondary > sound device?  That is what the original OP needs to know. > That looks like something that Pulse Audio should be able to handle. I understand that sound routing is native in PA. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst: > > http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page > > It's only 4" x 4.5" x 1.05"  I just measured and it's smaller than my hand. > That looks pretty good, but it is very short on RAM (1 GB) and the FAQ is very clear that

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:03, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM: >> Stan writes: >>> What about sound? >> >> Two sound cards.  Sound is handled entirely seperately from video. > > No kidding?  (sarcasm) > > The question is how do you configure the 2nd user session t

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> I personally would be more inclined to try it from a single system.  It might > be considerably simpler than your modding, and it would definitely be more > interesting, in my opinion. > Simpler if software is your field. Engineering is mine! As for which is more interesting, I can take pics of

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> I honestly don't know if what you want to do is possible, or if so > how.  It wouldn't surprise me if Debian can support two monitors > on the same workstation.  It would surprise me if Debian can support > two different keyboards on the same workstation.  But I really don't > know.  But here's s

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

> seems pretty straight forward > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX > Thanks, there is some great info there. And as Ubuntu is a Debian derive, this looks quite what I need. Thank you! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 10:21 AM: > Stan writes: >> What about sound? > > Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video. No kidding? (sarcasm) The question is how do you configure the 2nd user session to use a secondary sound device? That is what the original OP n

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Stan writes: > What about sound? Two sound cards. Sound is handled entirely seperately from video. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 10:58:48AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

John Hasler put forth on 1/6/2010 9:39 AM: > What about sound? Is the 2nd user not assumed to visit youtube? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 1/6/2010 9:20 AM: > Technically, OpenGL was designed with network transparency in mind, but it > doesn't always work well when large textures and/or changing textures or > geometries are involved. Waaay back in the day this was true, when an SGI, SUN, HP, Int

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

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Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Chris Jackson put forth on 1/6/2010 8:34 AM: > I'm curious about whether this is possible with udev, since that was in > the days before it - I think it may - possibly - be, and might have some > time to experiment this weekend if you're still interested. Now all you have to do is hack sound for

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen put forth on 1/6/2010 8:13 AM: > Oh, and I'm going to have to see if a single 500W power supply with > another pigtail soldered will power both! That should probably be the > weak point in the system! Just get one of these and install Debian via USB thumb drive netinst: http://fit-pc

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wednesday 06 January 2010 09:06:06 green wrote: > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote at 2010-01-06 04:59 -0600: > > Without hard disks, and needing only enough CPU power to run X, the > > second system could be *very* small. Since it could share (at least) > > /usr with the main system, it wouldn't n

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Hi, On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Nick Douma wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a >> discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and >> keyboards. >> >> Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, eac

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Avi Greenbury wrote at 2010-01-06 08:24 -0600: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room > > for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for > > two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tubes > > might be

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote at 2010-01-06 04:59 -0600: > On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > > keyboards. > > > > Does Debian support us

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: 2010/1/6 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : From what I understand about Linux in general, no. At the very least, doing so your be overly complicated. ... Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room for a second tower, I will see about modding the existin

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On 2010-01-06 at 03:58:48 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own user acco

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, Boyd, that was actually ver informative. As there is no room > for a second tower, I will see about modding the existing tower for > two motherboards. There actually is room, only the CPU cooling tubes > might be problematic Thin clients do come in very physically thin

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On 01/06/2010 09:58 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and keyboards. Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each with their own user accounts, monitor, and

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

2010/1/6 Nick Douma : > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a >> discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and >> keyboards. >> >> Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each >> with their own user accounts

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

2010/1/6 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : > On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a >> discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and >> keyboards. >> >> Does Debian support using this computer for _two_

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The

Re: Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

On Wednesday 06 January 2010 02:58:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: > I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a > discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and > keyboards. > > Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each > with their own user

Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?

I have a desktop computer with onboard VGA and option to add a discrete video card. It has plenty of spare USB ports for mice and keyboards. Does Debian support using this computer for _two_ workstations, each with their own user accounts, monitor, and keyboard? The goal is to save space, electric