Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-20 Thread maderios
On 06/20/2013 07:37 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:30:46 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Sid est également suicidaire pour bosser dans certains domaines. Ex : une BD mysql qui lâche, c'est la cata... Restons sérieux, mysql est tout sauf une BdD… Je vois revenir le débat à

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-20 Thread Bzzz
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:02:32 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Je vois revenir le débat à la mord moi le noeud Là encore, restons sérieux; nous ne nous connaissons pas assez pour ça :) Mysql est une merveille de BD utilisée quotidiennement, par moi-même et des centaines de milliers

stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
Bonjour à tous, J'ai un portable sous Debian wheezy avec un source.list qui mélange stable, testing, unstable et experimental et un fichier preferences donnant la priorité à testing (puis à stable et unstable). Je me demande si il neserait pas mieux d'avoir une stable avec des dépots backports

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Gabriel Euzet
Bonjour, Ça dépend de ce que tu recherches ! Précise le mieux. Gab' Le 19 juin 2013 08:12, Nicolas Roudninski nicor...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour à tous, J'ai un portable sous Debian wheezy avec un source.list qui mélange stable, testing, unstable et experimental et un fichier

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
partage d'expérience... Le 19 juin 2013 08:12, Nicolas Roudninski nicor...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour à tous, J'ai un portable sous Debian wheezy avec un source.list qui mélange stable, testing, unstable et experimental et un fichier preferences donnant la priorité à testing (puis à

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Gabriel Euzet
pour information et partage d'expérience... Le 19 juin 2013 08:12, Nicolas Roudninski nicor...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour à tous, J'ai un portable sous Debian wheezy avec un source.list qui mélange stable, testing, unstable et experimental et un fichier preferences donnant la priorité à

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
d'expérience... Le 19 juin 2013 08:12, Nicolas Roudninski nicor...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour à tous, J'ai un portable sous Debian wheezy avec un source.list qui mélange stable, testing, unstable et experimental et un fichier preferences donnant la priorité à testing (puis à stable et unstable

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Jean Louis Giraud
Bonjour, bonjour Je cherche à avoir de la stabilité avec des applications récentes (libroffice 4, gnome 3.4 minimum par exemple). Et c'est plus une demande pour information et partage d'expérience... perso je suis en testing : c'est très stable pour du testing, il faut penser à faire des

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread honeyshell
Bonjour Gabriel, Anciennement sous Wheezy (Testing), je suis passé à Sid depuis la transition de Wheezy à Jeannie. Je suis sous Gnome shell, et depuis 3 semaines sous Cinnamon (contenu dans les paquets de Sid). Résultat, je n'ai aucun problème d'utilisation. Je fais les mises à jour toutes les

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
Le 19 juin 2013 11:42, honeyshell honeysh...@honeyshell.com a écrit : Bonjour Gabriel, Anciennement sous Wheezy (Testing), je suis passé à Sid depuis la transition de Wheezy à Jeannie. Je suis sous Gnome shell, et depuis 3 semaines sous Cinnamon (contenu dans les paquets de Sid). Résultat,

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Franck Delage
Le 19 juin 2013 11:15, Jean Louis Giraud giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr a écrit : perso je suis en testing : c'est très stable pour du testing, il faut penser à faire des mises à jour régulièrement (2 à 3 fois par semaine mais on peut même le faire chaque jour) aucun problème de fonctionnement

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour, Le mercredi 19 juin 2013 à 8:12, Nicolas Roudninski a écrit : Je me demande si il neserait pas mieux d'avoir une stable avec des dépots backports Qu'en pensez-vous ? Ce qui suit n'est qu'un retour d'expérience basé sur une seule expérience. Il vaut ce qu'il vaut et permettra

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Jean Louis Giraud
Bon, je tenterai bien un passage vers sid, mais j'ai un peu peur de casser tout... ou presque. de toute façon il est toujours très fortement recommandé de faire une sauvegarde de toutes ses données avant de se lancer dans toute mise à niveau -- Cordialement Jean Louis Giraud

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
Le 19 juin 2013 18:27, Jean Louis Giraud giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr a écrit : Bon, je tenterai bien un passage vers sid, mais j'ai un peu peur de casser tout... ou presque. de toute façon il est toujours très fortement recommandé de faire une sauvegarde de toutes ses données avant de

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread maderios
On 06/19/2013 06:41 PM, Nicolas Roudninski wrote: Le 19 juin 2013 18:27, Jean Louis Giraud giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr mailto:giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr a écrit : Bon, je tenterai bien un passage vers sid, mais j'ai un peu peur de casser tout... ou presque. Sid n'est

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
entre Sid et testing est mince. Mieux vaut être sur une base testing et utiliser Sid uniquement pour des paquets non essentiels pour le système. Oui, c'est bien ce que je pensais. Je garde donc mon portable en stable/testing/unstable avec mon preferences qui va bien. Mais dommage, j'aurais aimé

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Bzzz
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:56:17 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Sid n'est pas fait pour travailler mais pour déboguer les paquets afin qu'ils puissent arriver dans testing. Donc bugs en perspective, parfois casses... Je mettrais un bémol à cela: en prenant les bonnes dispositions pour

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Nicolas Roudninski
Le 19 juin 2013 19:09, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit : On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:56:17 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Sid n'est pas fait pour travailler mais pour déboguer les paquets afin qu'ils puissent arriver dans testing. Donc bugs en perspective, parfois casses... Je

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread maderios
On 06/19/2013 07:09 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 18:56:17 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Sid n'est pas fait pour travailler mais pour déboguer les paquets afin qu'ils puissent arriver dans testing. Donc bugs en perspective, parfois casses... Je mettrais un bémol à cela: en

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Bzzz
... Tout dépend du boulot en question; par ailleurs, si justement ton taf le permet, la densité actuelle des HDz 21/2 permet tout à fait d'être en dual boot avec un system stable et un unstable… -- Chess Hé les mecs, j'ai eu une pure idée ! *aX1s fait le mort *Deadpool met sa tête dans le four

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Adrien Poupin
Le 19/06/2013 19:14, Nicolas Roudninski a écrit : Le 19 juin 2013 19:09, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com mailto:lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit : Ça laisse notamment le temps de se réadapter à des changements profonds dans les fichiers de conf, par ex.; et ça permet de travailler avec des softs

Re: stable testing unstable ou backports ?

2013-06-19 Thread Bzzz
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:19:49 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: relativement à jour, oui. Pour a jour, il faut installer Arch C'est bien la raison pour laquelle j'ai utilisé relativement; maintenant, Arch, c'est quand même un peu suicidaire pour le boulot. -- Thomas: Alors j'ai

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-30 Thread Felipe
referência apenas o uso do repositório stable) - Para descobrir os pacotes instalados que não são os disponíves no stable (tanto pacotes não existentes quanto versões inexistentes), basta ter apenas o repositório deb do stable no sources.list (o deb-src não influencia, posso ter outros como unstable

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread China
o Debian não disponibilize uma forma. Como faço para listar os pacotes unstable instalados em meu sistema? O mesmo vale para pacotes do testing e experimental. Eu uso stable e as vezes instalei um ou outro pacotes desses repositórios ... agora eu queria listar os pacotes de cada um desses

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread lowdr...@gmail.com
lista o que foi instalado de testing ou unstable. De qualquer forma, não dá para pelo menos listar tudo que está instalado mas não é a versão disponível no repositório utilizado atualmente? Assim, eu poderia possuir apenas o stable no sources.list e mandar listar o que não é pacote do stable. 2013

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread Leandro Corrêa
Também uso o stable e a solução mais simples que eu encontrei foi usar a combinação apt-show-versions + grep apt-show-versions | grep /testing ou apt-show-versions | grep /unstable ou /jessie /sid Em 29 de maio de 2013 09:53, lowdr...@gmail.com lowdr...@gmail.comescreveu: Primeiramente, não

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread lowdr...@gmail.com
Opa, Leandro. Obrigado! Fazendo dessa forma, pelo menos em minha máquina ... também mostra todos os pacotes que podem ser atualizados para o unstable. Só consigo ver claramente os pacotes que pertencem ao unstable _se_ eles estão atualizados ... pq aí mostra: - nodejs/unstable uptodate 0.6.19

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato
Em 29-05-2013 00:52, lowdr...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoas, procurei por muito tempo e desisti. Mas me parece impossível que o Debian não disponibilize uma forma. Como faço para listar os pacotes unstable instalados em meu sistema? O mesmo vale para pacotes do testing e experimental. Eu uso

Re: Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-29 Thread Adriano Rafael Gomes
On Wed, May 29, 2013 12:52 am, lowdr...@gmail.com wrote: Como faço para listar os pacotes unstable instalados em meu sistema? O mesmo vale para pacotes do testing e experimental. Olá. Tente adaptar isto ao teu caso: http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Advanced_search_patterns -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Como listar os pacotes instalados no sistema de testing/unstable

2013-05-28 Thread lowdr...@gmail.com
Pessoas, procurei por muito tempo e desisti. Mas me parece impossível que o Debian não disponibilize uma forma. Como faço para listar os pacotes unstable instalados em meu sistema? O mesmo vale para pacotes do testing e experimental. Eu uso stable e as vezes instalei um ou outro pacotes desses

Re: Unstable release is expired

2013-04-22 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:00:02 +0200 Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Means that mirror is stale. The Argonne National Laboratory goes stale..Is this austerity in action. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Unstable release is expired

2013-04-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Charles Kroeger wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Means that mirror is stale. The Argonne National Laboratory goes stale..Is this austerity in action. US Sequestration in action? (chuckle) I doubt that is the reason. At least not yet. Maybe soon though. Mirrors are managed by people volunteering

Unstable release is expired

2013-04-21 Thread Charles Kroeger
root@mundo:/home/charles# apt-get update Get:1 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu testing Release.gpg [836 B] Get:2 http://mirror.anl.gov unstable Release.gpg [836B] Get:3 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu unstable Release.gpg [836B] Hit http://mirror.anl.gov unstable Release Get:4 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu

Re: Unstable release is expired

2013-04-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Charles Kroeger wrote: E: Release file for http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/dists/unstable/Release is expired (invalid since 23h 14min 9s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. Is this only for the anl.gov/debian/dist/unstable/ or does it mean (all) /unstable/Release is expired

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Personally I like the about two-year stable release schedule. It is long enough I appreciate knowing that our setup will not break due to this but also compile and download various packages like libreoffice and xfce-4.10. Now I would not expect libreoffice to be packaged but xfce-4.10 had a

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-15 Thread Rene Engelhard
, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386 And yes, 4.0.x will also be in wheezy-backports when it's time for that. Using it from unstable is bad, because it'll also give you a loads of libs not in wheezy which might easily end up pullling a new libc6 etc. Regards, Rene -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
unstable is bad, because it'll also give you a loads of libs not in wheezy which might easily end up pullling a new libc6 etc. You can install it very easily as a separately verifiable .deb package (actually many but the wildcards bring it to about 4 commands). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-15 Thread Thilo Six
Hello Kevin, Excerpt from Kevin Chadwick: -- snip -- libreoffice | 1:4.0.2~rc2-2 | experimental | source, amd64, armel, i386, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386 And yes, 4.0.x will also be in wheezy-backports when it's time for that. Using it from unstable is bad, because it'll

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-14 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 06:49:46PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Incidentally. I do wonder if debian stable should accelerate some packages which follow a more stable dev cycle like xfce-4.10 where it has already been well tested. Won't happen. That is what Debian Backports is for. IMHO it is

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-14 Thread Bob Proulx
workable, or even fair. Agreed to all. When people think they want something that is rolling newer then they probably should use Unstable. Since that gives them the upstream versions packaged as quickly as practical for Debian. (Except like now when we are in a freeze before release

Re: Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-13 Thread Clive Standbridge
I do not mean building from source using configure make, but creating a debian package using source debian package from unstable with tools like dpkg-buildpackage or uupdate. There's a handy guide to that (apart from the uupdate bit) at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Then again, if you build from source, you'll lose the automatic upgrade feature provided by apt/aptitude. Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe so. There are some debian source building tools and mepis archives are usable perhaps best with pinning. I plan to experiment with the

Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Tom Browder
Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? Best regards, -Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Ven 12 avril 2013 13:33, Tom Browder a écrit : Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? Best regards, Sure. The technique is named apt-pinning, you can find some documentation here: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Lars Noodén
On 4/12/13 2:33 PM, Tom Browder wrote: Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? Best regards, -Tom If the package you want is not in backports, then you could try apt-pinning: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences Regards

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Morel Bérenger berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le Ven 12 avril 2013 13:33, Tom Browder a écrit : Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? ... The technique is named apt-pinning, you can find some

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 04/12/2013 01:33 PM, Tom Browder wrote: Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? Best regards, -Tom You can try it, but in most cases it is not a good idea. Most of the packages have dependencies which are not available

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Alex Mestiashvili alexander.mestiashv...@biotec.tu-dresden.de wrote: On 04/12/2013 01:33 PM, Tom Browder wrote: Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? ... You can try it, but in most cases

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 04/12/2013 02:16 PM, Tom Browder wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Alex Mestiashvili alexander.mestiashv...@biotec.tu-dresden.de wrote: On 04/12/2013 01:33 PM, Tom Browder wrote: Is it possible to fine tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Lars Noodén
I suggest to get the source packages instead and rebuild them for your environment. Check first to see if it is in backports. If it is there that will save having to build it from source. Not everything is there, but if it is, it will save time. Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Soare Catalin
tune the package sources so as to use unstable only for certain packages? ... You can try it, but in most cases it is not a good idea. Most of the packages have dependencies which are not available in stable or testing and if you try to get all of them, than after some time your system

Re: Using unstable for certain packages

2013-04-12 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
Then again, if you build from source, you'll lose the automatic upgrade feature provided by apt/aptitude. Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. And if you take a package from unstable than you install the dependencies from unstable as well. And having automatic updates from

unstable kernel in testing

2013-03-31 Thread Geert Stappers
Hallo, Met dit bericht parkeer een tip in het archief van deze mailinglist. Deze ML heeft niet zoveel berichten als de debian kernel mailinglist. Hier is deze tip dan ook makkelijker terug te vinden. Het gaat over een unstable kernel in testing. - Forwarded message from Ben Hutchings

Re: unstable kernel in testing

2013-03-31 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
line for unstable. So long as /etc/apt/apt.conf includes the line: APT::Default-Release wheezy;' this won't cause anything else to be upgraded. Nu geldt deze tip niet alleen voor de kernel, maar voor alles uit sid. In wheezy kun je deze regel in /etc/apt/sources.list hebben staan

Re: Grub gone nuts after recent dist-upgrade in unstable

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Kroeger
Is os-prober still installed? Does /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober exist? Yes it does -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Debian Unstable now has FVWM 2.6.5

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Bannister
Hi, http://www.mail-archive.com/fvwm@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16819.html -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-20 Thread Pierre Crescenzo
Bonjour, Merci beaucoup à tous pour vos avis et retours d'expérience concernant testing et unstable ! Après leur lecture et réflexion, je vais rester en testing qui me semble, pour mon usage, le meilleur compromis entre stabilité et évolutivité. Cordialement, [CITATION ALÉATOIRE : C'est la

testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Pierre Crescenzo
Bonjour, En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce qu'elle est stable :-) ou en unstable parce qu'elle n'a pas beaucoup plus de soucis

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
Pierre Crescenzo, 2013-01-18 09:30+0100: En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce qu'elle est stable :-) ou en unstable parce

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Pierre Crescenzo
Bonjour, En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce qu'elle est stable :-) ou en unstable parce qu'elle n'a pas beaucoup plus de

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Bzzz
des retours d'expérience avant de me lancer éventuellement. As-tu l'expérience de telles configurations ? Qu'est-ce que ça donne comme différences, pragmatiquement ? Mauvaise expérience en testing il y a qq années, donc passage en unstable qui ne m'a jamais rendu la machine inutilisable, sauf si

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Nicolas Pechon
éventuellement. As-tu l'expérience de telles configurations ? Qu'est-ce que ça donne comme différences, pragmatiquement ? Merci. Bonjour, 1 imac 2 PC 1 portables (bientôt deux) Et tous sous testing (avec quelque pacquage d'unstable) Je n'ai jamais essayé directement unstable. Testing a beaucoup plus de

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le vendredi 18 janvier 2013 à 10:41:03, Pierre Crescenzo a écrit : Bonjour, ’jour, […] Je ne pense pas qu'on puisse s'attendre à ce que la unstable soit plus stable que la testing : c'est certes par elle qu'arrivent les correctifs, mais c'est par elle aussi qu'arrivent les bugs

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Guillaume Caron
Le vendredi 18 janvier 2013 à 09:30 +0100, Pierre Crescenzo a écrit : Bonjour, En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le vendredi 18 janvier 2013, Pierre Crescenzo a écrit... Oui, c'est la définition. :-) Mais je suis plus intéressé par ce que ça donne dans la réalité des faits quotidiens. Les conseils indiquant de ne pas rester en testing ne sont pas si rares et je voudrais avoir des

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Jean-Jacques Doti
Salut, Le 18/01/2013 11:25, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le vendredi 18 janvier 2013 à 10:41:03, Pierre Crescenzo a écrit : Bonjour, ’jour, […] Je ne pense pas qu'on puisse s'attendre à ce que la unstable soit plus stable que la testing : c'est certes par elle qu'arrivent les correctifs

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread maderios
On 01/18/2013 09:30 AM, Pierre Crescenzo wrote: Bonjour, En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce qu'elle est stable :-) ou en

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
lancer éventuellement. As-tu l'expérience de telles configurations ? Qu'est-ce que ça donne comme différences, pragmatiquement ? Merci. Je n'ai encore jamais utilisé entièrement unstable. Chaque fois que j'ai eu des problèmes avec testing, j'ai simplement pris les nouvelles versions des paquets

Re: testing ou unstable

2013-01-18 Thread Jérôme
Pierre Crescenzo, 2013-01-18 09:30+0100: En cette période de freeze, je me repose une question qui me revient souvent... J'avais lu un jour une analyse qui conseillait de se positionner en stable ou unstable plutôt qu'en testing. En stable parce qu'elle est stable :-) ou en unstable

Re: Grub gone nuts after recent dist-upgrade in unstable

2013-01-17 Thread Tom H
partition on the second HD that is /dev/sdb The only options currently available is the i386 version of Linux unstable I had on /dev/sda and the one I'm using to write this letter. On running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc I get no errors when selecting the /dev/sda and /dev/sdb drives but nothing shows

Grub gone nuts after recent dist-upgrade in unstable

2013-01-15 Thread Charles Kroeger
version of Linux unstable I had on /dev/sda and the one I'm using to write this letter. On running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc I get no errors when selecting the /dev/sda and /dev/sdb drives but nothing shows up on the generated /grub.cfg file that would indicate this. I tried to restore grub using

Re: Grub gone nuts after recent dist-upgrade in unstable[SOLVED]

2013-01-15 Thread Charles Kroeger
I don't know what the hell happened there but I used Rescautux Disk again and selected the 'Super Grub2 Disk' option that then offers the powerful menu item of finding any bootable operating system on your computer..I was then able to boot into my AMD64 unstable partition and run dpkg-reconfigure

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-25 Thread john gennard
On 24/06/12 18:19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating problems with the graphic card. Would it

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 25 iun 12, 08:50:41, john gennard wrote: On 24/06/12 18:19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-25 Thread Lisi
On Monday 25 June 2012 11:36:06 Andrei POPESCU wrote: For single packages it is very easy, just     apt-get install -t squeeze-backports package Andrei - John will need to add backports to his sources.list, surely. Or has he already done so, and I have been asleep? Lisi -- To

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-25 Thread john gennard
On 25/06/12 16:09, Lisi wrote: On Monday 25 June 2012 11:36:06 Andrei POPESCU wrote: For single packages it is very easy, just apt-get install -t squeeze-backportspackage Andrei - John will need to add backports to his sources.list, surely. Or has he already done so, and I

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-25 Thread john gennard
On 25/06/12 11:36, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 iun 12, 08:50:41, john gennard wrote: On 24/06/12 18:19, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-24 Thread john gennard
On 12/06/12 16:45, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 12 iun 12, 11:57:13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you still can't get it to work send the file to me directly and I'll quote the relevant parts (or upload it all to the paste). John sent it to me directly, but I can't spot anything wrong so

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 24 iun 12, 16:49:43, john gennard wrote: I have eliminated problems with the mouse. Also, I've used a small partition on the drive and installed Win XP and this works perfectly thus eliminating problems with the graphic card. Would it be feasible for you to try the kernel and Xorg

Re: Sound disappeared after unstable upgrade

2012-06-16 Thread Alan Chandler
On 15/06/12 07:28, Alan Chandler wrote: On 14/06/12 22:27, Alan Chandler wrote: I upgraded my sid system with the latest set of packages. I have now lost by sound, but I am not sure why. When I run alsamixer as root I see a device that appears to be the sound chip on my motherboard, and

Re: Sound disappeared after unstable upgrade

2012-06-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 09:01:23AM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: It is still not fixed for me. I am getting the udev errors during startup and then get to the logon point with no mouse or keyboard. To get them, I have to unplug and plug them in again and they come back. I can then login.

Re: Sound disappeared after unstable upgrade

2012-06-15 Thread Alan Chandler
On 14/06/12 22:27, Alan Chandler wrote: I upgraded my sid system with the latest set of packages. I have now lost by sound, but I am not sure why. When I run alsamixer as root I see a device that appears to be the sound chip on my motherboard, and using aplay to send a .wav file works. If

Re: Sound disappeared after unstable upgrade

2012-06-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 22:27 +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: I presume I have a pulseaudio problem I never heard about issues with PA. It's the best sound server ever. All DEs should make it a dependency and people should stop whining about PA and stop spreading FUD. There's nothing as fantastic as

Sound disappeared after unstable upgrade

2012-06-14 Thread Alan Chandler
I upgraded my sid system with the latest set of packages. I have now lost by sound, but I am not sure why. When I run alsamixer as root I see a device that appears to be the sound chip on my motherboard, and using aplay to send a .wav file works. If I run as me - a user, alsamixer shows a

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-12 Thread john gennard
On 11/06/12 18:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 17:05 +0100, john gennard wrote: On 11/06/12 16:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hmm, I would have expected at least a mention of loading the firmware. Could you please upload your dmesg to paste.debian.net? Not sure

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 12 iun 12, 09:21:04, john gennard wrote: I'm having trouble using the above link. You shouldn't try to use Ralf's links, but generate your own: 1. go to http://paste.debian.net 2. copy-paste the output in the big box (or browse for the file containing the text[1]) 3. click on Send

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 09:21 +0100, john gennard wrote: On 11/06/12 18:35, Ralf Mardorf wrote: http://paste.debian.net/ I'm having trouble using the above link. The attempts all finish with the following error in Icedove:- 'problem occurred while loading the URL'

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 12 iun 12, 11:57:13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you still can't get it to work send the file to me directly and I'll quote the relevant parts (or upload it all to the paste). John sent it to me directly, but I can't spot anything wrong so I uploaded it to the paste:

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread john gennard
On 10/06/12 18:07, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 10 iun 12, 17:13:10, john gennard wrote: Any suggestions, but remember I'm getting towards the gaga stage, so in simple English please. Please (in this order): - make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 11 iun 12, 09:17:25, john gennard wrote: 'firmware-linux-nonfree' was not installed. I have now done so, but it does not seem to make any difference. Forgot to mention, but did you restart your computer after doing so? - attach the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log Attached - but it is

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread john gennard
On 11/06/12 12:35, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 11 iun 12, 09:17:25, john gennard wrote: 'firmware-linux-nonfree' was not installed. I have now done so, but it does not seem to make any difference. Forgot to mention, but did you restart your computer after doing so? Yes, I

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 11 iun 12, 14:42:24, john gennard wrote: root@debian:/# dmesg | grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)' [5.415560] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. [5.415665] radeon :01:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 16 [5.415669] radeon :01:00.0: setting latency

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread john gennard
On 11/06/12 16:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 11 iun 12, 14:42:24, john gennard wrote: root@debian:/# dmesg | grep -i '\(firmware\|radeon\|kms\)' [5.415560] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. [5.415665] radeon :01:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 16 (level, low) - IRQ 16 [

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 17:05 +0100, john gennard wrote: On 11/06/12 16:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hmm, I would have expected at least a mention of loading the firmware. Could you please upload your dmesg to paste.debian.net? Not sure what you want me to do, I'm attaching 'dmesg'

Re: Dependency-based boot ordering and sysvinit in unstable

2012-06-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Roger Leigh dixit: However, if you have any lingering scripts without any LSB headers, you'll need to fix them up or remove them to allow dynamic boot ordering to be enabled. This is obviously not too desirable, since sudo apt-get --purge install file-rc insserv- bye //mirabilos --

unstable web browsers

2012-06-10 Thread john gennard
I think my Xorg configuration requires some adjustment. Whenever I go into a web browser, the picture jumps about when I use the mouse before settling down again. I'm using Debian 6.05 with a basic graphic card - a ATI Radeon HD 5480. I've read up on the Xorg set up, but there's no config file

Re: unstable web browsers

2012-06-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 10 iun 12, 17:13:10, john gennard wrote: Any suggestions, but remember I'm getting towards the gaga stage, so in simple English please. Please (in this order): - make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed - attach the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic

Dependency-based boot ordering and sysvinit in unstable

2012-06-07 Thread Roger Leigh
Hi, If you're using unstable and you're using static boot ordering with sysv-rc, you might have run into #676463/#676520. We've been using dynamic dependency-based boot ordering by default for quite some time now. However, if you had a lenny (or earlier) system, prior to sysv-rc 2.88dsf-23

Debian unstable ce matin

2012-05-01 Thread valentin
Bonjour la liste, J'ai mis à jour un peu rapidement ma Debian ce matin, et notamment xserver-xorg-[core|common] est passé de 1.11.4-1 à 1.12.1-1, mais aussi et surtout tout les server-xorg-[input|video] ont été supprimé. Je l'ai vu un peu tard. Je suppose que c'est relatif à

Re: Debian unstable ce matin

2012-05-01 Thread Valentin Surrel
Le mardi 01 mai 2012 à 09:55 +0200, valen...@surrel.org a écrit : Bonjour la liste, J'ai mis ça : Package: xserver-xorg* Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 991 et réinstallé mon serveur X. Ca a marché, mais je sais pas si c'est la manière la plus propre... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste

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