Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:51:48 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Johann Spies wrote: > > > This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to > > single > > user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type > > anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade yesterday c

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-20 Thread deloptes
Johann Spies wrote: > This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to > single > user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type > anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. No one is doing upgrades during the week - do it on Fr

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are >>> limits. And that was not the way to have done it. >> >> I'm not sure what

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-01 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >[... (having said what I said, there is not much purpose in repeating it here) >...] >> In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are >> limits. And that was not the way to have do

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote: >>> Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie >>> napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms >>>

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote: >> Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie >> napísal: >>> >>> You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms >>> where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:47:45 -0400 Tom H napísal: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote: > > Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie > > napísal: > >> > >> You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test > >> platforms where breakage is to be expected? They

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie > napísal: >> >> You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms >> where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything >> "mission critical", that's what stable

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:58:04PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > >...snip.. > >> > >> Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > >> > >>https:/

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 22:14:12 +0100, Brian wrote: > It is also at > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no Copy/paste error https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 25 iul 14, 13:33:28, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. > > > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > > > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > > > very, very carefully.

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 13:33:28 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. > > > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > > > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > > > very, very

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. >> >> Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read >> >>https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no >> >> very, very carefully. If it

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is > happening in t

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-25 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 09:59:36 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: [A little snip] > Over the years I have developed little tricks to smooth over the > inevitable rough times in the transition to a new release. This time > is different. Before, when I sensed that a pre-release freeze was > immanent I wou

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 16:45:42 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > Sven Joachim writes: > > > You should be able to find them in the journal, see journalctl(1). > > Note that that systemd clears the boot messages by default when it > > starts getty, see [2] on how to change that. > > > > Cheers, > >

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Joe
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:00:05 +0200 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie > napísal: > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > > > > I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way > > > it is going to waste my ti

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140724_1411+0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > > On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie wrote: > > > > I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now. > > I have never experienced anything like this. > > You are now. :) >

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble
Sven Joachim writes: > On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote: > >> Johann Spies writes: >> >>> This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to >>> single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could >>> not >>> type anything on the terminal.  I suspect

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-24 16:18 +0200, Sharon Kimble wrote: > Johann Spies writes: > >> This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to >> single user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could >> not >> type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused i

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Sharon Kimble
Johann Spies writes: > This morning my work laptop would not boot.  I could not even get to single > user mode initially and when I got  as far as that I could not > type anything on the terminal.  I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. > > In the end I had to search for a windows user who

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 14:24:36 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie wrote: > > I am aware of that and has been using testing/sid for about 13 years now. > I have never experienced anything like this. You are now. :) Look on the bright side; the BTS came to the rescue.

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie napísal: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > > I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it > > is going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation > > of my system and the

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 24/07/14 14:24, Johann Spies wrote: > On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie > wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > > I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is > > going to waste my time, I wi

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies
On 24 July 2014 14:00, Tom Furie wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > > > I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is > > going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my > > system and then use something that is

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Tom Furie
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 01:12:32PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: > I know systemd is not an option any more, but if this is the way it is > going to waste my time, I will have to look at a reinstallation of my > system and then use something that is less buggy than Debian Testing/Sid. You are, of c

systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-24 Thread Johann Spies
This morning my work laptop would not boot. I could not even get to single user mode initially and when I got as far as that I could not type anything on the terminal. I suspect some upgrade yesterday caused it. In the end I had to search for a windows user who could write me a debian-live cd.