On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 07:47:04PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> In these difficult times, if I could afford a typing teacher, they'd
> better keep their mouth shut.
>
> :-)
>
> And in any case, if they were not able to teach me computer keyboarding,
> as opposed to the ancient art of ruling the ty
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:41:20PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> >> Yes, C-h in Emacs should perform some kind of backspace operation
> >> (back-deletion or at least movement), since C-h in ASCII is the
> >> Backspace character.
> >
> > I believe that like C-S/C-Q and friends
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:02:03AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
...
>
>> Yes, C-h in Emacs should perform some kind of backspace operation
>> (back-deletion or at least movement), since C-h in ASCII is the
>> Backspace character.
>
> I believe that like C-S/C-Q and friends thi
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 06:45:47PM EDT, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> >On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:38:36AM EDT, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> >>On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:08:59PM -0400, Chris Jones
> >> was heard to say:
> >I didn't say anything..
> >
> >>>There appear to be keyboards where
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:02:03AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:49:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> >> Chris Jones wrote:
> >>> [..]
> >>>
> >>> ... homo sapiens ... opposable thumb.
> ...
> > The indirect relationship is that thumbs are both v
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:38:36AM EDT, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:08:59PM -0400, Chris Jones
> was heard to say:
I didn't say anything..
> > There appear to be keyboards where some keys are physically located
> > in a spot that's easily accessible with the thumbs.
> >
Daniel Burrows wrote:
> ...: one of my colleagues bought a keyboard with pedals a
> few years ago. As I understand it, the pedals are used for shift
> states and control characters -- I haven't used it myself, but it seems
> like an interesting idea, and it continues the pianistic angle here. :-)
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:49:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
Chris Jones wrote:
>>> [..]
>>>
>>> ... homo sapiens ... opposable thumb.
...
> The indirect relationship is that thumbs
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:08:59PM -0400, Chris Jones was
heard to say:
> There appear to be keyboards where some keys are physically located in a
> spot that's easily accessible with the thumbs.
>
> Maybe I should buy one?
On that note: one of my colleagues bought a keyboard with pedals a
f
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:08:59PM EDT, Chris Jones wrote:
erratum...
> My curling ability only extends about two keys-widths to the left of
^^
he
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:49:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> >> Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > [..]
> >
> >>> Where the above no longer works for me is when the two action keys
> >>> do not belong to the same
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> Where the above no longer works for me is when the two action keys
>>> do not belong to the same half of the keyboard - such as Ctrl-X
>>> Ctrl-P, because I would use my right
> Seriously, left pinky on the key to the right of the "A" key and left
> ring finger on the "Z" key at the same time...?
Here's how I'd do it: left-pinky on control (sometimes labelled as
"capslock"), left-index on x, right-middle finger on p.
> Not only is this very difficult to get right cons
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
[..]
> > Where the above no longer works for me is when the two action keys
> > do not belong to the same half of the keyboard - such as Ctrl-X
> > Ctrl-P, because I would use my right thumb to action the Control
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:47:46AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
...
>>
>> You can go: Control-down, x-down, f-down, Control-up, x-up, f-up; and
>> that can be done in one rolling motion in about 1/3 of a second.
>
> More like one tenth of a second for an average typist..
True
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 09:14:32PM EDT, Chris Jones wrote:
[..]
> Though I'm a bit sceptical ..
Uh.. skeptical, possibly?
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On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 04:36:20PM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote:
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> [Changed Subject as it no longer concerns emacs.]
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:14:20PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
[..]
> > For some reason this does not appear to work when you remap to
> > Ctrl-P.. the previous ommand command
[Changed Subject as it no longer concerns emacs.]
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:14:20PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
>
> I believe you would want to use the Ctrl-P & Ctrl-N mappings to navigate
> the "command-line mode" history in vim so as to be in sync' with the
> readline emacs defaults.
>
> In vi
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:07:38AM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:43:24AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:11:05PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> > > Sure.. I use vim rather than vi but the "command-mode" default key
> > > mapping, for instance, is pre
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:43:24AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:11:05PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> > Sure.. I use vim rather than vi but the "command-mode" default key
> > mapping, for instance, is pretty awful.
>
> CTRL-[ is easier.
I believe you would want to use th
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:43:24AM EDT, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:11:05PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> > Sure.. I use vim rather than vi but the "command-mode" default key
> > mapping, for instance, is pretty awful.
>
> CTRL-[ is easier.
I could have sworn I had typed "co
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 06:11:05PM -0400, Chris Jones wrote:
> Sure.. I use vim rather than vi but the "command-mode" default key
> mapping, for instance, is pretty awful.
CTRL-[ is easier.
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On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:47:46AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
[..]
> Are you still talking in the context of Emacs? If so:
>
> You won't need to reach the arrow keys, etc., once you've learned the
> traditional Emacs movement keystrokes. (In fact, that would also
> apply to vi.) But you need
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 11:42:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
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>> Have you tried mapping the Control key back to where it was when Emacs
>> was designed (and where it belongs--just to the left of the A key (on
>> QWERTY keyboards))?
>
> Used that for a long time .. the loc
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 11:42:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > [...]
> > ergonomically sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another
> > shot.
>
> Hvae you fingers trying to use Emacs with the Control key where IBM
> moved it to on PCs?
> Have you tried mapping the
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 12:47:31PM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
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> Chris Jones wrote:
> > On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:30:25AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
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> >> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what
> >> can emacs do t
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>> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:30:25AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
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>>> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
>>> emacs do that a separate tool can't do?
>> It can int
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> Barclay, Daniel wrote:
>> Harry Rickards wrote:
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>>> Have you tried configuring Outlook to send in plain text by default,
>>> using the instructions at http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#out2002?
>> Read my signature more
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> Barclay, Daniel wrote:
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>> Have you tried mapping the Control key back to where it was when Emacs
>> was designed
>> (and where it belongs--just to the left of the A key (on QWERTY keyboards))?
>>
>> If not, be sure
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Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Harry Rickards wrote:
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>> Have you tried configuring Outlook to send in plain text by default,
>> using the instructions at http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#out2002?
>
> Read my signature more carefully.
>
> Daniel
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Harry Rickards wrote:
> Have you tried configuring Outlook to send in plain text by default,
> using the instructions at http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#out2002?
Read my signature more carefully.
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Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
>> [...]
>> ergonomically sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another shot.
>
> Hvae you fingers trying to use Emacs with the Control key where IBM
> moved it to on
> PCs?
>
> Have you tried mapping t
Chris Jones wrote:
> [...]
> ergonomically sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another shot.
Hvae you fingers trying to use Emacs with the Control key where IBM moved it to
on
PCs?
Have you tried mapping the Control key back to where it was when Emacs was
designed
(and where it belongs--j
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Barclay, Daniel wrote:
> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:30:25AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
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>> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
>> emacs do that a separate tool can't do?
>
> It can integrate those separate tools.
>
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:30:25AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
> emacs do that a separate tool can't do?
It can integrate those separate tools.
The biggest non-editing things for which I use Emacs are its shell mode
(CLI com
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>> jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
>>> Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
>>> http://en.wi
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> jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
>> Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 and will talk to us?
>> Isn't that an independent package, emacsp
Harry Rickards writes:
> Also, although GNU Emacs was written by GNU and GNU's Not UNIX, I think
> (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) it was originally written for
> UNIX.
Emacs was originally written by Richard Stallman for ITS.
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Mike Castle wrote:
> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Paul Scott wrote:
>> GNU is an OS, Linux is a kernel.
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>> Unfortunately popular usage has led to Linux incorrectly meaning GNU/Linux
>> and even more.
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> How much GNU software is required befor
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Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what c
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Mike Castle wrote:
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> If I use a BSD kernel with mostly GNU software, do I have to call it
> GNU/BSD? (Something I'd find very amusing, by the way.)
Oddly enough, in a completely different context, I did just come
across a reference to GNU/kFreeBSD. So I guess f
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Paul Scott wrote:
> GNU is an OS, Linux is a kernel.
>
> Unfortunately popular usage has led to Linux incorrectly meaning GNU/Linux
> and even more.
How much GNU software is required before it has to have the GNU moniker?
If my machine uses the Linux kernel is mo
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Harry Rickards writes:
Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what
can
emacs do that a separate tool can't do? Surely if emacs is more
than an
editor,
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John Hasler wrote:
> Harry Rickards writes:
>> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
>> emacs do that a separate tool can't do? Surely if emacs is more than an
>> editor, it doesn't follow Doug McIlroy's UNIX philosophy
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Chris Jones wrote:
> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:30:25AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
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>> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
>> emacs do that a separate tool can't do? Surely if emacs is more than
>> an editor, it doe
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 09:57:55AM EDT, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>
>> Chris Jones wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>
>
>>> I can find some config file or other that provides ergonomically
>>> sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another shot.
>>>
>>>
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 09:57:55AM EDT, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > [...]
> > I can find some config file or other that provides ergonomically
> > sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another shot.
> >
>
> You mean the cua mode?[0]
>
> [0]http://www.emacswiki.o
Chris Jones wrote:
> [...]
> I can find some config file or other that
> provides ergonomically sound keyboard mappings, I should give it another
> shot.
>
You mean the cua mode?[0]
[0]http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CuaMode
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No harm done. I was going to reply off-list and then I noticed that you
had re-posted.
> >>> Why mu
Harry Rickards writes:
> Plus, even though emacs does other stuff apart from editing, what can
> emacs do that a separate tool can't do? Surely if emacs is more than an
> editor, it doesn't follow Doug McIlroy's UNIX philosophy
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Subject: Re: why must emacs depend on sound packages?
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 12:27:06 +0100
From: Harry Rickards
To: Chris Jones
References: <87hc04v
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 08:02:09PM EDT, John Hasler wrote:
> jidanni wrote:
> > Why must emacs depend on sound packages?
>
> I had never noticed that. Pretty objectionable, I think. I have no use
> for sound in Emacs. It should be at most a "Suggests".
>
> Ch
jidanni wrote:
> Why must emacs depend on sound packages?
I had never noticed that. Pretty objectionable, I think. I have no use
for sound in Emacs. It should be at most a "Suggests".
Chris Jones writes:
> I don't want to turn this into a flamewar, but couldn't you
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> jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> > Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 and will talk to us?
> > Isn
On 2009-05-01 21:11 +0200, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 and will talk to us?
No, but some people may want to use M-x play-sound-file, and libasound2
will be installed on most desktop systems
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jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 and will talk to us?
> Isn't that an independent package, emacspeak?
>
> Shouldn't there be a way to insta
Why must emacs depend on sound packages? Is emacs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 and will talk to us?
Isn't that an independent package, emacspeak?
Shouldn't there be a way to install an emacs without sound packages?
Even the nox version depends on them. Does emacs say things
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