Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-27 Thread Brian
On Thu 26 May 2016 at 17:05:02 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 26 May 2016 at 20:29:30 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > Life is too short to worry about whether network-manager delivers the > > goods. Just use ifupdown and wpa_supplicant and you will live happily > > ever after. > > > > People

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-26 Thread David Wright
On Thu 26 May 2016 at 20:29:30 (+0100), Brian wrote: > Life is too short to worry about whether network-manager delivers the > goods. Just use ifupdown and wpa_supplicant and you will live happily > ever after. > > People are fixated on wicd. What is so wrong with wpagui? Finding I had this

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-26 Thread Britton Kerin
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Brian wrote: > On Wed 25 May 2016 at 21:21:14 -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Brian wrote: >> > >> > The OP deposited his FUD in -user (twice), completely ignored the >> > invitation

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 25 May 2016 at 21:21:14 -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > The OP deposited his FUD in -user (twice), completely ignored the > > invitation to explore a technical solution using ifupdown and has now > > Regardless of

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 25 May 2016 21:21:14 -0800 Britton Kerin wrote: Hello Britton, >Regardless of ifupdown, I want network-manager to work >like it's supposed to, i.e. the same way in a dbus-launch-spawned >session as under gnome. It doesn't. That a bug, not FUD. Just yesterday,

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-25 Thread Britton Kerin
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 23 May 2016 at 09:07:36 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Sunday 22 May 2016 22:56:36 Richard Owlett wrote: >> > > >> > > So what ever B says

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-25 Thread Latin
On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:13:38 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 24 May 2016 at 01:17:44 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > >> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: >> > "Arseholes" is the correct terminology. You've not posted enough >> > nonsense in this thread yet for it to

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-24 Thread Victor Padro
On May 24, 2016 12:45 PM, "Seeker" wrote: > > > > On 5/23/2016 12:50 PM, Nicolas George wrote: >> >> Le quintidi 5 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit : American? There are two continents. Do you mean the U.S.A? - the land of the rooster and other

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-24 Thread Seeker
On 5/23/2016 12:50 PM, Nicolas George wrote: Le quintidi 5 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit : American? There are two continents. Do you mean the U.S.A? - the land of the rooster and other euphemistic terms? What becomes of Canada and Mexico in that scenario?? A friend of mine

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Don Armstrong
This entire subthread is off topic. Please stop posting to it. -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com There is no form of lead-poisoning which more rapidly and thoroughly pervades the blood and bones and marrow than that which reaches the young author through mental

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Could you please stop this OT? Thanks. Il 23 maggio 2016 23:58:57 CEST, John Hasler ha scritto: >Lisi writes: >> What becomes of Canada and Mexico in that scenario?? > >The ruling class in Mexico would have been seen as Spanish. The >Canadians seem to have gotten firmly

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > What becomes of Canada and Mexico in that scenario?? The ruling class in Mexico would have been seen as Spanish. The Canadians seem to have gotten firmly labled Canadian early on (after they stopped being French). You'll have to ask the 18th century Europeans why they weren't

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 23 May 2016 21:06:56 Joe wrote: > It used to be known as Notwork Manager, Or Network Mangler. ;-) Lisi

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Joe
On Sat, 21 May 2016 21:02:15 -0800 Britton Kerin wrote: > somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, > and none of the command line tools or references I've found work. > That includes /etc/network/interfaces, > direct use of

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Nicolas George
Le quintidi 5 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > American? There are two continents. Do you mean the U.S.A? - the land of > > the rooster and other euphemistic terms? > What becomes of Canada and Mexico in that scenario?? A friend of mine suggested "United States of Puritania" for the

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread John Hasler
Brian writes: > American? There are two continents. Europeans attached the label "American" to residents of the USA (and predecessor semi-autonomous British territories) back in the 18th century. Their visitors from South America self-identified as Spanish or Portuguese. -- John Hasler

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 22 May 2016, Britton Kerin wrote: > Trying to run nmcli fails from other window managers with dbus errors, > which it absolutely shouldn't do since network-manager is running. > Same with nm-connection-editor and wicd-client, they are all > apparently dependent on dbus now, and dbus

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 23 May 2016 20:13:38 Brian wrote: > On Tue 24 May 2016 at 01:17:44 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > "Arseholes" is the correct terminology. You've not posted enough > > > nonsense in this thread yet for it to be

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Brian
On Tue 24 May 2016 at 01:17:44 +1200, cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > "Arseholes" is the correct terminology. You've not posted enough > > nonsense in this thread yet for it to be applied to you. But you could > > try really hard. ;)

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread Brian
On Mon 23 May 2016 at 09:07:36 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 22 May 2016 22:56:36 Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > So what ever B says goes? > > > Please *NO* ! > > > > Richard - this snipping is very

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread cbannister
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > "Arseholes" is the correct terminology. You've not posted enough > nonsense in this thread yet for it to be applied to you. But you could > try really hard. ;) In English it's "Arseholes"; in American it's "Assholes". -- The media's the

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-23 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 22 May 2016 22:56:36 Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 5/22/2016 3:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On Sun, May 22,

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 22 May 2016 22:56:36 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 5/22/2016 3:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> [...] it merely indicates your incompetence. > > > > Folks, I'm out of this

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Britton Kerin
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 5/22/2016 3:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: >>> >>> [...] it merely indicates your incompetence. >>

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Richard Owlett
On 5/22/2016 3:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] it merely indicates your incompetence. Folks, I'm out of this thread. So what ever B says goes? Please *NO* !

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:35:22PM +0100, Brian wrote: > [...] it merely indicates your incompetence. Folks, I'm out of this thread. - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Brian
On Sun 22 May 2016 at 10:34:02 -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:44 PM, wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:02:15PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > >> somehow network-manager makes it work. But

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Britton Kerin
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:44 PM, wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:02:15PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: >> somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, and none >> of the command line tools or

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread Jude DaShiell
an.org Subject: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible? Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 05:02:30 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, and none of the command line tools or references I've foun

Re: wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-22 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 09:02:15PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, and none > of the command line tools or references I've found work. That > includes /etc/network/interfaces, > direct

wireless without network-manager... is it still possible?

2016-05-21 Thread Britton Kerin
somehow network-manager makes it work. But I've had it with gnome, and none of the command line tools or references I've found work. That includes /etc/network/interfaces, direct use of ifconfig,iw,ip,rfkill,wpa_supplicant,dhclient, and wicd-client (though it's not really what I want. Is this