Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> I thought FD was also a vote for "release Lenny" given it didn't change >> the status quo and before the GR the release team were quite happy to >> release... > If you believe that the release team had the authority to release lenny > with an arbitrary amount of non-free software, then yes, tha

Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, its most probably not worth it taking time of everyone. Various IRC discussions told

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> So, I think you made a mistake, a very serious one, and when asked about it, > your explanation is completely unsatisfactory. How do we solve this? > Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they > think, and hold another vote. Do you have any other idea in mind?

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> > Do you have any other idea in mind? > Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to say, > this would be a good time. How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then? (No

Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]

2009-03-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Perhaps someone could set up a poll for DDs to indicate whether they > find the debates useful or not? [I think Jeroen was doing this last?] > If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for > DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the > debates use

Re: DPL Debates [Re: Debian Project Leader Election 2009]

2009-03-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> If someone can't set up a poll, I'll send another message asking for >> DDs to privately mail me (or maybe me-too to -vote) if they find the >> debates useful. > http://doodle.com/nmpesn9t5fwv6ewe Having this run for 7 days now, we had 72 participants. The question asked was "Are the Debian D

Re: GR proposal: the AGPL does not meet the DFSG

2009-03-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> Of course, had the FTP master rejected packages under the AGPL from the > archive, I would not have bothered with a GR. However I would like this > GR to be considered independently of the FTP master resolution. They are > not the target, the AGPL is. It is not seperate. You do want to override

Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General Resolutions is something that should be fixed. Currently it needs 5 supporters to get any idea laid before every Debian Developer to vote on. While this small number was a good thing at the time Debian was smaller, I thi

Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi, and here is the promised amendment which will require a maximum of floor(Q) developers to second a GR. PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size o

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> There are some that do not take part in the discussions but vote, there > are those who do not even follow debian-vote because they do not feel it > is worth the effort, and those that are simply not active at all. I do > not have the numbers right now, but IIRC we have had an average of 300

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11697 March 1977, Neil McGovern wrote: > AMENDMENT START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements > to initiate one are

Re: lifting censorship during the DPL campaign ...

2009-03-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11696 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > I come to you again, with the same request as i did last year, that you > lift the censorship you are imposing on me for the duration of the DPL > campaign on debian-vote. As you obviously do not know the word, lets copy what a dictionary or also Wikiped

Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Heyho, a little question to all those up for the next DPL: Do you plan on taking on a "2IC" or a team? If so: Who? And why this/those? Thanks. -- bye, Joerg Well, I’m tired of being a wannabe league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler! pgpc4eVogfX8Q.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> The second option aims at clarifying what is the source of the Debian > operating > system. It is controversial. It is a lot but not controversial, actually its pretty clear. For that statement alone *I* hope NOTA will have a big win over you, sorry. It shows you are way off with actual projec

Re: Q for all candidates: license and copyright requirements

2010-03-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> "Our users" includes not only an individual with a single computer who >> never sees the source, but also derivative distributions, private >> organizations, system administrators, etc, all of whom may need to >> modify the source for their own purposes. > Our users, if they want to modify, stu

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> (And to answer to the comment ‘you do not need to be DPL for doing this’, that > is true, but if I make a bad score at this election, I will conclude that > there > are not many persons interested in what I propose anyway, and will save > everybody's > time by not discussing them further in th

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is not what I > discuss here. I propose to let all DDs look what is in the NEW queue. (This > would of course help to review the NEW uploads). If there is ever any legal "fun" around this, it is a *HUGE* difference if you can say "On

Re: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members

2010-09-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 12238 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > --- > The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. > To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions, > including but not limited to: pa

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs

2010-09-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those sets > of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who need > that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate vetting of > their ability to use that access appropriately, just as someone would >

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs

2010-09-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 12243 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: >> > Even better, now with attachments! >> There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch >> attached. > > Applied (wording / punctuation fix), thanks! > > New current te

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13461 March 1977, Guillem Jover wrote: > I think that forcing a decision through the TC at this time was very > premature and inappropriate Quite the contrary, it was the right thing to do. This issue will not get any easier or more clearcut the longer we let it wait and see if maybe the maint

Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution

2015-10-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14106 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: >- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > >Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix > >Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical >Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. > >Unfortunately,

Re: General Resolution: Fix Minor Bugs in Constitution

2015-11-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14106 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: >- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS - > > >Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix > >Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical >Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1. > >Unfortunately,

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

2016-07-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14361 March 1977, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Deb

Re: Proposed GR: State exception for security bugs in Social Contract clause 3

2017-01-11 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14549 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote: > No-one who understands how GNU/Linux distributions work thinks that > there is anything problematic about short-term embargos of information > about serious security bugs. However, the SC is not just for those > people: it's also something for newcomers t

Re: having public irc logs?

2017-04-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14634 March 1977, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote: > Debian has a "we don't hide things" wording in his constitution. > However we don't have a public irc log system, and most > of the conversations between us are happening there. > How do you relate to that issue? Do you see it as a problem, > or

Re: Q: NEW process licence requirements

2018-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14993 March 1977, Adrian Bunk wrote: > As an example for a rule that does not make sense, recently a member of > the ftp team stated on debian-devel that the contents of NEW cannot be > made available to people outside the ftp team since it might not be > distributable, and that this is not ex

Re: Q: NEW process licence requirements

2018-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 14994 March 1977, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Since Debian distributing whatever random people upload to salsa > is fine for you, I fail to see the point why you would consider > distributing what is in the DD-only NEW a huge problem. It is not fine. But I've chosen to not go down the road that woul

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period be extended for some explicit time. I think that we want to have a known window for new nominations rather than say starting the campaigning as soon as someone nominates themselves. §5.2.4 to the re

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Zlatan Todorić wrote: So, funny, maybe we will live to our long history of community fostering (which is the thing I most enjoy from Debian, besides that we produce kickass OS) and be leaderless as we in all nature of project actually are. While the idea of going leaderles

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Debian Project Secretary wrote: Since there were no candidates during the nomination period, the nomination period has been extended by 1 week. Soo, lets ensure we do not have another week: I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. -- bye, Joerg signature.asc

Re: A few high level questions for all platforms

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote: * As a DPL, what steps would you take (if any) towards reducing the workload and breadth of activities the DPL is expected to engage in? Depending on the actual activity and there being any volunteers, it may get delegated. * Would you pursue

Re: A few high level questions for all platforms

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Michael Meskes wrote: But yes, depending on/with some events/companies, speaking as a DPL will be perceived much more strongly. Any "normal" DD won't be heard. If that is the case, and if its sufficient, a delegation can be good. Are you saying you would delegate the role

Re: Questions about "Winding down my Debian involvement"

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Andreas Tille wrote: Recently I've read the article "Winding down my Debian involvement" from Michael Stapelberg[1]. I consider that article an interesting reading and I would love to hear the opinion of the candidates about it. I read it and it influenced parts of my pla

Re: Q to all candidates: Universal Operating System

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote: To add to this question: Do candidates think Debian "competes" for "share"/"mindshare" of users and contributors in the "Linux distro" category? Whenever I get asked (especially at events) "I'm a new linux user, do you recommend Debian" or "I

Re: Q to all candidates: Universal Operating System

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: 1) So, if you were asked to write a Social Contract paragraph about our universality, defining/outlining both what we aim for, and also maybe some limits to that quest for universality, what would it be? I wouldn't be the one to write such a paragraph,

Re: Q to all candidates: Universal Operating System

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: I would like to reframe this question: When should we expect a Debian maintainer to put in effort for use cases, software designs, hardware platforms, etc., that they don't personally care about ? I have an answer to this: So long as most of the work is b

Re: Q to all candidates: SWOT analysis

2019-03-20 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: You are probably familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWOT_analysis Nope. Note that if you prefer not to frame this in the context of SWOT analysis, you can also answer the following four questions, which should result in basically the same in

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: As a random factoid related to this: in the Debian contributors survey that we ran a while ago, ~18% of the respondents who declared to be Debian contributors also declared to be paid (at least in part) for their contributions [1]. I think there i

Re: Questions about "Winding down my Debian involvement"

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote: I would actually like if we end up with a "git push turns into an upload". Which would need some central $thing for it to make it so. Not sure thats salsa. Or something seperately (but maybe together with it). We already have something that is quite clos

Re: Q to all candidates: SWOT analysis

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15347 March 1977, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote: One of the questions in my platform hinted at one point: The "package" managers various new languages came up with. Do you (and other candidates) see this as a threat or as an opportunity? Both. It is a threat if we do nothing and ignore it or

Re: Questions about "Winding down my Debian involvement"

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15348 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote: I won't write a long reply because it's not that important to the DPL election, but I did want to note that `dgit push-source` has answers for everything you've listed. I'd encourage you to take a(nother) look! Do those answers only apply if you still

Re: Discussion on eventual transition away from source packages

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15348 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Couldn't we imagine a schema where a push of an annotated signed tag to the salsa repository triggers a gitlab-ci job that notifies a service on ftp-master that there's a git repo with a suitable signed tag waiting? that service could then fetch the git

Re: Is free software political?

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15348 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote: My question is to the other 4 DPL candidates, and I'm happy to answer it too if anyone is interested in my view. Yes, please go. 1. Do you think that free software is inherently political? Do you think there's place for politics in free software? 2

Re: Is free software political?

2019-03-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15348 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote: 1. Do you think that free software is inherently political? Do you think there's place for politics in free software? 2. The same as #1, but for Debian instead of free software. Well, I think that in the case of #1, the Free Software Foundation (and h

Re: Discussion on eventual transition away from source packages

2019-03-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15349 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I'm probably missing something, but it doesn't sound like a lot of work to me? It's "just" a service that: Same here: You think about just something that keeps the traditional layout around. If one does that, yes, that service isn't too hard. I was th

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15352 March 1977, ans...@debian.org wrote: Do you think Debian should be more active to establish (official) presence on newer platforms? For those that are free, sure. In particular I also wonder if Debian should look at Matrix[1]: it is a free and decentralized platform, and the UI (of

Conflict of Interest Statement for Joerg Jaspert

2019-03-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi * Conflict of interest: I'm happy to see that your and Joerg's employers would support your DPL activities. However, I've no idea who they are or what they want from Debian. Maybe they use Debian and want to give back with no strings attached, but I could definitely see a situation where a

Re: Conflict of Interest Statement for Joerg Jaspert

2019-03-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15353 March 1977, martin f. krafft wrote: I am holding positions of power in Debian What does this mean in the context of you running for DPL? Will you hold on to these roles, or give them up? Thats part of my platform: --8<---cut here---start->8--- 7 Wh

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

2019-03-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15354 March 1977, Martin Michlmayr wrote: Really? Taking off weekends unless there's something urgent is "problematic"? For a volunteer, unpaid position? No. Taking time off is fine. I do that too, sometimes, or I wouldn't be a DD anymore after all this time. Announcing a set time where

Re: Q to all candidates: increase diversity with DDs outside Europe and USA

2019-03-30 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15357 March 1977, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: We have debated on the "debconf-discuss" mailing list about DebConf21 and it was said about the huge number of DD in Europe. So, what the DPL can do to increase the number of DDs in other regions outside Europe and USA? Well. Yes, its

Re: Q to all candidates: about advancing Debian (as organisation) while not being DPL

2019-03-30 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15356 March 1977, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: There are some teams in Debian that focus in areas similar to the DPL tasks and allow people to make a difference in the project working on them, without the need - and the burden? or the satisfaction? - of being a DPL. For example: * treasury,

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-03-30 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15356 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote: Did anything happen to that? (Or perhaps, that's better phrased as: did anything cause it to stall other than ENOTIME?) I'm guessing not? [1] ENOTIME. And ENOONEELSEINTERESTEDINCODING. Unless the things that caused it to stall were legal concerns or

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15358 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: And less "I'm the package maintainer, this is my castle, go away" and more "This is how the majority does it, you follow, the benefit of it being one way, not a dozen different, outweight some personal preferences". Let's cut to the chase of this.

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15358 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Statement: every Debian package must be maintained in Git on salsa and > every Debian Developer with upload rights to the archive should have > commit/push right to every packaging repository on salsa. Well, you took it from one of my mails, so it

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15358 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm not fundamentally against that being a "must", but we should just be aware that there might be some use cases that we'll end up sacrificing in order to make such a unification of source control hosting possible. I agree with your analysis here:

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Russ Allbery wrote: I agree with what you are saying here. However, I am concerned that the "push == automatic package upload" idea may be a step too far in some cases. I assume this would only happen if you push a signed tag. I wouldn't want every random commit I push to

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Should we try to catch up with these other systems in terms of ports? Specifically today, should we try to make Debian usable on any of the operating system kernels that I quoted above? While it is nice to have many ports, "We have the most" is not th

Re: Q to all candidates: mutual communcation and decision-making tools

2019-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Jonas Meurer wrote: Do you have concrete plans to improve the mutual/two-way communication between the DPL and the rest of the project? Monthly bits from the DPL are already helpful, but they're mostly a one-way communication so far. I don't mean private communication betwee

Re: Q: top three things you would like to change if that was easy?

2019-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: However, I wonder why you picked this ("maintained on salsa + upload rights for all DD") as the first step towards increasing uniformity (thus I assume that you see this as the most important thing to fix). In practice, we already have a version cont

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15360 March 1977, Jonas Meurer wrote: Gitlab subgroups would solve this problem: Move every Debian package into the 'debian' group, but allow subgroups in there: Not in the current way they work, no. Though there is a gitlab upstream bug about it. -- bye, Joerg

Re: Q: Do you believe in Supercow?

2019-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, David Kalnischkies wrote: Mindless sweet talk might be boring through, so let me get some (wordy) questions you can dwell on as much as you like (to improve stats[2]): You know, if thats just some 1st april joke, its a bad one. But there is some stuff in that can actually

Re: Q: Do you believe in Supercow?

2019-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15360 March 1977, David Kalnischkies wrote: Old codebases usually do not attract many new people. Well, yes, but what is that supposed to mean? Not much more than something you probably already knew. APT had at least one (serious) sort of rewrite (cupt) which isn't exactly overrun either

Re: Q to all candidates: about advancing Debian (as organisation) while not being DPL

2019-04-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15361 March 1977, Chris Lamb wrote: So, in general, I fear that the candidates may be over-estimating how much of the DPL's tasks can be delegated to teams or other individuals. [...] So, reading this back I am not entirely sure what I'm asking here but I would be interested if our candidat

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15361 March 1977, Matthew Garrett wrote: But upstream development is increasingly diverging from our approach. I think that depends a bit in which area you look. Many new software ecosystems are based on external code repositories rather than relying on the distribution, and in several la

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15361 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote: Yes. The amount of effort that we would need to expend on implementing zack's Statement seems out of proportion to the benefit, given that it mandates no particular git workflow. That's because you are all in way too deep in technical stuff. This is -v

End of campaigning

2019-04-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi three weeks of campaining, nearly over. Soon we have two weeks of voting. It was a nice time with a managable amount of mails. And one that certainly gave me new ideas and also incentive to get some of my thoughts around Debian clearer and more focused. Should I win, the extra time I gain fro

Re: Failing GPG key (was: Re: Debian Project Leader election 2019: First call for votes)

2019-04-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15367 March 1977, Mathias Behrle wrote: - originally set to 2019-04-07 - updated on 2019-04-08 to 2021-04-06 and pushed to various keyservers including keyring.debian.org. That was a bit late, but the right place to send to. Do I have to wait for a keyring sync of the DD Keyring? When wi

Re: Failing GPG key (was: Re: Debian Project Leader election 2019: First call for votes)

2019-04-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15367 March 1977, Mathias Behrle wrote: *Usually* they do not do that during running elections, just short before they start, so you may be out of luck. If so then I think there is a clear gap in the procedures. That may be, though they are like this for a long time now. - What about DDs

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15614 March 1977, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them, neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that. Maybe it would be useful to make it explicit? They

Re: Should the project hire one or two persons to help the DPL?

2021-03-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16077 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote: There are quite a few software projects that have hired staff to help smooth the internal working of organizations, I know at least of Django with its fellowship program: https://www.djangoproject.com/fundraising/#fellowship-program The current res

Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

2021-03-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16082 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote: Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements. https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md is a statement which I believe Debian as a pr

Re: Asking DPL to shorten Discussion Period for rms-open-letter

2021-03-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16082 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: I don't think we're going to get much benefit out of a prolonged discussion, and I think that there is significant benefit in acting quickly in this instance. So, I'd like to ask the DPL to consider shortening the discussion period. And for whatever it c

Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

2021-03-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16082 March 1977, Steve Langasek wrote: I accept an amendment to include the word "board" (which was missed on accident by me) and would ask the seconders to confirm their acceptance of this amendment so we can avoid any unnecessary extra variations on the GR ballot. Confirmed. -- bye,

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it > after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and > expensive modem connection. Most of the times you use pop3 then. For that there are many tools deleting spam

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Anthony Towns writes: > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines, we > reaffirm our commitment to providing the contrib and non-

Re: Proposal: Keep non-free

2004-02-21 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > == > Acknowledging that some of our users continue to require the use of > programs that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines, we > reaffirm our commitment to providing t

Re: dak and the debian infrastructure

2005-03-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10224 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: >> >or debian-cd, where only one person can usually use it with one precise >> >infrastructure in mind to build the debian isos. >> Pardon? > I know nobody excpt manty which is able to reproduce the builds of the > weekly/daily debian-cd thingies, and the de

Re: General Resolution draft against spam.

2002-10-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, manoj, the only problem is that when you filter spam, you do it > after having paid for the download of the spam over a possibly slow and > expensive modem connection. Most of the times you use pop3 then. For that there are many tools deleting spam

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16091 March 1977, Philip Hands wrote: I hope that people are not being attacked in private -- indulging in such behaviours would definitely be a Code of Conduct violation, but I think even that would fail to qualify as a witch-hunt, because the intimidation needs to be made obvious to the wid

Expectation of constructive interaction

2021-04-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
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Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-04 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16306 March 1977, Felix Lechner wrote: I would like to rename the FTP Masters team—ideally via a General Resolution. Ideally? Its the worst possible way to go about. I'm at a loss to actually find polite words to describe how off it is, to do this via a GR. Without even ever asking the tea

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16308 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote: I would like to rename the FTP Masters team—ideally via a General Resolution. Ideally? Its the worst possible way to go about. I'm at a loss to actually find polite words to describe how off it is, That might be slightly harsh, Felix only became a DD

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16314 March 1977, Thomas Goirand wrote: Wrong wrong wrong ... we're "project members" ... don't you remember? :) Just like AH is now CT. (Gosh, DMT TLA...) This shows that it will take years, if not decades, for the rename to ever be effective (if the person(s) in charge decide(s) it...).

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16454 March 1977, Julian Andres Klode wrote: The Debian project strongly condemns the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. The Debian projects affirms that Ukrain is a souvereign nation which includes the Donbas regions of Luhansk, as well as Crimea, which has already been illegaly annexed by Russi

Re: General resolution: Condemn Russian invasion of the Ukraine

2022-03-31 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16454 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote: While that war is idiotic and entirely stupid - what is the gain for Debian issuing such a statement? What is the goal here? Oh, and why now, not for all of those other wars and the misery coming out of them, all over the world, in the last years

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16594 March 1977, Steve McIntyre wrote: = We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware" section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and live images). The included firmware binaries will *normally* be enabled

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16594 March 1977, Timo Lindfors wrote: 3) Ensure that the filename of the installation media includes "non-free-firmware" or something similar so that it is clear to everyone what they are getting into. Debian has had such a long history of not including non-free bits in the insta

Re: On community and conflicts

2023-03-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16803 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Yet, would someone posting about the earth being flat, the moon landings being faked, or aliens being kept in various secret government facilities around the world have been so swiftly removed from the project? Hardly swiftly. And not to a single

Re: On community and conflicts

2023-03-16 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16804 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: And yes, if someone manages to go that way with another conspiracy theory that directly affects people like this one did, I do believe the outcome will be the same. The ones you list above are on the comedy side of things. :) You, on the other h

Re: Question to candidates: what are your quantitative diversity goals and metrics?

2024-03-30 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17183 March 1977, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: I am also the original author of packages, and since I am told that salsa is only for debian and upstream projects are not supposed to be there, for me it is easier to keep packaging and development on a single repository. Which of course can't be

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: "My security recommendation in this case is therefore to centralize the risk as much as possible, moving it off of individual uploader systems with unknown security profiles and onto a central system that can be analyzed and iteratively improved." So

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: And I think it is very much relevant, given the obvious end goal of some individuals is to kill Salsa, which this proposal - as it stands - would facilitate. Whatever end goals some individuals may have is *NOT* a good base to decide on how a technical

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: > And we also remove the Debian Maintainer role as dak would no > longer > know who uploaded the package? Debian is larger than only Debian > Developers. This is a policy aspect. When we need to revoke a key used for uploading this happens via keyring m

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: Whatever end goals some individuals may have is *NOT* a good base to decide on how a technical implementation for Debian should be. If it turns out that this new thingie makes Salsa entirely unneccessary, then so be it. Good for us. I highly doubt

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: The gitlab for salsa is a.) forcing us to follow a way that does *not* fit how Debian works for uploads I have no idea what this means, sorry. The way salsa (gitlab, git) works, does not fit how uploads in Debian work. One of the reasons people b

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Luca Boccassi wrote: WTF is up with you? Honest question. I just explained, in a load of words, that this thing is *really* unlikely to provide whatever it needs to replace Salsa, as there is basically nothing actually providing the features Salsa provides. And your concl

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-12 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17258 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote: So there is no change here. Actually, we can set acls on fingerprints and then that key wont be able to upload anymore. That is not something recorded in the keyrings or the DM list. Obviously that is not something used often (really really seldom), it

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-13 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17259 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: Thanks. Then possibly it is sufficient for ftpmaster just to disable tag2upload's whole key until the keyring update is pushed. I'm not sure this is a sufficient answer. We don't want uploads by revoked keys to appear on *.dgit.d.o either. Joerg, is

Re: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload

2024-06-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 17260 March 1977, Russ Allbery wrote: My understanding is that there is no separate upstream Git repository. I believe that's what Ian means by "the upstream Git branch has to be in your Git repo somewhere." In other words, you have to push upstream to your Salsa packaging repository to us

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