Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

who seconded the original version, but just in case: Seconded. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack _. ^ ._ Full professor of Computer Science o o o \/|V|\/ Télécom Paris, Polytechnic Institute of Paris o o o <\> Co-founder &

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

asons, this choice might carry some real educational value (on how bad the consumer hardware market is these days, mostly). Thanks Bart! Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack _. ^ ._ Full professor of Computer Science o o o \/|V|\/ Téléco

Re: Informal Discussion: Identities of Voters Casting a Particular Ballot are No Longer Public

secret---but that's just an implementation detail. (I haven't yet read the details of what has been proposed though, I'm just commenting on my stance on the general idea, as requested.) -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack _. ^ ._ Full professor of Computer Science

Re: GR: Change the resolution process (corrected)

ice to have, but IMHO it is not a requirement to address the immediate need pointed out by Don, of easing understandability of this GR.) Thanks a lot for your work on this! Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack _. ^ ._ Full professor of Computer Science

Re: Secret ballot and RMS Resolution

eople who will not verify, etc.) Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader & OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club

Re: Secret ballot and RMS Resolution

bably something that should be fixed in the Constitution, by mandating secret voting for elections whereas living to the judgment of the secretary whether other GR votes should be secret or not. But that cannot be fixed in a timely manner. I'm not sure what other options we have here. Cheers -- Stefano

Re: Amendment to rms-open-letter GR

r entails that the entire leadership at FSF (board + voting members) resign, as a precondition to start rebuilding trust in the organization. Hope this explains, Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o

Re: Amendment to rms-open-letter GR

new board. The case of the Tor project [1] is probably one that would be familiar with many of us. [1]: https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-elects-new-board-directors Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software

Re: Q: top three things you would like to change if that was easy?

enge you to find a J. Random Developer that will prefer to develop day-by-day using Debian-archive-style workflows over Git-style workflows.) Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o

Re: Bikeshedding

vision for Debian of each candidate. Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader & OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of taut

Re: Bikeshedding

steps* you will take to increase uniformity throughout the archive. Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader & OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « th

Re: Bikeshedding

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:23:29AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 15358 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Statement: every Debian package must be maintained in Git on salsa and > > every Debian Developer with upload rights to the archive should have > > commi

Re: Bikeshedding

ess rights and package ownership.) Cheers -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader & OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club

Re: Q to all candidates: about advancing Debian (as organisation) while not being DPL

(non elected). Rather than referring to DPL candidates who didn't get elected (who, at least in general, are not part of the teams we are discussing). Am I reading it right, Laura? -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software H

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 08:25:14AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 15347 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > As a random factoid related to this: in the Debian contributors survey > > that we ran a while ago, ~18% of the respondents who declared to be > >

Re: Question to Martin: How are your Grants and Paid DPL Proposals Differnt than Dunc-Tanc

on the project.) Cheers [1]: raw / preliminary results are at https://upsilon.cc/debian-survey-2016/preliminary-analysis.html ; a more detailed paper is currently under review. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO So

Re: DPL Voting period

ince when it is _forbidden_ to discuss outside the campaign period? -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « the f

Re: Q to both: facilitating meetups

s to both you and Chris for the time you're putting in keeping up with the election debate. It's really appreciated! Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leade

Q to candidates: reporting frequency

up giving the impression that the DPL isn't doing much except to those that, for whatever reason, end up interacting (privately) with him/her. Where do you think is the sweet spot in this spectrum? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . z...@upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science

Re: Amendment to Proposed GR: Declassifying parts of -private of historical interest

y GR prior to >declassification. > > 3. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the Debian Social Contract, Debian >Developers are strongly encouraged to use the debian-private mailing >list only for discussions that should not be disclosed. > > === END GR TEXT === -- Stef

Re: Amendment to Proposed GR: Declassifying parts of -private of historical interest

g "by GR" here is just ruling out processes that do not give enough time to object, and that's a good thing. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader

Re: Amendment to Proposed GR: Declassifying parts of -private of historical interest

tially result in public votes about private messages that are not disclosed in the call for votes and the like. Can you clarify which is which Don? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o .

Re: Amendment to Proposed GR: Declassifying parts of -private of historical interest

ity". So can you maybe clarify your worry here? (I'm asking because I'm potentially interested in sponsoring Don's amendment.) Many thanks in advance, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On July 7, 2016 4:48:19 PM GMT+02:00, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >Point is; only "Developers" (the term our constitution uses) are >supposed to ever have been subscribed to d-private. JFTR: the Constitution uses both "developers" and "members", interchangeably. -- Sent

Re: GR: Constitutional Amendment to fix an off-by-one error and duplicate section numbering

? That would help a lot in better reviewing the proposal. Thanks, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . . . . @zacchiro . . . . o o o . . . o

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

-multimedia case? -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

and debian. There might be correlation there, but I so no evidence that there is causation. Again, no comment intended on your general stance on this matter. Just minor nitpicking :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

[ing] our hands in innocence? So I'd fail to see any regression from that point of view. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

) speak volumes about candidates' views on broad Free Software philosophy/politics, and where in their opinion Debian should stand within those spectrum. I do realize that those topics are not equally interesting for all voters though. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:28:17PM +, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: Can you elaborate on why dropping §5 is desirable for us? I take you don't see it as desirable then :) -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc

Re: Q to all candidates: SWOT analysis

DPL candidates; just my vivid characterization of the atmosphere that I usually perceive in this kind of threads.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

Forgot to mention: I'd like to know the answers to the questions quoted below also from other candidates. TIA, Cheers. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 08:06:26PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: So, to be clear: would you authorize to use regular Debian funds to sponsor Debian participation

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2015: Call for nominations

, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology

Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte

to me on IRC.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule

Re: call for vote - term limit for the tech-ctte

. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o

Re: draft alternative proposal: fix problem at the root

sense of turning technical disputes into popularity contests. I'll choose a working CTTE over the latter scenario any day. If there are other options, we definitely need to hear about them before deciding to dismantle the CTTE. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

Debian reinforces those arguments. More importantly, it doesn't seem to me we're near having a concrete GR proposal for electing ctte members. So IMO it would be best to disentangle this discussion from the term limit GR proposal. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

sound), I'll be happy to formally accept an amendment to that end. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o

Re: Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

counting on it, though. If you make it explicit, it would be better to clarify if the DPL who makes the decision is the DPL on January 1st, or on the following December 31st. Which might result on more verbosity that the current version, heh :-) Good point. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli

GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

#00054 Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

. That's 2 years before seeing any effect whatsoever for the GR. Yes, we've had some churn in the tech-ctte as of lately, but IMHO not that much to justify such a delay. Is that the goal you actually want to achieve? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 09:12:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: But right now, I'm not sure to understand what your main concern is, and I'd appreciate if you could elaborate a bit more. With the current transitional measure, the proposal 2-S will de facto do nothing for a full year

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

the above as an amendment. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club

Re: [DRAFT #3] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 09:36:57AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 04:53:10PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: An exception to the uniformity of the effects of transitional measures is max. I haven't touched it partly because it doesn't seem to have received much

[DRAFT #3] Maximum term for tech ctte members

than welcome. For reference, the latest version of each proposal should always be available at: https://people.debian.org/~zack/gr-ctte-term-limit/ with sources at: http://git.upsilon.cc/?p=text/gr-ctte-term-limit.git;a=tree Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

that interpretation, but reading of §4.2.1 doesn't seem to leave much room for interpretation. So you could either ask someone else to propose the amendment, or gather seconds informally yourself and only propose the amendment when you've received K of them. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

who did the appointments. But the Constitution should treat the DPL as an institution, not as a specific person, so I don't really see a problem with this difference.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

from the Secretary. [4]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00172.html [5]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00194.html Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:00:11PM +, Philip Hands wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: If people really want to add a tie breaking rule, I was mostly trying to get rid of the need for one. How about just saying that appointments must be done one at a time? You mean

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 09:51:44AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:33:10AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: 2. A member of the Technical Committee is said to be more senior than another if they were appointed earlier, or were appointed

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

waiting to see if people object to that idea, but the only remaining change I'd like to apply to that proposal is to remove the transitional measure, on the basis of the fact that we've already had quite a bit of churn in the CTTE due to recent events. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

on their share of responsibility for having a larger ballot. Lucas: can I conclude from your summary that you do *not* have a 7th alternative proposal in the working (which is what I was assuming thus far)? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

for us to encourage people to find something that makes them happy when the TC no longer does. So, I recommend evaluating these mechanisms against future similar situations as an important evaluation criteria. Agreed. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

, nothing less :) -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

bumping the transitional measure from 1 months to 6.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

that both the 2 and 2-R model has significant support, I'm working on integrating 2-R in my Git repo as a separate proposal, so that we can easily vote on both if they both receive enough seconds (or are proposed by the DPL. More on this in a separate mail. ] -- Stefano Zacchiroli

Re: Alternative proposal: focus on term limits rather than turnover

application gradual. So, the complete diffstat of this proposal is +3-0, rather than +15-1. :) Yes, but to achieve a similar effect you'll have a much larger diff to apply to the transitional measure, that you're trying to sweep under the carpet :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members - 2-R model

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [ As a more general status update: as it seems that both the 2 and 2-R model has significant support, I'm working on integrating 2-R in my Git repo as a separate proposal, so that we can easily vote on both if they both

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

that as a tactical behavior on the part of the CTTE to work around an agreed upon judgement on the fact that turn-over is good, and that remaining in charge too long is bad. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37:25AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 18/11/14 at 21:49 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical + Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months. Even if the possibility

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

to case-by-case decisions what to do, which is by definition not something you can obtain with a strict rule. I.e., it seems to me that your first point calls in to question whether we should have a strict rule in the first place. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o

Re: [DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 06:31:31PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org, 2014-11-18, 21:49: -5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may +5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical + Committee if they have

[DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

simplifications and fixes for my en_IT idiosyncrasies are particularly welcome. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

? This has become moot, as the underlying text is gone. I wonder if four and a half years (54 months) would be better. Fixed. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former

[DRAFT #2] Maximum term for tech ctte members

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:33:10AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Here is a draft GR text which builds on Anthony's work and implements some of the aspects discussed in this thread. See below for comments/rationales and the attachment for a wdiff. Updated draft below. Changelog is: - fixed

increasing maximum ctte size

decisions in a single GR has been proven to be unwise in the past. And I'm especially wary of doing so with a constitutional change. Secretary: can you share your thoughts on this last point with us, what would be best from the ballot preparation POV? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z

Re: [DRAFT] Maximum term for tech ctte members

). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

it yet (so I might have overlooked nasty corner cases). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

making this yet another unneccesary long discussion we should probably just agree to disagree here. Indeed, let's do that :) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

put any motivation in their mouths without asking first. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

is a much more effective way of ensuring progress in Debian than ultimatums. With many thanks for reviving this thread, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

'', it would be worth it :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

text. Thanks again, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

be by design.) And yes, this might be seen as procedural paranoia, but the Constitution is precisely the place where one wants to be paranoid. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:14:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: So let's just assume for now that I would come to the same conclusion. When do you think you'll do an authoritative assessment of this matter? Thanks, -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

of its potential benefits. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

(back) the default init system. This GR is not about that; please don't make yet another _thread_ about that either :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

, by the outcome of this GR. ] I've sympathy for the motives behind this GR, but discovering that those teams might have their Jessie plans disrupted---on a very short notice---by this GR will make me think twice or thrice before helping in making it happen. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z

Re: ``Disclaimer'' field to document non-free-ness reasons [ Was: non-free? ]

, to increase awareness of this field, I've now reported #742787 against lintian, patches welcome! Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca

time-limited, auto-reinstated delegations (and reports)

report about $event *before* asking for reimbursement on project money. Thoughts? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o

Re: All DPL candidates: DPL Term lengths and limits?

with Lucas' calendar). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first

``Disclaimer'' field to document non-free-ness reasons [ Was: non-free? ]

-ness, which as discussed elsewhere in this thread would be rather cool. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o

Re: non-free?

probably be in that set myself. But a) it will be their choice, and b) I personally think it would be an acceptable trade-off if in exchange we start putting some distance between ourselves and the current non-free is not part of Debian hypocrisy. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z

Re: non-free?

of non-free components, or making our APT frontend be more clear about the fact that the user is about to install non Debian software. (This time it sounds more scary, right?) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http

Re: non-free?

in such an exercise, which is merely at the communication level, and which had never even been really promoted (yet). But this second criticism is definitely not in the realm of inflicting pain to existing users. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de

Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict

using non-free software publicly, at the very least as long as suitable Free alternatives exist. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

grown over time somewhat non organically, due to the different availability of the involved people and their (lack of) interest in working on specific media. This is now striking back. A more central(ized) coordination role seems to be needed now. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

no particular opinion on the first one.) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club

Re: Next DPL election

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 05:48:09PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: I wonder, could you share a 'day-in-the-life' of the DPL so prospective candidates can have more of an idea what to expect? master.debian.org:/srv/leader/news/*.txt is your friend :) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli

Re: leader2013

on project member (e.g. the New [project] Member process), but unfortunately the term non-uploading DD---which I agree with you is not nice due to a pejorative connotation---is struggling to survive. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

with, the misbehavior was in public bug reports, so the discussion of the misbehavior should likewise be public. On the other hand, the above are indeed reasonable community expectations. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

to reconsider that and I'm generally very open to reconsider my positions. But I do think that we need some concrete, scientific evidence, to prove causation in this case, and I've yet to see some of it. As always, I thank you for your comments. :) Ditto :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli

Re: [all candidates] Removing or limiting DD rights?

is now sidestepping the more important parts of this conversation, it was not my intention to do so. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

, the Debian Constitution treats members of the project and Debian Developers as synonyms. So, no matter DAM/FD opinion, the claims on those wiki are not correct and should be amended. Thanks for pointing this out. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de

[all candidates] how to choose Jessie init system

process. Still, I picked a concrete example as it might help focusing our thoughts on how we would like similar important technical decisions to work in the future. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http

Re: Your opinion on Debian Maintainer status

another, IMHO more relevant, data point.) Cheers. [1]: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=746 -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack

Re: [all candidates] DPL salary

from the abilities that we do have in our community? Maybe the answer is nothing; it's just the way it is, and we should accept a deficit on that front wrt other communities. But maybe there is something else we could do... what? Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc

[all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

, again, -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

as you please! -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule

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