On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 06:35:14PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> >
> > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=
> >
> > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008
> >
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=
>
> Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008
> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008
So wh
* Peter Palfrader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081101 09:26]:
> Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold.
I'm sorry to say but that happens only if the resolution says so ("If
such a resolution is sponsored by at least 2K Developers, or if it is
proposed by the Technical Committe
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote:
>
> > > For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been
> > > amended to not include the decision reversal text.
> >
> > I find it mildly entertaining that this vot
Le Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit :
>
> Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. The
> immediate vote then is held to see if it stays on hold until the real GR
> is done. So the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is
> Joerg an
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote:
> > For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been
> > amended to not include the decision reversal text.
>
> I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place
> because apparently it takes "a couple of days, [...]
On Fri, Oct 31 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote:
> I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place
> because apparently it takes "a couple of days, [...] and sometimes
> longer" [0] to set up an "immediate" vote. I'm sure there were
> very good reasons [1] to not rush things in this pa
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:42:30AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for
> > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is
> > called for if th
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for
> a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is
> called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed,
> as per 4.2.2
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 12:14, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > You could give them an incentive to do so...
> WTF do you think did I do with my mail? Would you please start to *read*
> before you reply?
Oh, thanks, I read before I replied... maybe you can make yourself understood
better and *write* p
> On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its
>> sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it
>> *WONT* do anything except creating needless work?
> You could give them an incentive to do so...
WTF
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> > Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we
> > > can later overrule it by a full GR if we wan
Hi Jörg,
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its
> sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it
> *WONT* do anything except creating needless work?
You could give them an incentive to do so...
Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg4.html
I've added Neil McGovern under Secretary to
webwml/english/intro/organization.data
Hope that's OK,
--
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Le Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
>
> As I already explained none of this is implemented yet. None of this
> will be implemented within the next few weeks.
Joerg,
in your answer to Aurélien, you wrote that your announcment was "a new policy
to get implemented". Bu
>> > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
>> > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
>> > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided
>> > [ ] Choice 3: Furt
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we
> > can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that
> > we'll also have this 2 week discus
Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we
> can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that
> we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR?
It's the reverse. The sponsorship o
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:20:30PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> Thanks for the prompt clarification.
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >
> > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
> > > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands unt
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:56:48PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]:
> > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
> > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided
>
> I don't
Hi Neil
Thanks for the prompt clarification.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> >
> > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Be
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> >
> > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > a1ea0fab
also sprach Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]:
> [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
> [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided
I don't understand the difference between those two.
--
.''`. martin f. kraff
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:38:55PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please
> > send comments to myself 24h before voting opens.
>
> You have a total of 3 times "proceedural"
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
> > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership r
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:11:57PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=
> >
> > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008
> > Votes must be re
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:16:53PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for
> > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is
> > c
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> (...)
> (one of the people who could ruin this vote is going away for a busness
---><
> trip this week, and the other one is new at this task).
> (...)
> manoj
You meant "run", huh ?
--
Swis
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>
> > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
> > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
> > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on members
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please
> send comments to myself 24h before voting opens.
You have a total of 3 times "proceedural" instead of "procedural" in this
mail.
Kurt
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> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
> [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
> [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided
> [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Why should we wait until next sunday? The constitution says:
Because it takes time to set up a vote, and it requires
attention from the vote taker at the beginning and end of the vote, and
the times reflect the prep time required (one of the
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192
> [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided
> [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership refor
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for
> a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is
> called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed,
>
On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=
>
> Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008
> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008
Why should we wait unt
Hi all,
As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for
a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is
called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed,
as per 4.2.2 of the constitution.
Attached below is the draft ballot for
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