Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 10:09:37PM +0200]: > Can I say that this is rather annoying from a procedural stand > point? You already called for a vote. I'm sorry, I did this precisely to avoid an annoying procedural standstill. And (as I told you privately) later found out the

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 10:09:37PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 02:08:34PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > While checking all requisites are met, I found I mis-counted for my > > CfV, mixing together Iain's original and reformed proposal. It > > currently has four seconders

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 02:08:34PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > While checking all requisites are met, I found I mis-counted for my > CfV, mixing together Iain's original and reformed proposal. It > currently has four seconders only, so in order to have the three > presented options in the ballot:

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

While checking all requisites are met, I found I mis-counted for my CfV, mixing together Iain's original and reformed proposal. It currently has four seconders only, so in order to have the three presented options in the ballot: >

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On 2016-09-21 11:01:50, Iain Lane wrote: > This is a new proposal which supersedes my previous one > <20160920165427.oeiaxkms7e63bao4@nightingale> (that proposal is > withdrawn). > > > > Title: debian-private shall remain

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

Iain Lane writes ("Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)"): > I'm not quite sure of the terminology - I think it should be a separate > option to be voted on on the same ballot as Gunnar's proposal. I think you have

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Gunnar Wolf writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private"): > I am replying to this particular one because, although I found your > previous mail a great summary, I tried to illustrate current > practice. I made the mistake of addressing on

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:24:03PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:47:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Iain Lane writes ("New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge > > difficulty of declassifying debian-private)"): > > > This

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 04:45:40PM +0100]: > > > > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules > > > > old posts permissible, for -private be changed > > > > and if so how ? in the future ? > > > > > > > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Gunnar Wolf writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private"): > Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:25:49PM +0100]: > > Oh, I forgot one: > > > > > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:25:49PM +0100]: > Oh, I forgot one: > > > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules > > old posts permissible, for -private be changed > > and if so how ? in the future ? > > > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Bas Wijnen writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private"): > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:19:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Iain Forbidden. Difficult/unclear.[2] > > New GR would be needed

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 03:19:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Iain Forbidden. Difficult/unclear.[2] > New GR would be needed New GR probably needed. > (or active consent > from

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

I thought I would write a systematic summary of the effect of the proposals: ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules old posts permissible, for -private be changed and if so how ? in the future ?

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Oh, I forgot one: > ProponentIs declassification of How might the rules > old posts permissible, for -private be changed > and if so how ? in the future ? > > --

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)"): > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:01:50AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > 2b. Participants may declassify the material of others where > >

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:01:50AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > 2b. Participants may declassify the material of others where > consent has explicitly been given by the authors of all of the > material being declassified. What about discussions where some of the participants

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 01:47:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > FAOD I assume that this is to be taken as an amendment to Gunnar's, > which replaces the whole text with your text. (Otherwise it would end > up in a separate vote.) On that basis, > >

New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Iain Lane writes ("New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)"): > This is a new proposal which supersedes my previous one > <20160920165427.oeiaxkms7e63bao4@nighting

Re: New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:01:50AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > > Title: debian-private shall remain private > > The text of the GR is replaced with the following. > > 1. The

New amdendment proposal (Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:07:45AM +, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:55:52AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > > This message fits your description ("the author is quoting only his or > > > her own > > > text"), and so it would be allowed *for anyone* to declassify it, without > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:55:52AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > This message fits your description ("the author is quoting only his or her > > own > > text"), and so it would be allowed *for anyone* to declassify it, without my > > permission. > > Are you saying it should be

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:45:05AM +, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:14:00AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:14:39PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > > * Iain Lane , 2016-09-20, 17:54: > > > > There shall be no declassification of any

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:14:00AM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 07:14:39PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > * Iain Lane , 2016-09-20, 17:54: > > > There shall be no declassification of any portion of the

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Le 20/09/2016 à 18:54, Iain Lane a écrit : > On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 06:24:38PM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: >> […] > > OK then, thanks for the discussion up-(the other)thread and on IRC. I > propose this as an amendment. AIUI it either needs to be seconded by K > developers or accepted as an

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Iain Lane writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private"): > 2. There shall be no declassification of any portion of the > debian-private archives, except when the authors of all material > being declassified have explicitly conse

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

* Iain Lane , 2016-09-20, 17:54: There shall be no declassification of any portion of the debian-private archives, except when the authors of all material being declassified have explicitly consented, So far so good... or the author is quoting only his or her own text.

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 06:24:38PM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > […] OK then, thanks for the discussion up-(the other)thread and on IRC. I propose this as an amendment. AIUI it either needs to be seconded by K developers or accepted as an amendment by Holger, Gunnar or whoever the original proposer

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

Iain Lane writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private"): > I wonder if something like this would find favour too, at least as an > option on the ballot. I'm not convinced about it, but I want to float it > for the consideration of others.

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

I second Ian's proposal, *without* withdrawing my own. Ian Jackson dijo [Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 05:27:42PM +0100]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I have changed my about waiting before making a formal proposal. > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution. > >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 05:27:42PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I have changed my about waiting before making a formal proposal. > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution. > > Title: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private [ … ] Thanks Ian. I wonder if something

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I second the following proposed GR: Am 09.09.2016 um 18:27 schrieb Ian Jackson: > I have changed my about waiting before making a formal proposal. > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution. > > Title: Acknowledge difficulty of

Proposed GR: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I have changed my about waiting before making a formal proposal. I hereby propose the following General Resolution. Title: Acknowledge difficulty of declassifying debian-private 1. The Debian Project regrets the non-implementation of the 2005