Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
- 0,5 on supporting Java5 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Since we have quite a few vetos against Java5 usage for this new project, I'd say we go with Java6. Java7 is right around the corner, and Java5 is really only legacy now. If projects still need to use java5, they can of course also use Seam3 and CODI until they hava moved their servers. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider If we wanted to try it later that's fine. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:41, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: We could try to use retro-translate to produce java5 compatible artifacts later? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
-1 for supporting Java5 Let Microsoft deal with the legacy stuff ^^ Regards, Jakob 2011/12/28 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: - 0,5 on supporting Java5 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Since we have quite a few vetos against Java5 usage for this new project, I'd say we go with Java6. Java7 is right around the corner, and Java5 is really only legacy now. If projects still need to use java5, they can of course also use Seam3 and CODI until they hava moved their servers. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider If we wanted to try it later that's fine. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:41, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: We could try to use retro-translate to produce java5 compatible artifacts later? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
oki, seems the majority is for dropping Java5 support. I've upgraded the parent pom to language target level 1.6 already. Please note that this doesn't mean that we drop JavaEE-5 support! I still like to support CDI containers running on EE-5 if possible. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jakob Korherr jakob.korh...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider -1 for supporting Java5 Let Microsoft deal with the legacy stuff ^^ Regards, Jakob 2011/12/28 Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org: - 0,5 on supporting Java5 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: Since we have quite a few vetos against Java5 usage for this new project, I'd say we go with Java6. Java7 is right around the corner, and Java5 is really only legacy now. If projects still need to use java5, they can of course also use Seam3 and CODI until they hava moved their servers. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider If we wanted to try it later that's fine. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:41, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: We could try to use retro-translate to produce java5 compatible artifacts later? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
We could try to use retro-translate to produce java5 compatible artifacts later? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
If we wanted to try it later that's fine. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 02:41, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: We could try to use retro-translate to produce java5 compatible artifacts later? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jason Porter lightguard...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
+1 This is nice for Java5 servers (which there are still a few out there). Of course this means that we should also not use other Java6 features like String.isEmpty() and stuff. Basically this VOTE is about should we support Java5 ? LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:41 PM Subject: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
We have it in Seam, and Weld for that Java 5 support, but I'd prefer to stay on 6+. We *could* do a version compiled for jdk5. But then we get into issues of which branch, making sure it's all Java 5 features, etc. -0.5 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:45, José Rodolfo Freitas joserodolfo.frei...@gmail.com wrote: +0 On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, this feature won't prevent users from using deltaspike with candi (even if candi only supports java6+). regards, gerhard 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com Hi Gerhard, How about resin (CanDI)? John On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi john, the impl. would not be bound to a cdi impl. owb as well as weld (see [1]) support java5. regards, gerhard [1] https://github.com/weld/core/blob/master/impl/src/main/java/org/jboss/weld/util/ServiceLoader.java 2011/12/22 John D. Ament john.d.am...@gmail.com -1 Java5 is past EOL at this point. Not suitable for production deployments from my perspective. Java EE 6 (since any code we write for delta spike is against EE6) is for Java SE 6. Even if the implementation is using Java 5 at compilation time, the runtime is 6; and I would hope we would code against spec rather than specific impls. John On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking -- Jason Porter http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/lightguardjp Software Engineer Open Source Advocate Author of Seam Catch - Next Generation Java Exception Handling PGP key id: 926CCFF5 PGP key available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu
Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-28] ServiceProvider
+1 regards, gerhard 2011/12/21 Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com hi @ all, fyi: please check [1] before you answer. [2] is the implementation used in owb. i suggest to start with it (instead of the version of codi), because the version of codi provides additional mechanisms we might need later on (if we include the corresponding features). the basic concept: ServiceProvider (btw. DefaultLoaderService) is a custom implementation of the ServiceLoader mechanism which allows to use codi with java 1.5 (if the cdi container allows it as well). in case of java6+ the std. ServiceLoader gets used. please send +1, +0 or -1 because... for the basic idea as well as the basic concept. if there are basic objections, please also add them to [3] regards, gerhard [1] http://markmail.org/message/7yefspfuvtz4jvmp [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openwebbeans/tags/openwebbeans-1.1.3/webbeans-impl/src/main/java/org/apache/webbeans/service/DefaultLoaderService.java [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/SE+Feature+Ranking
