Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-20 Thread Brian Cameron
Willie: I'm not sure this is a really important regression. You can configure the new GDM to always launch various AT programs as needed. The main lost feature is that users cannot launch AT programs on demand. I'm curious who the "you" is "you can configure." The important thing here is i

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-20 Thread Willie Walker
Brian Cameron wrote: I'm not sure this is a really important regression. You can configure the new GDM to always launch various AT programs as needed. The main lost feature is that users cannot launch AT programs on demand. I'm curious who the "you" is "you can configure." The important thin

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-19 Thread Brian Cameron
Kjartan/Willie: fr., 19.09.2008 kl. 00.34 +0200, skrev Vincent Untz: Le mercredi 17 septembre 2008, à 17:23 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit : Well...hmm...if I read the answers correctly, I think what I'm hearing is that there are a lot of great ideas, but they aren't done yet. If this is the

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-19 Thread Willie Walker
So...I think it boils down to whether people with disabilities can log into the desktop or not. I'm not sure I've really seen a good answer on this. Will On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:21 AM, Kjartan Maraas wrote: fr., 19.09.2008 kl. 00.34 +0200, skrev Vincent Untz: Le mercredi 17 septembre 2008, à

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-19 Thread Kjartan Maraas
fr., 19.09.2008 kl. 00.34 +0200, skrev Vincent Untz: > Le mercredi 17 septembre 2008, à 17:23 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit : > > Well...hmm...if I read the answers correctly, I think what I'm hearing > > is that there are a lot of great ideas, but they aren't done yet. If > > this is the case,

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-18 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 17 septembre 2008, à 17:23 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit : > Well...hmm...if I read the answers correctly, I think what I'm hearing > is that there are a lot of great ideas, but they aren't done yet. If > this is the case, then I think this sounds like a regression. I see nobody ju

Re: [gdm-list] GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-18 Thread Janina Sajka
Having now lived with a partially audible GDM process, I thought I should provide some small suggestions. I guess this seems the right time. By "partial," I mean that I have the default sound playing following my successful login. This is good, as it provides confirmation that login was successful

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-17 Thread Willie Walker
Well...hmm...if I read the answers correctly, I think what I'm hearing is that there are a lot of great ideas, but they aren't done yet. If this is the case, then I think this sounds like a regression. Please note that I think the ideas are really good and I respect the work being done. I'm

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-17 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 10 septembre 2008, à 09:39 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit : > Hi: > > I asked this earlier, but I might have missed the response. Have the > accessibility issues been resolved with the new GDM? In particular, > does accessible login still work and do the keyboard/mouse/dwell > ges

Re: [gdm-list] GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-16 Thread Brian Cameron
Ray: I think Jon is in Portland right now for the Plumbers conference, so I'll try to answer for him. I believe Brian wrote some code to port the dwell listeners over to the new GDM some time ago. It's not completely finished, but it's most of the way there. Note there are two "gesture list

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-16 Thread Ray Strode
Hi, On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le mercredi 10 septembre 2008, à 09:39 -0400, Willie Walker a écrit : >> Hi: >> >> I asked this earlier, but I might have missed the response. Have the >> accessibility issues been resolved with the new GDM? In partic

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-10 Thread Brian Cameron
Vincent: I don't see us ignoring a good bunch of the comments (there are good points on each side), so there are two ways to go forward: + use GDM 2.24, and mention that it is not ready for all uses (listing the use cases where it needs work would help), and that GDM 2.20 is still avail

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-10 Thread Kjartan Maraas
on., 10.09.2008 kl. 14.49 +0200, skrev Vincent Untz: > Le mercredi 03 septembre 2008, à 22:27 +0200, Andre Klapper a écrit : > > We'd like to have a decision made by this weekend so there's two weeks > > left for translators. Comments highly welcome, so you can't blame > > release-team only in the

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-05 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
2008/9/5 Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Le jeudi 04 septembre 2008 à 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : >> * The new gdm uses gnome-session to launch necessary stuff so we get >> all kind a11y tools support, power management (which is *very* >> important to mobile users) and all the st

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 04 septembre 2008 à 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit : > * The new gdm uses gnome-session to launch necessary stuff so we get > all kind a11y tools support, power management (which is *very* > important to mobile users) and all the stuff you can think of and > write a .desktop file for

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 04.09.2008, 20:29 +0200 schrieb Patryk Zawadzki: > Slightly off topic: would it be possible to explicitly ship both 2.20 > (marked as deprecated or heading for deprecation) and 2.24 to send a > strong signal that distributions might want to pick one or the other? > This might all

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Brian Cameron
Andre: This question seems to have created a lot of FUD, and I wanted to try and give a more clear perspective on the situation. As the maintainer of GDM for the past several years, I feel I have a good understanding of the needs of GDM users, and what will cause issues. First of all, I don't

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, > > the release-team normally asks on d-d-l for comments on new modules and > dependencies. > In this case I'd like to ask for valuable feedback on gdm trunk. Slightly off topic: would it be possible to explicitly ship

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 04-09-2008 a las 19:55 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki escribió: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 04.09.2008 19:35, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > >> > >> I've posted earlier about adding autologin to gnome-system-tools, any > >> comments on that? It would

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04.09.2008 19:35, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> >> I've posted earlier about adding autologin to gnome-system-tools, any >> comments on that? It would be easy to hide the option if the DBus >> interface is unavailable so it

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Jens Granseuer
On 04.09.2008 19:35, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: I've posted earlier about adding autologin to gnome-system-tools, any comments on that? It would be easy to hide the option if the DBus interface is unavailable so it won't add any new dependencies. Personally, I don't think scattering the login manag

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Martin Meyer
Would it be possible to make the theme selectable from within the greeter itself? Maybe have a theme menu near the shutdown menu and let you select from a list/menu? Martin On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Jens Granseuer

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04.09.2008 18:40, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Configuration dialogs for applications belong to the respective >> > applications, not in the

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Jens Granseuer
On 04.09.2008 18:40, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Configuration dialogs for applications belong to the respective > applications, not in the control center. > > Even if that wasn't so, saying "it should live somewhere else" is

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Jens Granseuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 04.09.2008 16:11, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> >> The settings are >> >> there in gconf so everyone is free to come up with a configuration >> >> tool if you

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Jens Granseuer
On 04.09.2008 16:11, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> The settings are >> there in gconf so everyone is free to come up with a configuration >> tool if you find anything worth configuring there It wasn't meant as a "provide patch" kind of stat

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Peteris Krisjanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Don't understimate this kind of stuff. >> >> I do understand that people like theming but I also believe theming a >> login screen leads to bad results. We should permit people to do so >> but it's not a stopper for me

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
>> Don't understimate this kind of stuff. > > I do understand that people like theming but I also believe theming a > login screen leads to bad results. We should permit people to do so > but it's not a stopper for me. And it is not a stopper for me, either. _However_, it is essential for someone

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #1 reason why my friends drool for GNOME: you can switch themes (that > includes gdm and desktop for them). > > I confirm that there's a mass of people that actually change GDM > themes just because they want to, f

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 9/4/08, Peteris Krisjanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/4 Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Alberto Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> In terminal server deployments, the gdm configuration is not trivial > >> to setup, it usually requires t

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 16:11 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Top Ten Reasons People Complain About Gnome: > > > > * Number 1: This statement: > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > >> The settin

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2008/9/4 Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Alberto Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> In terminal server deployments, the gdm configuration is not trivial >> to setup, it usually requires tweaking the text file directly to get >> where you want. I consider hav

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Top Ten Reasons People Complain About Gnome: >> >> * Number 1: This statement: >> >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >>>

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> >>> As long as the people who scream 'regression' are not jumping to help >>> fix those regressions they care about, its not going to look muc

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Alberto Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In terminal server deployments, the gdm configuration is not trivial > to setup, it usually requires tweaking the text file directly to get > where you want. I consider having no migration path and no UI tool a > huge reg

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Alberto Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/4 Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:>> * There is no GUI > configuration but I personally don't know a person >> who would miss the old gdmsetup binary. It was ugly and half of the >> distros required you to run it

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Top Ten Reasons People Complain About Gnome: > > * Number 1: This statement: > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> The settings are >> there in gconf so everyone is free to come up with a configura

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Shaun McCance
Top Ten Reasons People Complain About Gnome: * Number 1: This statement: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:50 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > The settings are > there in gconf so everyone is free to come up with a configuration > tool if you find anything worth configuring there ... -- Shaun _

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2008/9/4 Patryk Zawadzki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 22:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: >>> So, >>> >>> the release-team normally asks on d-d-l for comments on new modules and >>> dependencies. >>> In this c

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> As long as the people who scream 'regression' are not jumping to help >> fix those regressions they care about, its not going to look much >> different in 6 months... > > Sorry, I was under the impression that the maint

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 09:45 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > According to what I'm reading in those links, I'd say > > it's not ready yet. No configuration migration plus > > no graphical configuration? I mean, con

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > * There is no GUI configuration but I personally don't know a person > who would miss the old gdmsetup binary. It was ugly and half of the > distros required you to run it manually with sudo. The settings are > there in gconf so everyone is free to come up with a configurat

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 22:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: >> So, >> >> the release-team normally asks on d-d-l for comments on new modules and >> dependencies. >> In this case I'd like to ask for valuable feedback on gdm trunk

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Shaun McCance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > According to what I'm reading in those links, I'd say > it's not ready yet. No configuration migration plus > no graphical configuration? I mean, configuration > migration is *most* important on the first release. > > W

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 22:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: > So, > > the release-team normally asks on d-d-l for comments on new modules and > dependencies. > In this case I'd like to ask for valuable feedback on gdm trunk. > > Among the release-team there are different opinions whether to use trunk

Re: GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-03 Thread Willie Walker
Hi: I know Jon McCann and company did some proactive work to include accessibility in the redesign (thanks Jon!), but I'm not sure what the status of that is. If they can show that accessible login works, along with the keyboard/mouse/dwell gesturing mechanisms to launch assistive technologi

GDM version used for GNOME 2.24?

2008-09-03 Thread Andre Klapper
So, the release-team normally asks on d-d-l for comments on new modules and dependencies. In this case I'd like to ask for valuable feedback on gdm trunk. Among the release-team there are different opinions whether to use trunk or 2.20.x for GNOME 2.24 and hence different opinions on regressions