Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Hi Suvayu, thanks for sharing your experiences. Clearly we have work to do. Wrt to specific name changes, I agree with Wes. If something is negative to a non-trivial portion of the population, why not use something that avoids that issue where possible. On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 7:44 PM Suvayu Ali

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

Just wanted to share an experience from another project. I am a big fan of dask developer log . It helped me understand what project is currently focusing on and some pointers on past decisions. I understand the current stage and workload may not go in

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

Undoubtedly, you always answer and that is amazing. Now all the help is core/pro -> beginner, but a average <-> average or average-> beginner cooperation would be nice. I understand it's not the time to introduce it yet, we don't have the critical mass. I didn't think of SO before, but indeed, it s

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:19 PM Adam Lippai wrote: > > I've seen better and worse examples before. > I was an active, beginner Drupal developer ~12 years ago. The Drupal > project community was very strong, particularly in Hungary where I live. > International and local IRC channels, international

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

I've seen better and worse examples before. I was an active, beginner Drupal developer ~12 years ago. The Drupal project community was very strong, particularly in Hungary where I live. International and local IRC channels, international and local forums+events, highly customized issue tracker and

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 1:52 PM Neal Richardson wrote: > > Hi Suvayu, > Thanks for your feedback. I'm sorry to hear that you feel that you haven't > had the best experiences trying to contribute to the project. For what it's > worth, I believe that raising concerns like this _is_ itself a valuable

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

Hi Suvayu, Thanks for your feedback. I'm sorry to hear that you feel that you haven't had the best experiences trying to contribute to the project. For what it's worth, I believe that raising concerns like this _is_ itself a valuable contribution. So even if you haven't gotten to the point of havin

Re: Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

Hi Wes, others, Thank you for taking the time to draft a long response. On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:57 PM Wes McKinney wrote: > > From a purely factual view, the project is successfully attracting and > supporting contributors. Over 500 different people have contributed to > the project (more than

Helping new contributors get started [was Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist]

hi Suvayu, Changing the subject so we can have a discussion about this separately. It sounds to me a bit like you may be airing grievances but I will offer my opinion and we can see what other people think. >From a purely factual view, the project is successfully attracting and supporting contrib

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Hi all, (sorry if this is a duplicate post, I always have trouble posting to this list) On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:54 PM Todd Hendricks wrote: > > I'm a black data scientist. For whatever it's worth, I have never taken > offense to the term "Master" branch, as I have never interpreted it to have

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Hi All, I'm a black data scientist. For whatever it's worth, I have never taken offense to the term "Master" branch, as I have never interpreted it to have a derogatory connotation. It's literally never crossed my mind. That said, I certainly appreciate the sentiment, and the spirit of the discus

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Makes sense, I'm happy to monitor the situation and revisit the discussion in the coming weeks. FTR, the whitelist/blacklist language was resolved yesterday in https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/7484. Neal On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 10:01 AM Micah Kornfield wrote: > GitHub is apparently looking

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

> > GitHub is apparently looking into it as well: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53050955 Yep, it seems like a few places are, that is why I think we should delay any branch renaming until bigger providers can come to a consensus, I don't want to have to make this change twice. > FWIW whe

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Thanks for the discussion, folks. I'm curious to hear what others think as well. Some responses inline. Neal On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:24 PM Micah Kornfield wrote: > sorry for the multiple posts ... I will also note that there is a lot of > debate on this change on the linked thread as well (a

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

sorry for the multiple posts ... I will also note that there is a lot of debate on this change on the linked thread as well (and I'm not sure the actual change will happen soon). On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:19 PM Micah Kornfield wrote: > FWIW Discussion on git core on naming [1], seems like it mig

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

FWIW Discussion on git core on naming [1], seems like it might be coalescing around "main". [1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/20200615205722.GG71506@syl.local/ On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:27 PM Micah Kornfield wrote: > I'm in favor of trying to align on neutral language within the codebase. > > On

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

I'm in favor of trying to align on neutral language within the codebase. On branch naming, I think we should wait a little to see if a consensus converges on a new naming convention at least within Git/Github. On a technical level, I'm not sure if automated tooling (e.g. crawlers) outside of the p

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:33 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Hi, > > Le 18/06/2020 à 21:56, Neal Richardson a écrit : > > Hi all, > > As you're likely aware, there's growing momentum in the developer community > > to drop terminology that some find offensive. > > Yes. Is it reasonable? Does it ac

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

hi Neal, Thanks for bringing this up. Independent of who is "right" (or simply "more right") about the merits of these changes, I support the use of language in the project that is broadly accepted as neutral. If a term used is neutral and clearly communicates its function, then we should use that

Re: Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Hi, Le 18/06/2020 à 21:56, Neal Richardson a écrit : > Hi all, > As you're likely aware, there's growing momentum in the developer community > to drop terminology that some find offensive. Yes. Is it reasonable? Does it achieve anything? Is there any sense in trying to "drop terminology that

Renaming master branch, removing blacklist/whitelist

Hi all, As you're likely aware, there's growing momentum in the developer community to drop terminology that some find offensive. As a project that takes pride in being welcoming and inclusive, I think this is something we should get in front of--particularly as we're approaching a 1.0 release. Sp