[jira] [Updated] (BVAL-101) Need a formal post-Incubator Build versioning and to include JSR 303 API jar

2012-03-19 Thread BK Lau (Updated) (JIRA)

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BK Lau updated BVAL-101:


Description: 
Since Apache BaVal has been voted to a top-level project, please release a 
post-Incubation Build number instead
of continuing with 0.4 incubating to allow enterprise adoption and usage.

May I suggest 1.0.0 to coincide with 0.4 incubating build?
Also include a JSR 303 API jar since its missing from all incubator build. That 
way, user don't have to hunt it and download it from
Oracle or JBoss site.

  was:
Since Apache has been voted to a top-level project, please release a 
post-Incubation Build number instead
of continuing with 0.4 incubating to allow enterprise adoption and usage.

May I suggest 1.0.0 to coincide with 0.4 incubating build?

Summary: Need a formal post-Incubator Build versioning and to  include 
JSR 303 API jar  (was: Need a formal post-Incubator Build versioning)

 Need a formal post-Incubator Build versioning and to  include JSR 303 API jar
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 Key: BVAL-101
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BVAL-101
 Project: BVal
  Issue Type: Bug
Affects Versions: 0.4-incubating
Reporter: BK Lau
  Labels: build, post-Incubating, release, versioning

 Since Apache BaVal has been voted to a top-level project, please release a 
 post-Incubation Build number instead
 of continuing with 0.4 incubating to allow enterprise adoption and usage.
 May I suggest 1.0.0 to coincide with 0.4 incubating build?
 Also include a JSR 303 API jar since its missing from all incubator build. 
 That way, user don't have to hunt it and download it from
 Oracle or JBoss site.

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Re: Logging API

2012-03-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
+1


On Monday, March 19, 2012, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
wrote:
 +1

 regards,
 gerhard



 2012/3/19 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com

 Apparently the selection of slf4j might not suit everyone.  While I am
 comfortable enough with its API (I prefer slf5j), it does cause us to
 impose downstream dependencies on our users that aren't really
 necessary.  As an implementation of an EE specification it would be
 nice of us to impose dependencies, particularly ones that require a
 degree of manual intervention like slf4j, on our users only when
 absolutely necessary.  We have 233 .java files in src/main folders,
 only 10 of which contain the String slf4j by which I guess that we
 are only logging a very small amount of information, in which case we
 might consider ourselves better citizens to simply use jul for BVal
 regardless of how we may feel about it in the context of implementing
 applications.

 Thoughts?

 Matt



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Re: Logging API

2012-03-19 Thread Mark Struberg
yup, jul is shitty but better than having 3rd party deps.

+1


LieGrue,
strub



- Original Message -
 From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org
 To: dev@bval.apache.org dev@bval.apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:46 PM
 Subject: Re: Logging API
 
 +1
 
 
 On Monday, March 19, 2012, Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  +1
 
  regards,
  gerhard
 
 
 
  2012/3/19 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
 
  Apparently the selection of slf4j might not suit everyone.  While I am
  comfortable enough with its API (I prefer slf5j), it does cause us to
  impose downstream dependencies on our users that aren't really
  necessary.  As an implementation of an EE specification it would be
  nice of us to impose dependencies, particularly ones that require a
  degree of manual intervention like slf4j, on our users only when
  absolutely necessary.  We have 233 .java files in src/main folders,
  only 10 of which contain the String slf4j by which I guess 
 that we
  are only logging a very small amount of information, in which case we
  might consider ourselves better citizens to simply use jul for BVal
  regardless of how we may feel about it in the context of implementing
  applications.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Matt
 
 
 
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Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?

2012-03-19 Thread Gerhard Petracek
+1

regards,
gerhard



2012/3/19 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de

 yup 0.4 is fine as well.


 I'd even say 0.8 or 0.9 is better ;)


 LieGrue,
 strub



 - Original Message -
  From: Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
  To: dev@bval.apache.org; Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
  Cc:
  Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?
 
 G erhard pointed out to me that there may be other items we want to
  look at (e.g. Apache* classnames) in addition to the logging
  discussion before we call our implementation baked enough for 1.0.
  I tend to agree with him and will proceed with 0.4 to be followed with
  a 1.0 in the near future, unless anyone disagrees.
 
  Matt
 
  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
 wrote:
   Folks this logging discussion sucks ^^
 
   Ok, not the _discussion_ sucks, the topic does ;)
 
   We need this stuff over and over again, and I really do think this
 loudly
  cries out for a commons-logging-2 or so.
 
   I already wrote this to the commons list, because we have this
 discussion
  over and over again on various projects.
 
   LieGrue,
   strub
 
 
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
   To: dev@bval.apache.org
   Cc:
   Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
   Subject: Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?
 
   hi matt,
 
   +1! for a release, but i'm not sure if we should call it v1.0
  already (if i
   remember correctly, we still don't have an agreement e.g. about the
  logging
   framework).
 
   regards,
   gerhard
 
 
 
   2012/3/13 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
 
Subject says it all.  Some of our other Apache TLPs would like to
  see
us make a release.  It's been a long time since
  0.3-incubating, and
1.0 would be a great way to inaugurate the project after having
  moved
to TLP.
 
Matt
 
 
 



Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?

2012-03-19 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 for the 0.4 release first and then go for the 1.0

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Gerhard Petracek 
gerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1

 regards,
 gerhard



 2012/3/19 Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de

  yup 0.4 is fine as well.
 
 
  I'd even say 0.8 or 0.9 is better ;)
 
 
  LieGrue,
  strub
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
   From: Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
   To: dev@bval.apache.org; Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
   Cc:
   Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:12 PM
   Subject: Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?
  
  G erhard pointed out to me that there may be other items we want to
   look at (e.g. Apache* classnames) in addition to the logging
   discussion before we call our implementation baked enough for 1.0.
   I tend to agree with him and will proceed with 0.4 to be followed with
   a 1.0 in the near future, unless anyone disagrees.
  
   Matt
  
   On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
  wrote:
Folks this logging discussion sucks ^^
  
Ok, not the _discussion_ sucks, the topic does ;)
  
We need this stuff over and over again, and I really do think this
  loudly
   cries out for a commons-logging-2 or so.
  
I already wrote this to the commons list, because we have this
  discussion
   over and over again on various projects.
  
LieGrue,
strub
  
  
  
- Original Message -
From: Gerhard Petracek gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
To: dev@bval.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Are we ready for a 1.0 release candidate?
  
hi matt,
  
+1! for a release, but i'm not sure if we should call it v1.0
   already (if i
remember correctly, we still don't have an agreement e.g. about the
   logging
framework).
  
regards,
gerhard
  
  
  
2012/3/13 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
  
 Subject says it all.  Some of our other Apache TLPs would like to
   see
 us make a release.  It's been a long time since
   0.3-incubating, and
 1.0 would be a great way to inaugurate the project after having
   moved
 to TLP.
  
 Matt
  
  
  
 




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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour

Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving
- Albert Einstein


Re: Logging API

2012-03-19 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
+1,

we (OpenEJB ;)) are waiting bval and owb and clearly next release can be a
first step before THE release :).

- Romain


2012/3/19 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com

 On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
 nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote:
  +1
 
  I want to volunteer to do it I have not done anything for BVal since its
  start.
 

 Great, thanks!

  As per the release of 0.4 I think this would be something we need to put
 it
  in there. Is there any rough estimate on when we need to cut the 0.4
  release ?

 As far as I know our friends at OpenEJB want to include our next
 release in a new version of TomEE, and may be blocked waiting.  In the
 interest of community I'd like to give it to them ASAP, but I don't
 personally consider the logging issue to be a blocker to 0.4,
 depending on your schedule.

 Matt

 
  On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de
 wrote:
 
  yup, jul is shitty but better than having 3rd party deps.
 
  +1
 
 
  LieGrue,
  strub
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
   From: Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org
   To: dev@bval.apache.org dev@bval.apache.org
   Cc:
   Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:46 PM
   Subject: Re: Logging API
  
   +1
  
  
   On Monday, March 19, 2012, Gerhard Petracek 
 gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
   wrote:
+1
  
regards,
gerhard
  
  
  
2012/3/19 Matt Benson gudnabr...@gmail.com
  
Apparently the selection of slf4j might not suit everyone.  While
 I am
comfortable enough with its API (I prefer slf5j), it does cause us
 to
impose downstream dependencies on our users that aren't really
necessary.  As an implementation of an EE specification it would be
nice of us to impose dependencies, particularly ones that require a
degree of manual intervention like slf4j, on our users only when
absolutely necessary.  We have 233 .java files in src/main folders,
only 10 of which contain the String slf4j by which I guess
   that we
are only logging a very small amount of information, in which case
 we
might consider ourselves better citizens to simply use jul for BVal
regardless of how we may feel about it in the context of
 implementing
applications.
  
Thoughts?
  
Matt
  
  
  
   --
   Sent from Gmail Mobile
  
 
 
 
 
  --
  Thanks
  - Mohammad Nour
  
  Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
 moving
  - Albert Einstein



[jira] [Created] (BVAL-102) Convert Apache* classnames in BVal to BVal*

2012-03-19 Thread Matt Benson (Created) (JIRA)
Convert Apache* classnames in BVal to BVal*
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 Key: BVAL-102
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BVAL-102
 Project: BVal
  Issue Type: Task
  Components: jsr303
Affects Versions: 0.3-incubating
Reporter: Matt Benson


Unless anyone else prefers a different nomenclature, but Apache* is probably a 
little too broad.

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[jira] [Created] (BVAL-103) switch BVal from slf4j to java.util.logging

2012-03-19 Thread Matt Benson (Created) (JIRA)
switch BVal from slf4j to java.util.logging
---

 Key: BVAL-103
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BVAL-103
 Project: BVal
  Issue Type: Task
Affects Versions: 0.3-incubating
Reporter: Matt Benson
Assignee: Mohammad Nour


Team consensus seems to go that the convenience of slf4j for the bval team 
doesn't justify the potential inconvenience for users, given the slight amount 
of logging we do.

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