> My life regarding software goes thru phases. A phase transition is when
> you strongly believe in something, then you strongly change your mind.
> Others call it a 'revelation', others think you lost your mind.
>
> I wrote Cocoon as a way to help achieving a more coherent look and feel
> for the
x27;m very keen to see what
> > they can come up with. If they wish to accept this invitation, they can
> > be provided with the necessary accounts.
>
> I forgot to include Sebastien Arbogast, who I'd also like to offer
> editorship. I apologise to Sebastien for my ommi
perience as
possible because I only have a few days to figure out a solution to
that problem.
I sincerely thank you for any help in advance.
Best regards.
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[1] http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/WebServiceServer
[2]
http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/apidocs/org/apache/cocoon/components/axi
pears to be properly configured in
cocoon.xconf). If anyone could give me more details about that one, it
would be great...
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ld access HttpServletRequest and
HttpServletResponse from flowscript using the cocoon object. Maybe it
would be enough to rebuild the MessageContext object and forward it to
some Axis handlers... WDYT ?
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ost constructive way. Hopefully we will be
> able to collaborate over the next 4 weeks and get a good start on
> rewriting these docs.
That would be great !
Cheers
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?
BTW this works perfectly and it's much cleaner than the previous
approach (no more JXTemplate and XSLT to extract SOAP data) but I
still lose HTTP headers from the initial request because I build a
message from the received SOAP envelope instead of getting a
MessageContent built from the servlet request. So does anyone have an
idea for that... ?
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very much to take time to think about it. I really appreciate that.
In the meantime, does someone have an idea how I can use
SoapServerImpl in my application ? According to the API documentation
it's quite recent (last committed on 2005-01-30 by Carsten Ziegeler),
written by Marcus Crafter. An
> Sebastien,
>
> Can you please explain a bit what you are trying to achieve? (use
> case?). Do you need to use Axis handlers? Where is your business logic
> going to reside (java objects? ejb?)
Alright. My Cocoon application is based on a Spring business logic and
I'm using Flowscript as a contro
XMLSchema";>
http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/";>
With map.gif in attachment of course.
I know it's not very frequent as a usage of webservices but I need
something like that.
I hope it gives you a better id
xis inside Cocoon ?
And I found that
(http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/apidocs/org/apache/cocoon/components/axis/SoapServer.html)
in the API docs... would it be useful ? how ?
Thx in advance.
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d proposition", now that we came up with
something concrete, feel free to participate in our effort :-)
Here you go : http://www.planetcocoon.com/fr/node/2079
Cheers
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Translating the whole
documentation is a huge task that we are not ready to tackle on,
unless some volunteer !
"
Nothing to add, that's exactly what we want to achieve : share widely,
because Open Source should also mean Open Community, and not a
community that just says "we don't need them, we have enough work to
do here"...
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2005/5/24, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> > On Mar, 24 de Mayo de 2005, 15:35, Sylvain Wallez dijo:
> >
> >>Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The second important thing I notice in your remark is the
ready been published and all the ones to come and for which you
are also greatly encouraged to give us feedback.
Cheers.
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2005/5/24, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> > 2005/5/24, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
>
> ...
>
> >>It is called integration.
>
> ...
>
> > OK I'm sorry Ross. I'm really sorry. Yo
2005/5/24, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> > 2005/5/24, Ross Gardler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >>Mark Leicester wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello Bertrand,
> >>>
> >>>On 24 May 2005, at 12:20, B
2005/5/24, Gerald Aichholzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello Sebastien,
>
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> >>>you can see the aliased edges in the letters a, b, o and c. This
> >>>is causing a very blurry presentation when viewing in normal size.
> >>
&g
on
"MY" because I don't want to involve Mark in that opinion) : the
reason why we chose to use Drupal instead of some Cocoon-based CMS,
the reason why I would personally prefer we create our own document
storage format to fit our needs accurately rather than some
Forrest-oriented solution (remaining Forrest-convertible of course),
the reason why I think Planet Cocoon is a wonderful initiative, it's
because it's another complement, another door opened on Cocoon's
universe.
This is not a troll. This is not a provocation of any sort. I just
wanted to precise the way I see things and I'd be happy to discuss
that in a constructive debate.
Cheers.
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er).
Gerald try to make sure that ClearType is on : Control
panel/Display/4th tab/Button Effects...-> Anti-aliasing
method=ClearType
And tell me if the problem is still there.
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s we want to integrate, while keeping docs compatible
with Forrest formats. So it's far from being determined yet. It should
be in the next few weeks or so.
Thank you very much for your interest. We'll remember your offer and
keep you in touch as soon as we have something more concrete.
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2005/5/23, Gerald Aichholzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> >
> > I've just published four new ideas on my blog
> > (http://www.planetcocoon.com/taxonomy/term/60) to implement features
> > of
from sitemaps, xml and text files.
We'll study that very carefully because we began to talk about this
documentation-code integration feature and it seems to be a tricky
thing. So any other trial to get to that kind of thing would help up
to start.
Thx for that.
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2005/5/23, Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Le 23 mai 05, à 13:28, Sebastien Arbogast a écrit :
>
> > ...You're totally right and you remember me that samples should be part
> > of Cocoon documentation as well as any other document. Maybe we could
> &
2005/5/23, Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> > ...I've just published four new ideas on my blog..
>
> About "Typo3-like documentation matrix" - I've been thinking for a
> while that a matrix of our *samples* would be a big help: having all
> samples listed on a single p
nswer that survey and you find it
highly more effective to have it on the mailing list, please tell us
so that we can study more carefully technical solutions to process
them automatically.
See ya' on Planet Cocoon.
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7;s a demo of the kind of things we could achieve with video
tutorials on PlanetCocoon. FYI this file is only 6MB and it's DivX
encoded.
Cheers
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ad of the one I overrided in my custom
exception. Is it normal ?
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so give me your
thoughts here on the mailing list.
Oh and by the way, feel free to point me out any English mistake I
have made in my content. English is not my first language so sometimes
I tend to use clumsy expressions.
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function editUser(){
var username= cocoon.parameters["username"];
}
I know nothing about the technical feasability of that,it's more a
curious question because I would find this syntax much more practical.
WDYT ?
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em : of course adapting it to
users and to potential writers is essential, but let's not forget to
integrate document type in the process.
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end can be achieved now :
What You See Is What You...
- Get
- Structure
- Meant
and the closer we'll get to the "What You See Is What You THINK", the
easier it will be to create any digital content. Isn't it what all the
computer thing is all about ?
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hat we
> need inside out, we just need to find a way to make it happen and stop
> talking about it.
You're totally right. I got the message and be sure we are working on it.
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ething named... is it CMS? ;-P
Waouh Sylvain this is just great. Mark I hope you're taking notes
because he is quite prolific ;-P
I see at least 5 new ideas in this new thread, ideas we have to
integrate in brainstorming forum. This is just great, this is exactly
the kind of feedback we need.
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s good or bad to
define our own rules and structures. So be sure to keep in touch with
PlanetCocoon's brainstorming forum to share your experience with PHP
documentation with us.
> - Tony (Who's been *way* too busy with new job after graduating to work
> on anything remotely fun anymore.
I know what you mean. This should come soon for me too. ;-)
Cheers
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be the last message in that thread and
that other will come to drive the initial idea back on rails : how can
we communicate a positive and modern image to potential Cocoon users
through a unique, coherent, communicative and open documentation
community.
Best regards and keep up the good work.
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t him ? And what about people who wrote documentation and/or
sample for Cocoon distribution, or articles for the Wiki ? Even if
it's just for a (constructive) opinion about what we've already talked
about, every one is welcome.
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> It already applies here. Where do you think I learnt it ;-)
>
> It is the conspet of lazy consensus Upayavira was referring to.
Well then obviously it's not always as efficient as expected :-P Or
once more it's not enough...
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> Don't forget a patch can be a complete replacement of an existing
> solution/document.
It CAN be ! ;-)
BTW your article is really excellent. Maybe we should apply this "lazy
consensus" thing, WDYT ?
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freedom.
For the time being I don't expect people to join in anymore : on
Cocoon In Action website there were more than 200 visits a day, 200
silent people waiting for things to happen. So we have to deal with
that. But at least I hope that people already involved in
documentation effort, whether on Cocoon wiki or on some other
surrounding website will manage to join their effort to get something
more coherent.
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ganization and decision is completely pointless.
And if a few influential people don't dare to make some strategic
choices and define directions for the project as important as this
one, our calls (I'm not even a committer since I haven't "done" yet)
will just remain without effect.
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cumentation in the new Cocoon
2.2 documentation effort.
So WDYT ? Stefano ? Bertrand ? Sylvain ? Upayavira ? Helma ? Others I
forgot ? And what about planetcocoon, cocoondev and cocooncenter
webmasters, if you can read this, what's your opinion ? How do you see
things ? Do you want Cocoon to be better
n, don't manage to figure it out and
finally fall back to better documented alternative solutions. At least
it's the way I personally feel it because I'm convinced that IF the
objective is to make the community wider, documentation is the key.
But it's just my personal opinion ;-)
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ew
days. I will be happy to participate in Cocoon development COMMUNITY
effort as I acquire more and more experience with it.
In the meantime, keep up the good work guys...
Best regards...
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dn't find enough "subjective point of views" so the
only solution I had to have a better view of the general context was
to test a few frameworks.
But it's OK I'll try to create a draft of AlternativeFrameworks on wiki...
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ing framework,
publication framework) and then to list possible "competitors" for
each aspect, pointing out that one of the great strengths of Cocoon is
that it can do all of that, and even more in the future thanks to
blocks : WebServices server, etc.
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French-speaking members now, the idea of a
realtime translation in French has been evoked so...
So we will review documents until Sunday I think, and from Monday we
should be able to organize the first tasks and to share them.
Your comments are welcome.
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http://www.epseelon.org/cocooninaction
It's alright. I managed to compile it with Cocoon 2.1.6.
Thx
On 4/20/05, Sebastien Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a pre-built version of CHS sample somewhere ? Because
> I tried to download sources and followed the procedure on cocoondev
>
And I really need it to have some ideas about best practices to access
my Spring business layer from Cocoon...
Thx in advance.
Regards.
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on to this list which is (if I remember
well) dedicated do Cocoon development. So I sincerely hope that this
conversation will not degenerate into some kind of ideological argue.
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tool to design my
XMLSchema and then translate it to Cocoon Forms using this utility.
On the other hand, as XForms are a standard, I guess I can already
find tools to design them graphically.
It's to study...
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k on "New user" then on "Finish"
- Then your password is displayed again and you can click on Login
Now you should be in your account.
I don't see you in members list, which means there was a problem
during registration.
I should change the standard procedure soon to i
perfectly.
Oh... and don't hesitate to give us feedback about the website itself.
Design is quite basic for the time being but at least it's functional.
Regards.
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te to work on this
documentation, it's because it needed tools that don't exist on
today's Cocoon infrastructure, especially forums and workflow
management.
So for me there are two conditions to be met :
- finding a Java hosting space
- finding a Cocoon CMS which provides such tools
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l stuff to the Cocoon
community.
Have a good day !
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http://www.epseelon.org/cocooninaction
build the content, to get
it to a nearly-finished state before writing things on the wiki or
making a request in bugzilla. That's the general idea...
When you want to go from one side of the river to the other side, you
can dive and swim, or you can quickly build a pirogue that will be
more efficient, that will be able to carry many more people and scare
far less
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ugh to achieve such a monolithic work. And
that's what we are going to try to do. Maybe I'm idealistic, maybe it
won't be enough, but I want to try...
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nce and with that kind of intermediate level doc there could be
a straight link between both of them.
But I think that the key to get all of this working is to concentrate
our energies...
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order to
know what must be added or removed : what are the topics we are going
to cover and that will need a coded illustration, and what are those
that we won't cover ?
I haven't studied your "origami" site in depth for now, but it might
be a good start. In any way your idea is very good.
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tware Engineering, Open Source, Web Applications, Apache Cocoon}
>
> web(log): http://www.poetz.cc
> ----
>
>
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Ok it's alright I just checked your update on the wiki. Pfio it's
late here in montreal, maybe I should go to bed... ;o)
On 4/13/05, Sebastien Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So the new 2.2 documentation base is in whiteboard or trunk ?
>
> On 4/13/05, Reinhar
So the new 2.2 documentation base is in whiteboard or trunk ?
On 4/13/05, Reinhard Poetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> > Just to precise a little point that is not explicitly precised in the wiki.
> > To download the sources of Cocoon 2.2, I do a
wrote:
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> > Oh yes I totally agree with that. As a matter of format and technical
> > infrastructure, it is the best solution and we could just make a new
> > documentation branch at the top level. What I meant by "in parallel" I
> >
wnload and build this new documentation in
local to see what it's like...
On 4/13/05, Reinhard Poetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sebastien Arbogast wrote:
> >>Why in parallel? Look at http://brutus.apache.org/docs/build/cocoon-2-2/.
> >>This
> >>build alr
e useful to repost this thread on users list to see
what users think of this idea, if they would find it useful to have
such an intermediate guide.
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n successful, we would need many interested
diverse-skilled people to bring this to realty in a reasonable time
(that is before Cocoon 4 at least ;o)
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