On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:41:10 -0500, Ole Ersoy wrote:
On 09/24/2015 06:01 PM, Gilles wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:02:15 -0500, Ole Ersoy wrote:
On 09/24/2015 03:23 PM, Luc Maisonobe wrote:
Le 24/09/2015 21:40, Ole Ersoy a écrit :
Hi Luc,
I gave this some more thought, and I think I may have
Hello,
We have been discussing various ways to view what's happening internally with
algorithms, and the topic of including SLF4J has come up. I know that this was
discussed earlier and it was decided that CM is a low level dependency,
therefore it should minimize the transitive dependencies
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 22:07:58 -0500, Ole Ersoy wrote:
Why should the instance throwing the exception hold a field with the
information?
Separation of concerns: optimizer does the computation,
then the exception holds what's needed for a full report of the
failure.
I would see what makes sense on
Hello,
I'm going to utilize Lombok in a CM design experiment. Once the experiment is
done CM can decide if it likes Lombok. I know that CM tries to stay dependency
free, so I just want to make clear that Lombok is compile time only:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6107197/how-does-lombok-w
Hi Ole,
can you explain why you think that the addition of lombok brings any
benefit to our users?
>From my point of view, lombok can help developers by taking over some
tedious tasks, but this is quite irrelevant in the case of CM as the
majority of work goes into algorithm design and verificati
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of logging
facility to CM.
If the outcome is positive, there are a handful of alternatives, some of
them more viable than slf4j in the context of CM (e.g. JUL or
commons-logg
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of
logging
facility to CM.
If the outcome is positive, there are a handful of alternatives, some
of
them more
On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
>> Hi Ole,
>>
>> for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
>> First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of
>> logging
>> facility to CM.
>> If the outcome is positive, ther
On 09/25/2015 06:55 AM, Gilles wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:41:10 -0500, Ole Ersoy wrote:
On 09/24/2015 06:01 PM, Gilles wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:02:15 -0500, Ole Ersoy wrote:
On 09/24/2015 03:23 PM, Luc Maisonobe wrote:
Le 24/09/2015 21:40, Ole Ersoy a écrit :
Hi Luc,
I gave this s
Hi Thomas,
On 09/25/2015 08:45 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
can you explain why you think that the addition of lombok brings any
benefit to our users?
Sure - I'm looking at the LevenbergMarquardtOptimizer ATM, and it has the
following set of parameters:
/* configuration parameters
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of
logging
facility to
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Gilles
wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>> On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
>>>
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
Hi Thomas,
On 09/25/2015 08:54 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of logging
facility to CM.
Well it has to be SLF4J because that's the one I'm most familiar with :). We
did di
On 9/25/15 8:45 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> On 09/25/2015 08:54 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
>> Hi Ole,
>>
>> for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
>> First of all we need to agree that we want to add some kind of
>> logging
>> facility to CM.
> Well it has to be SLF4J bec
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 9/25/15 8:45 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > On 09/25/2015 08:54 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
> >> Hi Ole,
> >>
> >> for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
> >> First of all we need to agree that we want to add so
On 9/25/15 8:09 AM, Gilles wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you are asking the wrong question.
First of all we need to
On 09/25/2015 05:04 PM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> On 09/25/2015 08:45 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
>> Hi Ole,
>>
>> can you explain why you think that the addition of lombok brings any
>> benefit to our users?
> Sure - I'm looking at the LevenbergMarquardtOptimizer ATM, and it has
> the foll
On 09/25/2015 11:34 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
I disagree. Good tests, API contracts, exception management and documentation
can and should eliminate the need for cluttering low-level library code with
debug logging.
Logging could be viewed as clutter. Constructed the right way, the logging
s
On 09/25/2015 12:55 PM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
On 09/25/2015 05:04 PM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
Hi Thomas,
On 09/25/2015 08:45 AM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
can you explain why you think that the addition of lombok brings any
benefit to our users?
Sure - I'm looking at the LevenbergMarquardtO
On 9/25/15 11:01 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
>
>
> On 09/25/2015 11:34 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> I disagree. Good tests, API contracts, exception management and
>> documentation can and should eliminate the need for cluttering
>> low-level library code with debug logging.
>
> Logging could be viewed as cl
I was just looking at the UrlValidator test and I noticed that localhost
is allowed in the URL if the ALLOW_LOCAL_URLS flag is set, and it is not
allowed if the ALLOW_LOCAL_URLS flag is not set.
If the ALLOW_LOCAL_URLS is not set, a loopback IP address (127.0.0.1)
URL will validate. It seems t
On 09/25/2015 03:06 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 9/25/15 11:01 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote:
On 09/25/2015 11:34 AM, Phil Steitz wrote:
I disagree. Good tests, API contracts, exception management and
documentation can and should eliminate the need for cluttering
low-level library code with debug logging
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:06:43 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
I say something like: "I had to fork some CM class to insert
log statements."
You say something like: "No, you don't; write test or inspect
the code."
You had been more constructive:
http://markmail.org/thread/a5jl6fkjjtm5qbsw
Even if Ole
Oughtn't there be an option to have logging for developers? If you'd like
to use it, feel free; if not, don't. Including log4j (or slf or
commons-logging, so on) doesn't add too much weight to the jar -- one file,
a small properties file, and 4-lines in the pom file. If there is interest,
I can sub
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:30:33 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Gilles
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:54:14 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
Hi Ole,
for a start, I think you
On 25 September 2015 at 16:47, Gilles wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:30:33 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Gilles
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gilles wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15
For such a simple case like logging in a (math) library you can also use
the JDK jul logging.
However I really do not see a need for it (and I
think it can negatively impact the user experience of a lib if it does
logging even when it has no environmental interactions)
Am Sat, 26 Sep
2015 01:47:
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 02:00:13 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
For such a simple case like logging in a (math) library you can also
use
the JDK jul logging.
This may make you change your mind:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11359187/why-not-use-java-util-logging
However I really do not s
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:52:26 -0700, Hasan Diwan wrote:
On 25 September 2015 at 16:47, Gilles
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 17:30:33 +0200, Thomas Neidhart wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Gilles
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:28:48 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
On 9/25/15 7:03 AM, Gille
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