Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-04-01 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
Hi folks, I probably missed most of the fun here (overworked) but IMHO it makes sense to update both projects to JDK 8 A related question - someone volunteering as release manager? Having said that I can lend a hand for the code changes :) Thanks in advance Siegfried Goeschl > On 29.03.2021

Re: Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-28 Thread Matt Sicker
Calling it technical debt is pretty useful, too, because just like monetary debt, it can be useful to accumulate some in the short term for productive reasons, but if you don't pay it off and manage it properly, the interest payments begin to dominate expenses. Interest on technical debt comes in t

Re: Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-28 Thread Gary Gregory
WRT rant: We call that "technical debt" and to move the needle on that developers are (sometimes or always depending on you company) asked to explain the "business value" for spending the time (IOW the money) to do so. At which point said developers roll their eyes, pull their remaining hair out, o

Aw: Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-28 Thread Thomas Schapitz
> If they are still on Java 6 or 7, then updating libraries might not be a > priority. > > Gary   I second that. If an organization is still reluctant to upgrade at least to JDK 8, its rather unlikely that the same organization is urgently requiring to update to any latest commons release. An

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-22 Thread Strauss, Randy (ARC-AF)[KBR Wyle Services, LLC]
> 2018-11-29-F008-Back40.csv I work for NASA (as a contractor). It seems that for Macs, NASA, and perhaps all of the federal government, don't yet support anything past Java 8. I have no idea why... -r Randy Strauss Software Engr, SWS/UAM/UTM, NASA Ames Research Center -

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-20 Thread Gary Gregory
Thank you for the explainer Ralph :-) Gary On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 13:27 Ralph Goers wrote: > We just concluded this same discussion for Log4j. I looked at the JRebel > 2021 report [1] to gauge the number of people using a particular Java > version. Respondents were able to select multiple versio

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-20 Thread Ralph Goers
We just concluded this same discussion for Log4j. I looked at the JRebel 2021 report [1] to gauge the number of people using a particular Java version. Respondents were able to select multiple versions so the numbers don’t add up to 100%. Java 7 or older.15% Java 8 69% Java

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-20 Thread Gary Gregory
They choose to update not, no one forces updates magically, unless you always pick up the latest by not specifying a version in a POM (bad practice). If they are still on Java 6 or 7, then updating libraries might not be a priority. Gary On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 07:27 John Patrick wrote: > Some c

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2021-03-20 Thread John Patrick
Some customers might need to use Java 7, but what about the customers who want to use it on Java 17 which will be in rampdown in 5 months and released in 6 months? Also from memory from conferences ~ 2018/2019 I thought Java 17 was planning on removing the Classpath so everything needed to be Modul

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2020-11-21 Thread sebb
On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 17:13, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:46 AM sebb wrote: > > > Note that Java 7 and later are all on lndefinite Sustaining Support: > > > > https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html > > > > This is presumably because there are

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2020-11-21 Thread Gary Gregory
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:46 AM sebb wrote: > Note that Java 7 and later are all on lndefinite Sustaining Support: > > https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html > > This is presumably because there are customers who need Java 7. > And those paying Oracle customers ar

Re: [exec][email] Java 7 to 8

2020-11-21 Thread sebb
Note that Java 7 and later are all on lndefinite Sustaining Support: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/java-se-support-roadmap.html This is presumably because there are customers who need Java 7. On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 at 16:18, Gary Gregory wrote: > > I do not see a reason to maintain EXE