Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Jacob Champion
On 12/20/2016 09:51 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I (and maybe others) want to eliminate the argument that the response rate was too low to be used to draw conclusions. I agree; this was one of my first thoughts when I saw the survey response rate. --Jacob -

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/20/16, 6:47 PM, "Matthew Sacks" wrote: >Alex, what does this have anything to do with diversity? I (and maybe others) want to eliminate the argument that the response rate was too low to be used to draw conclusions. See [1]. Thinking about this more, we might also want to factor in any

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Sacks
Alex, what does this have anything to do with diversity? I think the main point here is Sharan's survey results and what that data means for the ASF and its future. To me it shows a great deal of opportunity to expand the influence of the ASF in it's general rol of software stewardship, and polic

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
I have the awk scripts to do that all against svn logs. Since the introduction of git-based projects, either as a submission mechanism or primary tool, it becomes much less comprehensive. On Dec 20, 2016 20:44, "Daniel Gruno" wrote: > On 12/21/2016 03:30 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > > > On 12

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 12/21/2016 03:30 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 12/20/16, 8:11 AM, "Rich Bowen" wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >>> Hello Everyone >>> >>> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >>> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/20/16, 8:11 AM, "Rich Bowen" wrote: > > >On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: >> Hello Everyone >> >> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting >> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that >> responded to the survey. It has be

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Karen Bryant
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Pierre Smits
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Pierre Smits
I, for one, thank Sharan for the itch she scratched, and compliment her on the result. Many talk politics (sharing their viewpoint) here in this thread, and elsewhere in this community. If that is the itch that needs to be scratched, then that is fine by me too... But in the near future (when all

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote: > Hello Everyone > > A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting > the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that > responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect > this informatio

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/19/2016 11:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > 2. Are there similar surveys available for say Linux Kernel, Debian or > GNU/FSF (i.e. other low-visibility, highly technical FOSS projects) ?? Bitergia did one for the Linux Kernel: https://blog.bitergia.com/2016/10/11/gender-diversity-analysis-o

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
On 12/19/2016 11:39 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > 3. The survey was targeted at committers. Shouldn't we also find out who > "uses" our software. After all, by-and-large, we attract our committers > from our users ("who has an itch to scratch"). That is a primary point of > "conversion" and if the

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Rich Bowen
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm finding deep, deep irony in the signature quote you chose to append to your message. On 12/19/2016 05:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > > — > Pe

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Sacks
Perhaps because it’s future depends on it? > On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Peter West wrote: > > Why does the ASF give a tinker’s damn about diversity? Why are scarce > resources being devoted to it? Seriously. > > — > Peter West > p...@pbw.id.au > “I am the handmaid of

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2016-12-20 Thread Ignasi Barrera
Let me just mention something said up-thread, about the ASF being about voluntary software... It is, but is even more about communities. One of the most important core values of the ASF is "community over code". Communities come first, and the ASF, as a foundation, just sets the principles on top o