Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > ICLAs are still an absolute requirement. So, imagine an Apache project with > a policy like: > >Commit rights are granted on request to people with an Apache ICLA on > file ... > OK. I understand. And I hope we think of "commit right

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-11 Thread Joe Schaefer
  Projects shouldn't balk at polite suggestions to modernize, even if we always allow themselves the option of declining to participate. > > From: Bertrand Delacretaz >To: dev@community.apache.org >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:43 AM >Subject:

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > ...There's a weaker form of this idea that looks at two populations of > potential contributors: the members of the Apache Software Foundation > (members@) and all of the people who have been granted commit rights on all > of the projects (

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-10 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:31:44AM -, Ross Gardler wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jed Smith [mailto:j...@jedsmith.org] > > Sent: 10 January 2013 21:27 > > Subject: Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights > > ... > > > The tool isn&#x

RE: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-10 Thread Ross Gardler
> -Original Message- > From: Jed Smith [mailto:j...@jedsmith.org] > Sent: 10 January 2013 21:27 > Subject: Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights ... > The tool isn't the issue here, and I disagree with any attempt to reframe it > that way. +1 Ross

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-10 Thread Jed Smith
There is nothing wrong with Subversion except for preference and difficulty in making branches. I disagree that Benson's topic is directly influenced by such a lower-rung choice as a version control system. The same discussion would be necessary if Apache were completely on Git; who can push direct

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Thomas Koch wrote: > Benson Margulies: >> Anyone can read http://www.apache.org/dev/open-access-svn.html to see a >> summary of the central idea that started this discussion: that the default >> authorization scheme for Subversion at Apache should be to grant techn

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-10 Thread Thomas Koch
Benson Margulies: > Anyone can read http://www.apache.org/dev/open-access-svn.html to see a > summary of the central idea that started this discussion: that the default > authorization scheme for Subversion at Apache should be to grant technical > permission to commit to all committers across the F

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-06 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, janI wrote: > On 5 January 2013 19:14, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> Mature, popular projects tend to receive more contributions than they can >> handle; competent review becomes the scarce resource. I question whether >> an RTC project would really spend a lot of ti

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-05 Thread janI
On 5 January 2013 19:14, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > It seems that the people who show up at these projects are, almost > > universally, responsible adults who are happy to comply. > > The ASF is always going to require an iCLA before gr

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-05 Thread janI
I personally like the idea of giving committer right on request. I do not like the fact that is has to be earned...we are volunteers not workers ! However I fully understand PMCs that are concerned about uncontrolled commits, so I see the "right on request" go hand in hand with a way of "removing

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-05 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > It seems that the people who show up at these projects are, almost > universally, responsible adults who are happy to comply. The ASF is always going to require an iCLA before granting commit rights. That on its own poses a significant bar

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-05 Thread Benson Margulies
ICLAs are still an absolute requirement. So, imagine an Apache project with a policy like: Commit rights are granted on request to people with an Apache ICLA on file ... On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > . > .

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

2013-01-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: . . . > > The question at hand here is, 'is this really a good idea? Would project > grow and thrive better if they set a lower bar to grant commit rights?' > How does the iCLA fit into any change? Personally I would not mind commit right