Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-15 Thread Ray Camden
But that would kill config.xml. I agree about not wanting to go down the road of making everyone happy. Right now though I think we can please 2 folks - the brand new folks (with the default hello world) and those who are experienced (bare bones mostly empty index.html). On 7/13/13 11:41 AM, "An

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-15 Thread Ray Camden
Michael, tell me how you feel after you *aren't* a new user. ;) That was my point. The project is cool when you start, but after that, it is just clutter imo. On 7/12/13 12:26 AM, "Michael Jackson" wrote: >I really like the default app. As a brand new cordova dev it helped me >understand how to

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-13 Thread Michal Mocny
l 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Wargo, John wrote: > > > cordova create [--shellOnly] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:09 AM > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > > Subject:

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-13 Thread Anis KADRI
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:09 AM > To: dev@cordova.apache.org > Subject: Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project > > can it be an option to the cordova cli? > cordova create [--noHelloApp] > or > cordova crea

RE: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Wargo, John
cordova create [--shellOnly] -Original Message- From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:09 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project can it be an option to the cordova cli? cordova create

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Michal Mocny
My bad, sorry for the mixup. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > Indeed you did. I was responding to Michal. > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Shazron wrote: > > Brian, The discussion is in the mailing list as I mentioned, we can > > continue there. > > > > > > On Fri, J

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
Indeed you did. I was responding to Michal. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Shazron wrote: > Brian, The discussion is in the mailing list as I mentioned, we can > continue there. > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > >> Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Shazron
Brian, The discussion is in the mailing list as I mentioned, we can continue there. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place for discussion! > The issue tracker is where stuff thats been agreed upon should happen. > That said, I

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
Well, hold on, mailing list is totally a valid place for discussion! The issue tracker is where stuff thats been agreed upon should happen. That said, I think we agree we'd like a path for project generation. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Michal Mocny wrote: > Agree with Shaz, most of these t

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Michal Mocny
Agree with Shaz, most of these thoughts already addressed in that bug. Please add further opinions about specifics there. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Shazron wrote: > Might be worth chiming in on the CB-4153 thread on this ML ("app" folder > concept) > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 AM

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Shazron
Might be worth chiming in on the CB-4153 thread on this ML ("app" folder concept) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brian LeRoux wrote: > In an earlier incarnation of Cordova the CLI had a a --recipe flag. That > could be modified to accept a path or a Git repo. This would retain the > existing

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Brian LeRoux
In an earlier incarnation of Cordova the CLI had a a --recipe flag. That could be modified to accept a path or a Git repo. This would retain the existing and fulfill Ray's use case. Thoughts? On Jul 12, 2013 7:34 AM, "Lucas Holmquist" wrote: > +1 to keeping the default template, but the ability

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Lucas Holmquist
+1 to keeping the default template, but the ability to change it if you want to On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Shazron wrote: > Carlos I think that is essentially what others have proposed here - specify > a template to use. > > Personally I like the default project to still be the default, if o

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Shazron
Carlos I think that is essentially what others have proposed here - specify a template to use. Personally I like the default project to still be the default, if only for the majority of our users who are not more experienced programmers. More experienced programmers will not be put off by specifyi

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-12 Thread Carlos Santana
can it be an option to the cordova cli? cordova create [--noHelloApp] or cordova create [--blankIndexHTML] You get the point I vote for default to have defaultApp included. It provides gratification of every "Hello World" gives when starting with something new. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:26 AM,

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Jackson
I really like the default app. As a brand new cordova dev it helped me understand how to get started with it. -- Michael Jackson @mjackson On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Ray Camden wrote: > I can add this as a Jira item if it makes sense, but, what do folks think > about the following: > >

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Ray Camden
Michal, that's exactly what I meant. On 7/11/13 2:09 PM, "Michal Mocny" wrote: >But outside of CLI you are the one who sets up your app, right? > >This has specifically to do with the "cordova create" step starting with a >copy of helloworld which is not empty. I think. > >-Michal >

RE: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Wargo, John
I agree, I'd prefer a clean template to use for new projects. Give people who want a example app another mechanism. All of us stripping out all of the HelloWorld code for every new project is an unnecessary use of time. John M. Wargo SAP | Charlotte, NC | USA Office: +1 704.321.0265 | Mobile:

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
But outside of CLI you are the one who sets up your app, right? This has specifically to do with the "cordova create" step starting with a copy of helloworld which is not empty. I think. -Michal On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Jesse MacFadyen wrote: > +1 to going back to an empty page that s

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Jesse MacFadyen
+1 to going back to an empty page that simply includes cordova.js This applies to more than just CLI btw, so I don't think using a flag is the way. Cheers, Jesse Sent from my iPhone5 On Jul 11, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Shazron wrote: +1 for a flag for specifying the template. Adding this for iOS

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Filip Maj
Is that all filed as an issue? Im forgetful :P On 7/11/13 11:31 AM, "Michal Mocny" wrote: >Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the >starting >app template (ie, the "hello world" app) at cordova create time. > >In mobile-chrome-apps land we do this via an optional --sou

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
Couldn't find an open issue, created CB-4153 and assigned to Fil for now. -Michal On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Shazron wrote: > +1 for a flag for specifying the template. > Adding this for iOS is easy in the create script (just parameterize the > template folder location) > > > On Thu, Jul

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Shazron
+1 for a flag for specifying the template. Adding this for iOS is easy in the create script (just parameterize the template folder location) On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Michal Mocny wrote: > Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the starting > app template (ie, th

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Ray Camden
I'd be cool with a command line flag and having the default be as it is. For folks who care (like me ;) I'd just remember to add the flag. On 7/11/13 1:31 PM, "Michal Mocny" wrote: >Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the >starting >app template (ie, the "hello world"

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Michal Mocny
Fil has mentioned that we will eventually add a way to specify the starting app template (ie, the "hello world" app) at cordova create time. In mobile-chrome-apps land we do this via an optional --source=... flag, and it accepts a few "magic" values such as --source=spec to automatically create a

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Ray Camden
To be clear, I want it to be nothing! Once I know how to use PG, how does this sample app help me? It doesn't. I have to remove the JS, remove the CSS, remove the HTML. This is my ideal: One HTML file containing: That's it. Let me decide what JS file to add, what CSS file to add, etc.

Re: Wondering what folks think about the default project

2013-07-11 Thread Anis KADRI
What would be something better for developers ? Do you mean a better boilerplate app ? It used to be a sample app that uses all the APIs but people thought that was too complicated and didn't look good. Most of the time it was broken too because it didn't get updated with newer releases. On Thu,