Re: [NOTICE] New wiki (Was: Re: [DISCUSS] Switching wiki to Confluence)

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
I had planned to start slowly migrate the content from the old wiki, but it seems I cannot edit or create new pages in new one. Do I need to be added into some wiki group with write permissions? -- ,,,^..^,,, On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > We have a new wiki: > > https://cw

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
So this turned into more of a thing than I thought it'd be though I have at least gotten couch_index split out onto a branch I think. I need to do some diff's to make sure that its identical and then have Benoit read the history to make sure its all sane. My notes on the requisite git gymnastics ar

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > Cool. I'm gonna take a crack at getting all of the rcouch versions of > apps split out into their respective repositories to see how hard > it'll be to get things merged between the rcouch and bigcouch > versions. > > I'll push anything I make to

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Benoit Chesneau > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Paul Davis >wrote: > > > >> Why the rename if you don't want to rename modules and all that comes > >> with it? If you just rename the directory, couch

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
Cool. I'm gonna take a crack at getting all of the rcouch versions of apps split out into their respective repositories to see how hard it'll be to get things merged between the rcouch and bigcouch versions. I'll push anything I make to branches named import-rcouch and will paste the commands I us

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > >> Why the rename if you don't want to rename modules and all that comes >> with it? If you just rename the directory, couch.app.src, and >> couch.erl I'm not sure I see the benefit. >> > >

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > I am seeing that bigcouch is splitting everything in its own repo. I could > also do the same for rcouch quite easily. The question is how. > > I basically need the following repo: > > couch_collate > couch_mrview > couch_index > couch_repl

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > Why the rename if you don't want to rename modules and all that comes > with it? If you just rename the directory, couch.app.src, and > couch.erl I'm not sure I see the benefit. > saying it's the core.

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
Why the rename if you don't want to rename modules and all that comes with it? If you just rename the directory, couch.app.src, and couch.erl I'm not sure I see the benefit. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > >> > ok, make

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > > ok, make sense since i have also at some point moved it to src/couch (and > > will be renamed to couch_core soon in rcouch). > > Why are you wanting to rename couch to couch_core? Erlang standard is > to have "app/src/app_*.erl". Renaming every

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
> ok, make sense since i have also at some point moved it to src/couch (and > will be renamed to couch_core soon in rcouch). Why are you wanting to rename couch to couch_core? Erlang standard is to have "app/src/app_*.erl". Renaming everything to couch_core_*.erl would be a fairly massive change.

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > All of those repos already exist: > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?s=couchdb perfect > > > Some but not all of those I've done the initial legwork on extracting > source code from couch and/or rcouch. I have some time right now whil

Re: splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
All of those repos already exist: https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?s=couchdb Some but not all of those I've done the initial legwork on extracting source code from couch and/or rcouch. I have some time right now while I wait on other things to pull those at into new branches named somethin

splitting rcouch in multiple repo

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
I am seeing that bigcouch is splitting everything in its own repo. I could also do the same for rcouch quite easily. The question is how. I basically need the following repo: couch_collate couch_mrview couch_index couch_replicator couch_httpd couch_collate (and probably soon a couch_js) I think

Re: couch-index commit: updated refs/heads/import to 510599f

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > No. Why would it? > > It may mean that we'd have to duplicate some similar components in > couch_mrview but we can always factor out commonalities to a library > app. Having couch_index try and be everything for indexers was the > wrong approach.

[jira] [Commented] (COUCHDB-2049) latency in creation wit a quick deletion crash couch_index_server

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Joseph Davis (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2049?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13892153#comment-13892153 ] Paul Joseph Davis commented on COUCHDB-2049: We should add protection in cou

Re: couch-index commit: updated refs/heads/import to 510599f

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
No. Why would it? It may mean that we'd have to duplicate some similar components in couch_mrview but we can always factor out commonalities to a library app. Having couch_index try and be everything for indexers was the wrong approach. Its easy to need to do things slightly differently than couch

Re: couch-index commit: updated refs/heads/import to 510599f

2014-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
Its possible but given we've talked about removing the entire app I don't see much point in putting in that much work on it till we figure out what's going on there. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > hrm why not making it a behaviour instead? > > On Wednesday, February 5,

Re: couch-index commit: updated refs/heads/import to 510599f

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > Its possible but given we've talked about removing the entire app I > don't see much point in putting in that much work on it till we figure > out what's going on there. > mmm does merging mrview and couch_index need to remove all the possibili

Re: Experimenting as a way to decide WAS: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > An experiment should be well defined, should have an owner > (preferably), should have success/failure criteria, and should have an > end date. > > As long as we have these things, I don't see any harm in experimenting > to see what works. >

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Noah Slater
There's no real way to automate it. So it would have to be a manual process. If someone was willing to spend a bit of time each week to post all the most relevant info, I think that'd be great. I tried to do some roundups for a while, but they were taking up too much time. Some things to roundup:

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Andy Wenk
On 5 February 2014 13:06, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Garren Smith wrote: > > Would it be possible to have a summary email from commits sent to dev@. > So basically a daily digest of any activities. That then would keep dev@in > the loop without inundating the list

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Garren Smith wrote: > Would it be possible to have a summary email from commits sent to dev@. > So basically a daily digest of any activities. That then would keep dev@in > the loop without inundating the list. > That sounds good for me.Any idea how to handle t

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Garren Smith wrote: > Would it be possible to have a summary email from commits sent to dev@. So > basically a daily digest of any activities. That then would keep dev@ in the > loop without inundating the list. Nice idea. Btw, in python-dev@ they used weekly bug

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Garren Smith wrote: > Would it be possible to have a summary email from commits sent to dev@. > So basically a daily digest of any activities. That then would keep dev@in > the loop without inundating the list. > +1

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Garren Smith
Would it be possible to have a summary email from commits sent to dev@. So basically a daily digest of any activities. That then would keep dev@ in the loop without inundating the list. On 05 Feb 2014, at 1:58 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrot

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-05 Thread Noah Slater
On 5 February 2014 11:08, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > > I see you already decided to go on this ml with some others people, so > there is no reason to continue any discussion on that topic anyway Not sure if you just worded this poorly, or whether you misunderstand how decision making works. But in

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > @Dirkjan what would be the purpose of @dev at the end in this case? Have a place where people can keep track of high-level discussions without having to be inundated with notifications from machines. Cheers, Dirkjan

Re: Experimenting as a way to decide WAS: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Noah Slater
An experiment should be well defined, should have an owner (preferably), should have success/failure criteria, and should have an end date. As long as we have these things, I don't see any harm in experimenting to see what works. Communities (and other complex systems) are not like code. You cann

[jira] [Created] (COUCHDB-2049) latency in creation wit a quick deletion crash couch_index_server

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau (JIRA)
Benoit Chesneau created COUCHDB-2049: Summary: latency in creation wit a quick deletion crash couch_index_server Key: COUCHDB-2049 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2049 Project:

[jira] [Updated] (COUCHDB-2049) latency in creation wit a quick deletion crash couch_index_server

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2049?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Benoit Chesneau updated COUCHDB-2049: - Description: When you quickly start to refresh an index: {code:erlang} refresh(#db{nam

[jira] [Updated] (COUCHDB-2049) latency in creation wit a quick deletion crash couch_index_server

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2049?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Benoit Chesneau updated COUCHDB-2049: - Description: When you quickly start to refresh an index: {code} refresh(#db{name=DbNam

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Andy Wenk wrote: > On 5 February 2014 11:08, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go > > > ignored, we should can the list

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Adam Kocoloski wrote: > Tricky. I'm fine with trying it out, but I do wonder how many casual > followers of dev@ would miss the really interesting technical > conversations that sometime happen on code reviews and (especially) JIRA > tickets. Not an easy thing t

RE: Experimenting as a way to decide WAS: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Benoit Chesneau > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > >> > We wont know until we try. Perhaps that's why an

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-05 Thread Andy Wenk
On 5 February 2014 11:08, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > > I agree. > > > > If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go > > ignored, we should can the list. > > > > It's already some months since its creation without much

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Noah Slater wrote: >> > We wont know until we try. Perhaps that's why an experiment would be a >> > good idea? >> >> Experiments are fun (: and t

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > > We wont know until we try. Perhaps that's why an experiment would be a > > good idea? > > Experiments are fun (: and the only way to find the sweet spot or > ensure that it had been

Re: [NOTICE] Create marketing@ lis (Was: Re: Marketing suggestion)

2014-02-05 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > I agree. > > If erlang@ becomes the place where newbie questions about Erlang go > ignored, we should can the list. > It's already some months since its creation without much activity. > You requested examples: > > http://mail-archives.apac

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > We wont know until we try. Perhaps that's why an experiment would be a > good idea? Experiments are fun (: and the only way to find the sweet spot or ensure that it had been already found. > I still expect committers to subscribe to commits@.

Re: Git repositories: migration to couchdb-documentation

2014-02-05 Thread Noah Slater
Not sure it matters, to be honest, whether someone mistakes couchdb-docs for an Erlang module for handling JSON documents. This is the last email I will send on this, because bike shed painting is something of a vice for me. On 5 February 2014 10:39, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014

Re: [DISCUSS] Move more email to the commits list

2014-02-05 Thread Noah Slater
We wont know until we try. Perhaps that's why an experiment would be a good idea? I still expect committers to subscribe to commits@. But if a non-committer is interested (i.e. might've commented) they are free to subscribe too. And yes, I hear you about mail filters. But not everybody does use t

Re: Git repositories: migration to couchdb-documentation

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Andy Wenk wrote: > I hope I did not miss something, but is there a list somewhere which repos > do exist now? https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?s=couchdb -- ,,,^..^,,,

Re: Git repositories: migration to couchdb-documentation

2014-02-05 Thread Andy Wenk
I hope I did not miss something, but is there a list somewhere which repos do exist now? Thanks for help ! Cheers Andy On 5 February 2014 00:06, Alexander Shorin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > >>

Re: Marketing suggestion

2014-02-05 Thread Andy Wenk
On 5 February 2014 00:25, Noah Slater wrote: > You interested in joining the marketing team and helping out Benjamin? :) > > Add yourself to that wiki page! Woop! > +1 Go Go Go Benjamin :) -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! http://www.couchdb-buch.de http://www.pg-praxisbuch.de GPG finge

couchdb-documentation: workflow in multirepo era

2014-02-05 Thread Alexander Shorin
Hi devs! I just extracted all sphinx-docs bits from couchdb.git to couchdb-documentation.git and suddenly realized that I cannot just put new Makefile there and run `make html` because: 1) Docs are uses project's VSN info and some other information bits like project shortname (CouchDB) and fullna