On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> > 3) Who are the strong backers who maintain that there's still a place for
> > Flash and Flex and why are they right or wrong?
>
> Flex is investigating being independent of Flash and if successful, will
> hopefully pick up some new support
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Guthmann, Scott
wrote:
> Who can speak for Apache Flex?...
>From my experience in Apache projects, posting on a project's blog is
a good way to express the project's position, and if people are
interviewed they can refer to that.
If the PMC wants to make offi
I have heard good things about "Mate" for MVC. Has anyone used it?
Mate URL: http://mate.asfusion.com/
-Mark
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From: Nick Tsitlakidis [mailto:ni...@perfectedz.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 20:46
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [OT] The end of the SpiceFact
Hi,
> I have heard good things about "Mate" for MVC. Has anyone used it?
A few years ago on several projects - but a bit rusty now. I particularly
liked how it used declarative markup (MXML) for the event maps. If you needed
to order multiple server calls it made it very easy.
Justin
Hm sounds very interesting. Of love to know how this works
On Jan 16, 2013 3:06 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote:
> For those willing to use Java we have a solution on how to integrate the
> Maps JS with Flex.
> As a matter a fact we provide a 100% binding of the Google Maps API.
> I should be able
After laerning puremvc and robotlegs I got a mate project. At first I found
it frustrating, then I got used to it. Then I wondered why the views were
written so tightly that I couldn't shift the ui from the top to the left
side. I think its similar enough to robotlegs , but not so good at
preventin
Over the years I'm heard this from time to time, but I never understood the
prejudice. I personally like singletons because it keeps things nice and
simple. I don't like over-engineering things for no reason.
Care to explain what's wrong with singletons?
On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Avi Kessner
IMHO;
Singletons serve a purpose just like every other design pattern.
Having developed/architected quite large frameworks in my day,
Singletons are evil in the context of a framework. You will soon see
when you start unit testing how evil they are. (IE I put one in
FalconJx temporarily t
Well, I've never done unit testing, so maybe that explains why I don't "get it"…
On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> IMHO;
>
> Singletons serve a purpose just like every other design pattern. Having
> developed/architected quite large frameworks in my day, Singletons are evil
In case of Module wich are load and unload, Singleton can be a huge problem
for memory leaks
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Harbs wrote:
> Well, I've never done unit testing, so maybe that explains why I don't
> "get it"…
>
> On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
> > IMHO;
>
Singletons can get confusing once your application is separated into
functional modules,
sometimes you may want to have a 'singleton', but only within the scope of
a functional module.
If you don't use some kind of dependency injection container that takes
care of this scoping
things can become qui
>Care to explain what's wrong with singletons?
As others have mentioned, true singletons preclude unit testing IMO. A true
unit test relies on the fact that one test does not affect another. If one test
creates any global states, including a singleton, then it necessarily alters
the starting st
>I'll very probably be arguing with Michael Schmalle about a lot of compiler
>things.
>I will openly seek out Michael Labriola for disgusting public displays of
>affection.
I am only sad that Michael Schmalle gets the technical discussions and I get
what passes for 'affection'
Hi,
I've been playing with FalconJx a bit and I have convinced it to
compile an entire AS project into JS for me... but only when I run it
in Eclipse (run configuration with arguments, for details see my last
commit). What do I need to do to get this to work from the command
line (Terminal, actual
On 16 January 2013 15:45, Michael A. Labriola
wrote:
> >I'll very probably be arguing with Michael Schmalle about a lot of
> compiler things.
> >I will openly seek out Michael Labriola for disgusting public displays of
> affection.
>
> I am only sad that Michael Schmalle gets the technical discuss
On 16 January 2013 15:45, Michael A. Labriola
wrote:
> >I'll very probably be arguing with Michael Schmalle about a lot of
> compiler things.
> >I will openly seek out Michael Labriola for disgusting public displays of
> affection.
>
> I am only sad that Michael Schmalle gets the technical discuss
Erik,
I glanced at you update to the compiler class. My question is, what is
"not" working when you try and run it on the command line?
Basically, you need a jar to execute and call it with the same
arguments you use in the Eclipse run config.
Have you created a jar for the compiler?
Mik
Welcome Roland,
I thought there were more brews than ills in Belgium ! :)
-Fred
-Original Message-
From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:06 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Welcome Roland Zwaga as a new committer!
All,
Let's all join in w
There you go... create a 'jar'. Google, here I come!
EdB
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
> Erik,
>
> I glanced at you update to the compiler class. My question is, what is "not"
> working when you try and run it on the command line?
>
> Basically, you need a jar to exe
Beers*
-Original Message-
From: Frédéric THOMAS [mailto:webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:09 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: RE: Welcome Roland Zwaga as a new committer!
Welcome Roland,
I thought there were more brews than ills in Belgium ! :)
-Fred
On 16 January 2013 16:08, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:
> Welcome Roland,
>
> I thought there were more brews than ills in Belgium ! :)
>
> -Fred
>
Indeed, plenty of brews around, which you need desperately if you're
surrounded with Belgians all day :)
I think whatever your situation is with Belgium, I thought you were
just happy that your parents named you after an awesome Japanese music
company! ;-)
Quoting Roland Zwaga :
On 16 January 2013 16:08, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:
Welcome Roland,
I thought there were more brews than ills in B
The Dutch wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment (but insist on
being first in line when the Trappists start selling their liquid gold
;-))
EdB
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Roland Zwaga wrote:
> On 16 January 2013 16:08, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:
>
>> Welcome Roland,
>>
>> I thought there
It's great to be a Belgian! *Opens a bottle of Duvel*
Let me beer the first Belgian to welcome Roland as a new committer! :-)
Fréderic Cox
On 16/01/13 16:14, "Erik de Bruin" wrote:
>The Dutch wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment (but insist on
>being first in line when the Trappists star
lol Fréderic, I'll be the second - welcome Roland!
- Peter
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Fréderic Cox wrote:
> It's great to be a Belgian! *Opens a bottle of Duvel*
> Let me beer the first Belgian to welcome Roland as a new committer! :-)
>
> Fréderic Cox
>
>
>
>
> On 16/01/13 16:14, "Erik
Welcome on board, Roland!
Cheers,
Chema
2013/1/16 Peter Elst
> lol Fréderic, I'll be the second - welcome Roland!
>
> - Peter
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Fréderic Cox
> wrote:
>
> > It's great to be a Belgian! *Opens a bottle of Duvel*
> > Let me beer the first Belgian to welcome Ro
Thanks Peter, but I'm fairly certain you fled your home country :) So you
must be hiding some sort of resentment :)
@Fréderic, while I generally enjoy all Belgian beers, Duvel is one of the
few ones that I never could develop a proper taste for...
On 16 January 2013 16:24, Peter Elst wrote:
> l
Hello gentlemen,
I guess we'll have to find some way to monitor the Adobe bugbase for ASC
2.0 since Adobe has indicated that they will
not donate any patches for ASC 2.0 to Apache.
For instance, I'm sure this issue needs to be fixed in Falcon as well:
https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bu
Maxime Cowez created FLEX-33352:
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Summary: defaults.css from custom theme is no longer automatically
sourced
Key: FLEX-33352
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33352
Project: Apache Flex
Nope, creating a 'jar' (with a proper manifest and all) didn't do any good.
The problem seems to be the dependencies on the 'compiler' project. If
I run MXMLJSC.class on the command line and feed it the following
three class paths (pseudo paths):
"falcon-compiler/generated/classes", "closure-compi
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Carol Frampton commented on FLEX-33351:
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The correct style name is embedAsCFF not em
>Hello gentlemen,
(p.s. you brute there are women here too)
>I guess we'll have to find some way to monitor the Adobe bugbase for ASC
>2.0 since Adobe has indicated that they will not donate any patches for ASC
>2.0 to Apache.
>For instance, I'm sure this issue needs to be fixed in Falcon as wel
On 1/15/13 11 :29PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote:
>HI,
>
>> The other script doesn't appear to download anything.
>/ide/frameworks/makeApacheFlexforFlashBuilder.sh uses curl to download
>several things including the 11.1 playergolobal.swc.
makeApacheFlexforFlashBuilder.sh and .bat prompt for some of
On 16 January 2013 16:51, Michael A. Labriola
wrote:
> >Hello gentlemen,
> (p.s. you brute there are women here too)
>
Damn, for once you're right. Next time I'll open with 'Hello ladies,
gentlemen and Mike'.
My apologies to all the women on the list, apparently I am a closeted
sexist without rea
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gkk commented on FLEX-33351:
Thanks Carol, both embed-as-cff and embedAsCFF produce the same r
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Carol Frampton commented on FLEX-33351:
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I'm not surprised since I'm guessing embedA
>I guess that's a way to do it, but we'd also run the risk of releasing the
>wrath of Adobe. Now, I know that you and me personally wouldn't lose much
>sleep over this, but we do have to >consider Apache Flex as a neutral entity
>in all of this. Right?
I say we ask forgiveness and not permissi
I don't really know what to say.
I have said this before but creating build scripts and all the really
lowlevel things to get stuff to run is a bit out of my zone.
Maybe someone else on the list that has experience with this could
offer advice. It's obvious that it's just a mater of getting
congrats and welcome!
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Roland Zwaga wrote:
> Thanks Peter, but I'm fairly certain you fled your home country :) So you
> must be hiding some sort of resentment :)
>
> @Fréderic, while I generally enjoy all Belgian beers, Duvel is one of the
> few ones that I never
> Scott's query:
> .And there's the rub. Who can speak for Apache Flex?
>
> Alex Harui's answer & proposal:
> I looked around and couldn't find a definitive set of rules for "who can
> speak for Apache Flex". I would like to see any community member who is
> interested do any interview. I s
After laerning puremvc and robotlegs I got a mate project. At first I found
it frustrating, then I got used to it. Then I wondered why the views were
written so tightly that I couldn't shift the ui from the top to the left
On Jan 16, 2013 12:59 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I have heard
Not only do singleton's make it hard to test but they also make it harder
to get people to write testable code.
As for static functions, I like to think of them as baby steps towards
writing functional language code and a nice fence around making sure your
functions have no side affects.
On Jan 16
Congrats!
-Original Message-
From: JP Bader [mailto:j...@zavteq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:07
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Welcome Roland Zwaga as a new committer!
congrats and welcome!
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Roland Zwaga wrote:
> Thanks Peter, but I'm
>As for static functions, I like to think of them as baby steps towards writing
>functional language code and a nice fence around making sure your functions
>have no side affects.
Except they can have side effects and prevent the isolation of any code using
such a function during testing.
Mike
Wow, so much arrogance and ignorance in one single post.
Am 15.01.2013 19:57, schrieb David Coleman:
> Having used (and DESPISED) Parsley, I can say with pleasure "Good Riddance".
> For me it was overkill and added little to no value to the quality of the
> code. All the ppl I know who used P
Non constant static vars would be the code smell then, no?
On Jan 16, 2013 9:01 PM, "Michael A. Labriola"
wrote:
> >As for static functions, I like to think of them as baby steps towards
> writing functional language code and a nice fence around making sure your
> functions have no side affects.
Got it to work using a modified copy of the build and run stuff in
compiler.js (thanks, Alex). Need to clean up a bit but I will check in
later tonight.
With a build script and all, Mike, don't you think we're about ready
to join the big boys in the 'falcon' location in SVN, instead of
keeping wor
>Non constant static vars would be the code smell then, no?
If they are being used for any type of states, yes. If they aren't, then I
would need to wonder why they are constants. It's difficult to get complete
code isolation, and static vars are a good example of where people tend to
simply us
> Adobe has indicated that they will not donate any patches for ASC 2.0 to
> Apache
I don't remember anyone from Adobe saying that. Is there a particular email
that you're referring to?
I think either Alex or I can bring over bug fixes, but I'm focused on MXML at
the moment.
- Gordon
-
>I don't remember anyone from Adobe saying that. Is there a particular email
>that you're referring to?
See below:
On 10/17/12 11:04 PM, "Clint Modien" wrote:
>This obviously begs the questionŠ does Adobe plan on donating any changes to
>ASC 2.0 back to Apache Flex?
---
>Hi Clint,
>
>No, w
>I don't remember anyone from Adobe saying that. Is there a particular email
>that you're referring to?
Also, for good measure:
---
"We have no plans keeping ASC 2.0 (and above) in sync with Falcon, as I said
previously, today the compilers are different projects and targeting two
different a
On 1/16/13 11:13 AM, "Michael A. Labriola"
wrote:
>> I don't remember anyone from Adobe saying that. Is there a particular email
>> that you're referring to?
>
> See below:
>
> On 10/17/12 11:04 PM, "Clint Modien" wrote:
>
>> This obviously begs the questionŠ does Adobe plan on donating an
Thanks. There may be a distinction between
(1) bug fixes that were made between the time when new compiler was branched
for Apache and when ASC 2.0 shipped
(2) bug fixes made after ASC 2.0 shipped
My understanding is that at least the bug fixes in (1) were to be donated
eventually. I'll try to
>But the logistical question is: Should we automatically bring over every
>change for every bug? Or just selected bugs?
>I would strongly prefer that we don't automatically copy the ASC 2.0 bug base
>over to Apache Flex, especially by scraping.
Just to clarify, I didn't suggest that. I sugge
On 1/16/13 11:24 AM, "Michael A. Labriola"
wrote:
>> But the logistical question is: Should we automatically bring over every
>> change for every bug? Or just selected bugs?
>> I would strongly prefer that we don't automatically copy the ASC 2.0 bug base
>> over to Apache Flex, especially by
I guess I'll have to learn good unit testing practices one day.
Any good resources on the topic?
On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Avi Kessner wrote:
> Not only do singleton's make it hard to test but they also make it harder
> to get people to write testable code.
>
> As for static functions, I lik
FWIW, I don't mind doing an interview. There might be better candidates though…
On Jan 16, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Guthmann, Scott wrote:
>> Scott's query:
>> .And there's the rub. Who can speak for Apache Flex?
>>
>> Alex Harui's answer & proposal:
>> I looked around and couldn't find a definitiv
I really don't care where it is, svn is svn.
Note; I am not an svn guru, so to migrate the source code with history
to the falcon directory I am in no position to do.
Do you know how?
I added some info to the ToDo on the wiki, are you watching those pages?
I plan on doing about 2 hours a da
Is there an ETA for the new website going live?
I'm writing a blog post, and I'd like to include some links. I think I'll hold
off on publishing the post until the website is live…
Harbs
On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> Looks like I broke the chtml processing when I pu
As the subject suggests.
Erik and I have pretty much got the FalconJx cross-compiler
working/command line with about 500+ unit tests for language emitting
and we are wondering how to we move those two projects compiler.js and
compiler.jx.tests into the falcon directory from the mschmalle
Cleancoders and 'uncle Bob martins' fanbase
Also do searches for 'katas' , 'TDD' , 'Kent' and 'smalltalk' that should
send you into all the right circles.
On Jan 16, 2013 9:38 PM, "Harbs" wrote:
> I guess I'll have to learn good unit testing practices one day.
>
> Any good resources on the top
Oh and software craftsmanship
On Jan 16, 2013 10:04 PM, "Avi Kessner" wrote:
> Cleancoders and 'uncle Bob martins' fanbase
>
> Also do searches for 'katas' , 'TDD' , 'Kent' and 'smalltalk' that
> should send you into all the right circles.
> On Jan 16, 2013 9:38 PM, "Harbs" wrote:
>
>> I guess
Reporting bugs against ASC 2.0 is currently less than ideal. Customers use
bugbase.adobe.com but have to report the bug against the AIR ASK, noting that
it is a compiler bug. Specifically, they should set "Product: Adobe AIR",
"Version: 3.x", "Product Area: AIR SDK" and include a the note in the
OK. Do you know if you or I can get notifications of new bugs filed? I
didn't see any way to sign up on the bugbase site.
On 1/16/13 12:40 PM, "Gordon Smith" wrote:
> Reporting bugs against ASC 2.0 is currently less than ideal. Customers use
> bugbase.adobe.com but have to report the bug agai
svn rename
On 1/16/13 3 :01PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
>As the subject suggests.
>
>Erik and I have pretty much got the FalconJx cross-compiler
>working/command line with about 500+ unit tests for language emitting
>and we are wondering how to we move those two projects compiler.js and
>compil
Is there any way to do this with tortoise svn? Or do you have to use
the command line?
Mike
Quoting Carol Frampton :
svn rename
On 1/16/13 3 :01PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
As the subject suggests.
Erik and I have pretty much got the FalconJx cross-compiler
working/command line with ab
Mike,
I am not an SVN guru, but I believe it also matters whether you want to move
or copy. I think svn rename will do a move. You can also just branch your
code into the new folder structure.
On 1/16/13 12:56 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
> Is there any way to do this with tortoise svn? Or
>From this link [1]
1. select the files or directories you want to move
2. right drag them to the new location inside the working copy
3. release the right mouse button
4. in the popup menu select Context Menu → SVN Move versioned files here
5. commit parent folder before changing
Alex,
I don't want to overstep my bounds on this, do we need a vote to move
this out of my whiteboard?
It seems like that is the democratic thing to do, and the Apache way.
Just moving it into a main source tree seems like a violation sort of.
Mike
Quoting Alex Harui :
Mike,
I am not
Commit is CTR (commit then review). Someone can veto it later, but you've
given fair warning and there haven't been any objections. If you want to go
ice fishing and wait a day that's fine, but IMO, you don't have to.
On 1/16/13 1:05 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
> Alex,
>
> I don't want to
Hi,
Well I managed to move the compiler.jx and compiler.jx.tests project
into the trunk of falcon so we have a new javascript cross compiler
that is "as" functional as FalconJS is.
I still need to now look at Alex's MXML to port that into the compiler.
Erik, I just noticed there are 2 jar
Erik,
Scratch what I said about the jars, my svn was playing tricks on my
eyes. I just looked on the server and there is no lib folder in either
of the projects.
Sorry about that mix up, you committed right when I was moving them. :)
Mike
Quoting Michael Schmalle :
Hi,
Well I managed
> Erik, I just noticed there are 2 jars that got moved, the closure compiler
> jar and another one from the lib directory. Did you accidentally commit
> those? We have to delete those out of the repo quick.
Don't see them, and I think I'm being careful enough after all my
mistakes with SVN lately.
No harm done, all is well and as midnight approaches, I'm signing off
for today ;-)
EdB
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
> Erik,
>
> Scratch what I said about the jars, my svn was playing tricks on my eyes. I
> just looked on the server and there is no lib folder in eit
You and I can get them as Adobe employees because bugbase.adobe.com is a front
end to an internal Adobe bugbase that supports notifications, but the public
front end unfortunately doesn't appear to support notifications.
- Gordon
-Original Message-
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe
>I consider this a large victory for Apache Flex, that proves it doesn't take
>an enterprise to get things done, this was just 2 developers over the span of
>a month or so. I spent 3 months >studying the Falcon code though and have over
>2 years with parsers and AST but still...
You two rock.
> FWIW, I don't mind doing an interview. There might be better candidates
> though.
> 1) Hans-Joachim Baader, CEO/Editor, Pro-Linux.de, Poppelfeld 9,
> D-76646 Bruchsal, Geschäftsführer/Herausgeber, Fon +49 07257-930142 *
> Mobil 0170-6500228, e-mail h...@pro-linux.de This is the article he
>
To cross-compile AS3, I don't see why you'd need to understand the AS3 parser,
but you do have to understand the AS3 AST. Did you find the design of the AST
to be confusing or under-documented? I thought there was sufficient
documentation on the IASNode interfaces to make the purpose of each kin
Gordon,
I didn't say I needed to understand the parser, I needed to understand
the whole framework. The reason the project is where it is, your
awesome documentation and not having to spend a half of a year
figuring out the tree.
My comment about AST was just that, I have had a lot of peo
Work is in progress to release it soon.
Here is a life demo :
http://flex4j.appspot.com/#misc.maps.GoogleMaps
Flex4j is build on top of Flash4j(http://emitrom.com/flash4j) which itself
is built on top of the Google Web Toolkit.
Because we leverage GWT it s pretty easy to integrate any JS based l
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