Re: Flex PMD donation

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, >> Regarding the release ... I would be willing to step up as Release Manager >> for FlexUnit, BlazeDS, Mavenizer and as soon as it's ready FlexPMD. I'd try one at a time :-) >> My new Employer grants me one working day per week Nice - more employers should allow that. Thanks, Justin

Re: Flex PMD donation

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
> Regarding the release ... I would be willing to step up as Release Manager > for FlexUnit, BlazeDS, Mavenizer and as soon as it's ready FlexPMD. My new > Employer grants me one working day per week for stuff like this and I would > be glad to do so. > > This is awesome news, Chris! Thanks, Om

AW: Flex PMD donation

2014-08-26 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi Alex, well I wrote such a step-by-step tutorial .. it should be in our Wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Apache+Flex+SDK+Mavenizer But seems you have successfully mavenized Flex. The problem is that I haven't released Flexmojos 7.1 yet so you need to add the sonatype sna

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Keep in mind that we may not be able to do this for 3rd party component > developers. Because we want to hotlink to their examples and code > directly, we may not be able to 'build' a release from our side. > > I propose that we create a new thirdparty.xml and allow direct editing of > the

Re: OSMF bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Don't really care if it's part of our project or not, but as it's an optional part of installing the SDK it would be good to have it at Apache. Justin

Re: OSMF bugs

2014-08-26 Thread aYo ~
Oh I definitely think it's something to have aYo www.ayobinitie.com mrbinitie.blogspot.com On Aug 27, 2014 5:01 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > Don't know anything about OSMF. Would we want it, or would it be a > separate Apache project. Seems like it has its own community already? > > I'll try to f

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/26/14 7:56 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > >This is also one other subtle issue I've just released. If we don't use >the standard release process, then as per CTR -1 counts as a veto >effectually blocking a release. Do we want to do there? Well, it blocks that commit, just like a -1 blocks an

Re: OSMF bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Don't know anything about OSMF. Would we want it, or would it be a separate Apache project. Seems like it has its own community already? I'll try to figure out who is in charge at Adobe. -Alex On 8/26/14 7:42 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >I notice that recent bugs in Adobe bug base on O

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > Unless I get some support from others, we'll be doing it the way you want. OK, thanks. This is also one other subtle issue I've just released. If we don't use the standard release process, then as per CTR -1 counts as a veto effectually blocking a release. Do we want to do there? Thanks

OSMF bugs

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I notice that recent bugs in Adobe bug base on OSMF have been closed with "NotEnoughTime" as the reason. Does any one know if Adobe has considered donating the framework to Apache and f not could we make that happen? Thanks, Justin

Re: Flex PMD donation

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I updated the structure to be more intuitive. Updated to Flexmojos > 7.1.0-SNAPSHOT, Apache Flex 4.13.0, Apache FlexUnit 4.2, ... Thanks - hopefully we can get it working. > It was quite a lot of work and a big number of Tests will definitely fail, I've fixed a few of those and will check

Re: Agreeing to Disagree (was: Re: The Flex PMC isŠ)

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > The rest of the PMC seems to agree with me that Justin has had ample time to > make his > case, and we are not convinced, and therefore it is time to end the > discussion, agree to disagree, and move on. Given people don't know the context or have access to that list I think it only fair

Re: [Off Topic] Actionscipt and tiobe index

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I think it means it drops a few ranks, the fluctuation is expectable though. A few months back it wasn't in the top 20 and hadn't been for some time. Thanks, Justin

Re: [Off Topic] Actionscipt and tiobe index

2014-08-26 Thread Stephane Beladaci
I think it means it drops a few ranks, the fluctuation is expectable though. On Aug 25, 2014 11:04 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: > Hi, > > Just noticed ActionScript has climbed a few more spots in the Tiobe index > and is now at 17. [1] Was was actually 14 in June! Here's the graph [2]. I > certain

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/26/14 4:34 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> Agreed, TDF might attract a new pool of developers. We are just >> disagreeing on what the best way of attracting them is. I think trying >>to >> attracting them by asking them to do manual testing is not as attractive >> as asking them to

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Agreed, TDF might attract a new pool of developers. We are just > disagreeing on what the best way of attracting them is. I think trying to > attracting them by asking them to do manual testing is not as attractive > as asking them to provide TDF fixes. 1. So manually testing is: - compil

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I know it seems clear to you, but other incubator folks disagree with you. Two people suggesting you could possibly release it as snapshop is not exactly the same thing as disagreeing with me. > If the explorer.xml was not compiled in, flexicious's examples would be > hooked up by now. T

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/26/14 4:04 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >No, you can't announce / promote nightly build/snapshots [1]. >" Do not include any links on the project website that might encourage >non-developers to download and use nightly builds, snapshots, release >candidates, or any other similar package." >

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I think it would have been much more rewarding > to the person offering the 3rd party links if we could have hooked him up > yesterday. I'm not sure that they are currently in a form that can be used in the application and we would need to change the application to make it clear in the a

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 8/26/14 3:31 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: > > >On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > >>I don't believe my proposal is the "wrong way", just another alternative. > >> > > > >I think your way would lead to confusio

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I would say the line is when we compile a swf with the code in the repo, we > need to make an official release. +1 to that. > If we are hot linking, i.e. we don't have the source for an example, we > don't need to go through the release > process. Same way as the Installer. +1 Seems reas

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I'm not sure extra process invites community building. It already has, we've had people report issues during the RC process. >> - PMC endorsement > What are the benefits of that. Are you claiming more people will use it > if endorsed? I would say more people would use an official voted o

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/26/14 3:31 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > >>I don't believe my proposal is the "wrong way", just another alternative. >> > >I think your way would lead to confusion. Let's try to avoid that. What kind of confusion? >> In fact, we a

Re: Agreeing to Disagree (was: Re: The Flex PMC isŠ)

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Martin
Alex, Thanks for the info on email subjects. Will also keep that in mind (I too replied to the original thread). Just wanted to drop a note here letting ya know I caught this one too :) Chris On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > Hi Mihai, > > I didn't want our lack of respon

Re: The Flex PMC is broken

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Martin
I was not sure how I'd give feedback on this, but I'd have to say Mihai hit the nail on the head for how I felt too reading these emails. After reading his email some thoughts came to mind which probably also parrot a little of what Alex said. This project is a labor of love. We all are here bec

AW: Flex PMD donation

2014-08-26 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi Guys, ok so I just committed the refactored FlexPMD project (develop branch). I updated the structure to be more intuitive. Updated to Flexmojos 7.1.0-SNAPSHOT, Apache Flex 4.13.0, Apache FlexUnit 4.2, ... It was quite a lot of work and a big number of Tests will definitely fail, cause the

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 8/26/14 2:54 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: > > >+1 to Justin's proposal. It makes sense to do things the right way and to > >encourage new folks to become Release Managers as the overhead is very low > >for TourDeFlex project. > I d

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
As a side note, it will make your in-line responses more readable if you leave an extra line of space between the quote and the response. Thanks, Om On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Sorry in advance for the point-for-point rebuttal, but I couldn't resist... > > On 8/26/14 2

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/26/14 2:54 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >+1 to Justin's proposal. It makes sense to do things the right way and to >encourage new folks to become Release Managers as the overhead is very low >for TourDeFlex project. I don't believe my proposal is the "wrong way", just another alternat

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Sorry in advance for the point-for-point rebuttal, but I couldn't resist... On 8/26/14 2:46 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >>I don't see any reason to add process where process is not required >It's about community building. I'm not sure extra process invites community building. > >> we can save tim

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > In my experience / opinion; It is quite common for corporate contracts with > non-legally-enforcable clauses. They certainly sometimes try - even here in Australia. Our employment laws however makes it quite clear some types of these clauses are not actually enforceable, in the case of n

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > My understanding is that when contractors work for a client, the client > generally owns the code. Depends on what part of the world you are in and the contract you have signed with your employer or client. It's very different in the US to the rest or the world. With most of my contacts

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
+1 to Justin's proposal. It makes sense to do things the right way and to encourage new folks to become Release Managers as the overhead is very low for TourDeFlex project. Only problem is the required wait time of 72 hours for an RC to be promoted to production. Can we skip the 72 hours if we g

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > They said we could label the website version as a "development version" or > "snapshot" (like Maven) does. I'm really not sure we want to do that (see below). > I don't see any reason to add process where process is not required It's about community building. > we can save time by not hav

Re: [1/2] git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - FLEX-34476 Added RichTextEditor

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
HI, > Just happened to notice that ColorPicker's button appears to have been > changed in a way that wouldn't be backward-compatible. Changing the min width and height by 3 pixels is hardly a huge compatibility breaker. Plus it's one of the experimental spark components. Justin

RE: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> My understanding is that a contractor "must" have the option of doing > non-client work. If that's true, if you found an SDK bug while working for a > client, would you "stop the clock", fix the bug, then "start the clock" > again? That way the fix would be owned by you. If the fix is owned

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 8/26/2014 3:56 PM, Nick Collins wrote: In many states ( California may be one of the exceptions ) those kinds of clauses are completely unenforceable if the "invention" is developed on your own time and only on your own equipment. If you are using company resources, then it definitely murkie

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Nick Collins
In many states ( California may be one of the exceptions ) those kinds of clauses are completely unenforceable if the "invention" is developed on your own time and only on your own equipment. If you are using company resources, then it definitely murkies the waters, but so long as you steer clear o

Re: Flex 4 Plag In

2014-08-26 Thread Nick Collins
I've tried calling him at the element river phone number, emailing him, and contacting him on LinkedIn before, just to find out what his plans were for SourceMate, and have yet to ever receive a response. That's why I thought if someone on this list knew him personally they may get more traction.

Re: Flex 4 Plag In

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Nick Collins wrote: > Along those lines, I wonder if anybody here knows Chris Gross and might be > able to convince him to donate SourceMate (since it hasn't been updated in > a few years) so that we could integrate it into the Flash Builder plugin. > > I believe

Re: Flex 4 Plag In

2014-08-26 Thread Nick Collins
Along those lines, I wonder if anybody here knows Chris Gross and might be able to convince him to donate SourceMate (since it hasn't been updated in a few years) so that we could integrate it into the Flash Builder plugin. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Patel Amit wrote: > Hello, > > Is ther

Re: Order on download menu on website

2014-08-26 Thread Erik de Bruin
Makes sense. Less is more! EdB On Tuesday, August 26, 2014, Mihai Chira wrote: > Additionally, could we remove the prefix "Download the"? It feels > self-evident, since all the menu items are under the "Download Flex" > parent item. > > On 26 August 2014 17:53, Mihai Chira > > wrote: > > +1 >

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 8/26/2014 1:00 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Thanks Jeffry, One followup question: My understanding is that a contractor "must" have the option of doing non-client work. As lubricious as it sounds; a lot of contracts I am provided by employers [bu default] they own everything I do regardless of wh

Re: Order on download menu on website

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
No objection from me. I usually let something like this sit for 24-48 hours to give a chance for folks in different time zones to respond, then do it. So feel free to make the changes in a day or two. -Alex On 8/26/14 9:55 AM, "Mihai Chira" wrote: >Additionally, could we remove the prefix "Do

Agreeing to Disagree (was: Re: The Flex PMC isŠ)

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Mihai, I didn't want our lack of response to imply to you that, as a new committer, your thoughts are not welcome. They are, and I suspect most of us do not have any disagreement with the basic principles of your message. First, I want to share some information I've learned about Apache. Thi

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Thanks Jeffry, One followup question: My understanding is that a contractor "must" have the option of doing non-client work. If that's true, if you found an SDK bug while working for a client, would you "stop the clock", fix the bug, then "start the clock" again? That way the fix would be owned

Re: FlexUnit Training on website and Flash Builder 4.7

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Martin
Does anyone have an idea of which Flex SDK was used for the examples? Chris On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Martin wrote: > Thanks Michael, will do! :D > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mihai Chira > wrote: > >> +1 >> On 23 Aug 2014 04:54, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >> > +1 >> > >>

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Hi Mihai, If you have a "manager", that implies that you are an employee. The terms and conditions of your employment, and the manager's authority level in the company, factor into whether your contributions are sufficiently permitted. You may need to go up your management chain and get them to

Re: Order on download menu on website

2014-08-26 Thread Mihai Chira
Additionally, could we remove the prefix "Download the"? It feels self-evident, since all the menu items are under the "Download Flex" parent item. On 26 August 2014 17:53, Mihai Chira wrote: > +1 > > On 26 August 2014 17:51, Chris Martin wrote: >> +1 >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM, J

Re: Order on download menu on website

2014-08-26 Thread Mihai Chira
+1 On 26 August 2014 17:51, Chris Martin wrote: > +1 > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> > +1. Didn't realize folks went after the binaries and source page that >> > often. >> Me either was quite surprised - probably means estimates of number of >> inst

Re: Order on download menu on website

2014-08-26 Thread Chris Martin
+1 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > +1. Didn't realize folks went after the binaries and source page that > > often. > Me either was quite surprised - probably means estimates of number of > installs is a lot lower than the actually number. Perhaps people have

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Mihai Chira
I got my manager to explicitly consent to automatic donations to Apache when we need to fix things in the SDK. I'm not sure this (i.e. an email) is enough from a legal standpoint. On 26 August 2014 17:13, Alex Harui wrote: > A question came up off-list that made me wonderŠ > > I've been an employ

Re: [OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Jeffry Houser
I am not a lawyer, but that said.. On 8/26/2014 12:13 PM, Alex Harui wrote: My understanding is that when contractors work for a client, the client generally owns the code. It depends on the contract, really. But, in my world it is very uncommon for the client not to claim ownership of ever

[OT] Who owns the code?

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
A question came up off-list that made me wonderŠ I've been an employee pretty much my whole career. Right now I work for Adobe and everything line of code I write is owned by Adobe, even at home after hours, even on my own computer, unless I cut a special deal. Fortunately, I have their blanket p

Re: [1/2] git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - FLEX-34476 Added RichTextEditor

2014-08-26 Thread Tom Chiverton
I see it's in experimental, we don't care if the usage changes. Tom On 26/08/14 16:59, Alex Harui wrote: > Just happened to notice that ColorPicker's button appears to have been > changed in a way that wouldn't be backward-compatible. Do we care? After > all, it is still experimental. > > On 8/

Re: [1/2] git commit: [flex-sdk] [refs/heads/develop] - FLEX-34476 Added RichTextEditor

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Just happened to notice that ColorPicker's button appears to have been changed in a way that wouldn't be backward-compatible. Do we care? After all, it is still experimental. On 8/26/14 6:17 AM, "jmcl...@apache.org" wrote: >Repository: flex-sdk >Updated Branches: > refs/heads/develop 827297fc

Re: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
I was hoping you'd forward my reply so I don't have to write it again. Here it is again: So far, the two other folks on the incubator who replied to my question there have not supported your position. They said we could label the website version as a "development version" or "snapshot" (like Mave

Re: Adding Tour De Flex to the web site

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
It worked. It could have been your cache, but Infra also has been fighting a web server problem where the server doesn't see new pages right away so it could be that as well. -Alex On 8/26/14 12:32 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Justin Mclean >wrote: > >>

Re: [FlexJS] BarChartExample not compiling

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Make sure your FlashBuilder set up is on a recent FlexJS install. The Google Closure Library and Compiler versions changed and generate different code. On 8/26/14 7:35 AM, "Peter Ent" wrote: >There seems to be two problems. The first is easily solvable: the >build_example.xml has the HTML wrapp

Re: [FlexJS] BarChartExample not compiling

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Ent
There seems to be two problems. The first is easily solvable: the build_example.xml has the HTML wrapper size restricted and it could be changed to 100% x 100%. The second problem seems more insidious. The SWF just seems blank and I have to investigate that further. The JS output that is being cre

Re: [FlexJS] BarChartExample not compiling

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Ent
I pushed changes to BarChartExample that reflect the latest changes to the SDK. I found one problem which I will look into today: the index.html file that is generated during the ANT build differs from the index.html generated by Flash Builder. This difference, which is the coded dimensions of the

Re: [FlexJS] BarChartExample not compiling

2014-08-26 Thread Peter Ent
Oops. I made a bunch of changes to the chart package. I will update the example soon. Peter Ent Adobe Systems > On Aug 26, 2014, at 1:48 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" > wrote: > > I am getting this error: > > build_example.compile: > [echo] Compiling BarChartExample.swf > [echo] FLEX

Re: Flash builder 4.7 plug in link ?

2014-08-26 Thread Tom Chiverton
You mean this : http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/flash-builder.html ? Tom On 25/08/14 15:11, Patel Amit wrote: > Hi, > > Could some share the link for the flash builder 4.7 plugin for the Java > eclipse.? > > Amit > > > __ > This

Fwd: Reason for the release process

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Forwarding to dev@ at Om and Alex's request (with a couple of very minor edits). Please feel free to comment. Justin > From: Justin Mclean > Subject: Reason for the release process > Date: 26 August 2014 12:07:29 pm AEST > To: priv...@flex.apache.org > > Hi, > > This is come upon the dev

Re: Adding Tour De Flex to the web site

2014-08-26 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Published but didn't seem to work - anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Justin > I do see it here: http://flex.apache.org/download-tourdeflex.html Maybe you need to clear your cache and try again? Thanks, Om

Re: Adding Tour De Flex to the web site

2014-08-26 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Published but didn't seem to work - anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Justin

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache FlexJS 0.0.2 and Apache Flex FalconJX 0.0.2 Released

2014-08-26 Thread Alex Harui
Unfortunately, Flash Builder 4.6 is not supported. You will need to use Flash Builder 4.7, or FDT or possibly IntelliJ. On 8/25/14 11:23 PM, "Patel Amit" wrote: >we have any demo how to configure the FlexJs or FalconJs into the adobe >flash builder 4.6 ? >or any other steps ,blogs related to th