Hi,
Just wanted to make sure you guys are aware of http://falcon.apache.org/
I think you have a module named "Falcon", so it's good to be aware of
the possible confusion in your communications.
-Bertrand
Hi Alex,
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...Yep, and we have a library called Spark. I mentioned this in the June
> 2013 board report and no board member ever posted on our lists that we
> needed to do something about it
I'm not saying you need to do anything, just want
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> ...Guys - please. If there is a legitimate question about a given file's
> provenance then please do make that query in private or in public...
And I'd add, when fixing such things make sure to briefly document
what's done in jira, with revis
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...I did tell the list: "I'm having an issue with the 'installer.xml', where
> it works on regular ant, but not on 'ant-on-air' (which the Installer uses).
> Testing a fix, hope to make new RC available in a couple of hrs."...
At the risk o
Hi,
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Alex Harui wrote:
> My current thinking is that we keep the Apache Headers in the
> source file [1] and give attribution in a NOTICE.test file...
> Justin’s position is that he wants to remove the Apache header and replace
> it with a header that calls out t
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that if it didn't happen on dev@, it didn't happen...
Yes ;-)
Balancing jira and the dev list is...a balancing act indeed. I tend to
avoid discussions in jira unless they are directly related to the
specific issue at hand. A
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...It just seems that once you start mixing content
> that isn’t public domain (in this case the TLF markup) if you have to
> determine the % of IP in order to determine which header to use it adds
> extra overhead.
Yeah, that can complicate th
On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Alex Harui wrote:
> ... There is a code file with a portion of the public domain text in it
that
> would probably force a mention of this content in NOTICE
You can just add a comment before that public domain text, that it's public
domain.
That doesn't put any
Hi,
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Bertrand wrote:
>> You can just add a comment before that public domain text, that it's public
>> domain.
>>
> I's prefer to see in the actual files (so you know what is the public
> domain content) as above
> but I also think it's
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...IMO, this stuff is always complicated because the instructions are not
> clear and it takes several emails to agree...
If you keep track of those changes in jira, next time you can just
point to that and say "do like we did in FLEX-NNN" wit
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...The reason I haven't yet removed them from that particular location is
> that it
> contains (Apache licensed) 3rd party code and I'm not 100% sure if we can
> remove
> them or not
I'd rather leave author tags in third-party cod
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...I noticed it says:
> "Binary releases are not currently available."
Note that as per https://flex.apache.org/about-binaries.html there are
no "binary releases".
"binary distributions" or "convenience binaries" would be more
appropriate word
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...IIRC, there is an experiment going on at the ASF about signing
> binaries
That's in production actually,
https://blogs.apache.org/infra/entry/code_signing_service_now_available
-Bertrand
Hi,
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...BTW this is not the first time a issue has come up re that domain name. It
> was mentioned
> in the December 2013 board report. [1]...
The best way to handle this is for this PMC to inform trademarks@a.o
and ask them for advice on h
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...Is it worth trying writing a polite email to the current owners before
> involving trademarks@?..
That might work. If you do so make sure to copy the Flex private list
and mention that in your next board report. It is important to
docume
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...most folks manually download and unzip
> a package and if that zip blows up, they just download again...
Note that the main reason Apache provides digests alongside the files
that we distribute is not to protect people against failed dow
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Christofer Dutz
wrote:
> ...@Alex could you check if Adobe is legally ok with the way I implemented
> it,...
I'm not sure why a company would have a say on something that Apache
Flex does in its own code.
But if you guys think this is needed, I strongly reco
Hi Flex community,
I had private discussions with both Justin and Alex in the last few
days, and as a former incubation mentor of this project it saddens me
to hear that you're having difficulties agreeing on things, so I'm
back here to try and help.
It's not uncommon in Apache projects to disagr
Hi,
I read that thread at http://markmail.org/message/qbipsoo3k4umbh4a
IMO that's a typical example where it's impossible to come up with a
"right" solution...people have various levels of concern for that
issue, ranging from exactly zero to "my customers say our stuff is
crap when they see that"
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Harbs wrote:
> ...The way I understand your suggestion is like this:
> We agree on variant “X”
I would only care about localizing text that is visible when people
run a Flex application - dialogs, error messages etc.
As for everything else, that's eithe
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...can a vote also be (to
> put it bluntly): "[VOTE] stop being pains in the project's buttocks
> and leave the spelling/grammar issue well enough alone!"...
A PMC can make their own rules on such things, but IMO the best way to
end discuss
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...That opinion might translate into
> a -1 vote, but I just checked and that wouldn't amount to a veto for a
> release
I agree that releases cannot be vetoed.
OTOH someone can technically veto a commit that introduces a spelling
error
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> "As per Apache best practices and Bertrand's suggestion, I propose we
> change the following line in our bylaws [...]"...
IIUC this is based on my remark in another thread that
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html specifies that -1 o
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...What I will try to do in the next few weeks is
> to move slowly but surely towards the vote. Step by step. At each
> point the community gets the chance to participate, but after a
> certain deadline, the window for that particular step cl
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...Given it looks like both Alex and Eric has very different views of this no
> RC process I suggest that they
> get it documented...
Documenting your release process sounds like a fantastic idea indeed ;-)
-Bertrand
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...Perhaps "some agreement" or "general agreement" is a better term? You may
> consider
> that an unnecessary distinction but I really think that the PMC as a whole
> misses this
> rather important point about releases
I was going
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...I'll look at the changes and make some more edits later today if I some
> time
Cool - so it looks like there's no need to discuss this further, until
Justin makes those edits and reports here that he's happy with the
result.
Justin,
Hi,
Someone brought the following commits to my attention, asking how you
guys can solve such disagreements without endless discussions.
** Here's the story **
1) Justin commits this to replace for example "utilize" with "utilise":
https://github.com/apache/flex-utilities/commit/68e4e93ac70a61e
Hi,
I just read https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines
and I think allowing vetoes for most everything, as those guidelines
do, is calling for trouble.
The standard Apache voting process [1] specifies vetoes for commits only.
My recommendation would be to make those guidelin
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> ...I'm intentionally not subscribing to your private list at the moment...
FWIW, I have also subscribed to that list now, as I felt I didn't have
the complete picture.
-Bertrand
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...The only Consensus votes remaining in our guidelines (that I can find)
> are for the addition or removal of people in 'official' Apache
> positions (Committers and PMC members)
FWIW I am even suggesting that you guys drop this "consens
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote:
> ...I'm sure if we got
> to the point of voting on something, and there were a large fraction of -1
> (but more +1) we'd still take that as a signal to evaluate whatever it was
> more strongly...
That would be great, yes. And even a single -1
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Harbs wrote:
> ...If you feel it should be changed anyway, I have no objections to that...
I havent checked if allowing vetoes for many things has caused
problems or not so far but I see a potential for creating blocking
problems, so fixing that now is probably a g
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...I'd just like it add that it only come up as an issue as some PMC members
> considered spelling
> issues a "blocker" for release candidates. I'm not sure if they still
> consider that to be the case
Based on http://www.apache.org/fou
On Thursday, December 4, 2014, OmPrakash Muppirala
wrote:
> BTW, what does the TTH in the subject line strands for?
Trying To Help - I made that up a few days ago,
http://flex.markmail.org/thread/re2q3mxlzws76x26
-Bertrand
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...the reason our guidelines require consensus for adding
> people is because of this document [1] and some advice from other
> experienced non-Flex Apache people that having consensus for adding folks
> is important...
I agree if consensus
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...we decided to add a new “all caps” file called
> “CONTRIBUTING" to our release packages. In examining the package, I found
> the file was misspelled as “CONTRIBITING” and felt that because it was in
> the top-level listing it would be worth s
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Harbs wrote:
>> ...So it's back to the discussion about vetoes being harmful.
>
> I don’t understand why you keep coming back to this point. No one (besides
> Justin)
> ever suggested that releases could be vetoed...
Ah sorry, I seemed to recollect
https://cw
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...The process is described here [1] which references [2] and
> best practise described here [3]...
Apart from not having vetoes on release votes, the only things that
the ASF requires about releases are captured in this excerpt from [1]
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...In this particular instance, Justin decided to discard 2 votes instead
> of carrying them over, which the majority of the participating PMC
> members were advocating...
Ok, I didn't study the details but I agree that you cannot carry over
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>> ...Does this PMC have trouble getting 4 people voting on a release?
> Yes, sometimes it hard to get 3 or 4 votes
Ok, so that's something that this PMC should eventually fix - either
by electing more deserving PMC members, or convincing
On Friday, December 5, 2014, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> ...Could part of the problem we have too many projects under the Apache
Flex banner?
> Do other Apache projects have 9+ completely separated, but related,
projects?...
The key is not how many modules you are managing but whether those belong
to
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson
wrote:
> ...many of the leads here seem to double as adobe
> employees... which makes me feel that this is still very heavily controlled
> and owned by adobe for their own corporate interests
I suppose you did not realize how that kind of statem
Hi Flex team,
Reviewing your activities to try and help this community run in a
smoother way, I'm wondering why you need release candidates.
Those were useful during your Apache incubation, to allow "total
strangers" who don't have the right tools for example to review your
releases, but in a sma
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...that is a very accurate summary of the 'less-RC' process [1]
> we've been working on for our future releases...
Oh cool! For some reason that felt more complicated when I looked at
it - I'll have another look after the week-end!
-Bertran
Hi,
I agree that the key thing here is that your releases have to be
approved according to [0], from the ASF's point of view that's all.
This means that before you publish the release artifacts the
apache.org archive of this list needs to contain a documented trace
that shows that you indeed got
One last thought after reviewing your recent community difficulties:
my general feeling that this PMC is making things more complicated
than it should, based on a vague belief that the Apache Software
Foundation has tons of complex requirements and processes that need to
be followed.
That's not th
Hi Alex,
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...My takeaway is that we can vote +1 without checking everything each time...
Definitely, OTOH it's good for voters to briefly indicate what they
checked (signatures, build on platform X, etc.) along with their votes
- also so that o
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote:
> ...Can't we make MD5 checking optional in the installer?...
>From a general Apache point of view, encouraging people to download
binaries without verifying them is very bad.
Giving people the option to shoot themselves in the foot can
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Om wrote:
> ...Anyone wants to suggest content for a blog post, tweets,
> etc. announcing this major milestone?...
a press release is also possible, see
https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_announces34
pr...@apache.org is the c
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> ...I would also like your guys opinion on the replacement site I've been
> working on this weekend :
>
> http://flex.darktech.org
Looks great to me (especially my own bio - loret ipsum indeed ;-)
Like Om, on my Android phone the page
Hi,
Could we have 1-2 additional volunteers from the Flex PMC to moderate
the project's mailing lists? I'm going to step down from that now that
Flex graduated.
If you volunteer, please let me know which email address (registered
as an alias at https://id.apache.org/) you'd like to use for that
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> ...Could we have 1-2 additional volunteers from the Flex PMC to moderate
> the project's mailing lists?...
Thanks to the volunteers, I've created INFRA-5743 for this.
-Bertrand
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> ...Does anybody know if Apache keeps stats as to the package downloads?...
I don't know, but that wouldn't be very relevant anyway as downloads
are mirrored outside of apache.org.
-Bertrand
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Guthmann, Scott
wrote:
> Who can speak for Apache Flex?...
>From my experience in Apache projects, posting on a project's blog is
a good way to express the project's position, and if people are
interviewed they can refer to that.
If the PMC wants to make offi
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Om wrote:
> ...Who should I ask if this it is okay for us to embed GA scripts on the
> site?...
Using Google Analytics is ok if the PMC agrees to do that but the site
needs to make this explicit, stats need IMO to be shared with the PMC
(not sure if google terms
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Justin Mclean
wrote:
> ...All email is archived in several archives. You should be able to find it
> here.
> http://markmail.org/search/+list:org.apache.incubator.flex-dev...
Note that this is conveniently available at http://flex.markmail.org/
-Bertrand
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> ...I'm certainly not a lawyer but after thinking about the EU ePrivacy
> directive I though it would be enough to just have a privacy policy...
Also, the ASF is a US corporation, so EU directives might not be
relevant to our websites (IANAL
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Justin Mclean
wrote:
> ...I know Alex said he would be attending. Will I see any other Flex people
> there?...
I'll be there, presenting on open development,
http://na.apachecon.com/schedule/ - looking forward to seeing you
guys!
-Bertrand
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> ...If you have any pending commits to the site/ directory in
> SVN, please make sure those go in soon as things are about to be all moved
> around there
Could you eventually add the below text for me on the about-people
page?
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Harbs wrote:
> ...Is there any chance of getting the blog [1] skinned to match the website,
> or does it have to match the rest of Apache blogs?...
That runs on http://roller.apache.org/ - you could have a look in
there to see if blogs can have individual sk
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Harbs wrote:
> ...Flex seems to have a css file specific to the Flex blog here:
> http://blogs.apache.org/flex/page/asf-custom.css
>
> It seems to me a question as to whether there's a policy against customizing
> the blog more than anything else…
I don't think
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> ...Bertrand, do you have any photos that are square?...
Does http://dl.dropbox.com/u/715349/bio-pic/bertrand-delacretaz-2010-square.jpg
work?
also, the text under my headshot is incomplete, should be
I'm happy to have been
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Om wrote:
> I was thinking about this. I wanted to have a hidden html component in the
> Installer that would call a special page which simply calls the js function
> on load. This page would be called only from the Installer
IMO, if that happens users sh
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote:
> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders...
> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what
> you have in your handbag or wallet!!!...
...
> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex
>
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Carlos Rovira
wrote:
> ...At the end great projects has a Dictator a then people organizates around
> lieutenants and each suborganization ensures the quality of a module or
> features. Then the dictator is the person designated to integrate in the
> final product
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Carlos Rovira
wrote:
> ...all can be done by consensus (mailing list voting) and then people
> executing that consensus will be the pseudo dictators/lieutenants. Someone
> must execute the integration of features, and the final integration
Sure, that will wor
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Frédéric THOMAS
wrote:
> I'm saying that from how it is happening, infra can't make svn writable (at
> least, let us commit) while they are in process of migrating to git.
It's very probably possible for infra to briefly lock svn (if needed),
convert to Git, unloc
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> ...The gist is that this PMC is responsible for keeping the IP in shape and
> doing the work in the open
I'd also add that whoever commits (or pushes, in the Git model) to the
Apache repository (where all releases must be cut from) takes
r
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> I just wanted to thank you for the feedback you provided in your last
> board report with respect to your experiences with moving to Git. This
> kind of information is really useful to those in other projects...
Note that the Flex team'
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> ... I could get the Flextras components donated, but didn't because assumed
> Apache Flex didn't want to be the dumping ground for 'abandoned code'...
In general yes, but many Apache projects have a "contrib" source code
folder for modules t
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
>
> ...Did I miss something? Do members of Apache Flex somehow get complimentary
> MSDN subscriptions?...
AFAIK the complimentary MSDN subscriptions for Apache committers are
still available, see this (committers-only) link:
https://svn.apa
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> ...AFAIK the complimentary MSDN subscriptions for Apache committers are
> still available, see this (committers-only) link:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/donated-licenses/msdn-subscription.html
And
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
wrote:
> ...Hopefully other committers will chip in with their VMs for the parallel
> runs approach
Note that Apache projects can get VMs as well, there's some minimal
info at http://apache.org/dev/services.html#virtual-servers and tal
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