RE: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-31 Thread Boyle Owen
-Original Message- From: Webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] After you read the article, how could you possibly say that it is spam? Well, the page does try to load javascript content from 4 external sites... Fortunately, my browser's NoScript extension blocks them all. Why do

RE: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-31 Thread Boyle Owen
-Original Message- From: Webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Rich Bowen'; dev@httpd.apache.org Cc: 'Apache Infrastructure' Subject: RE: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars Hello, I've never used

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [ ] Our httpd wiki

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Tony Stevenson
Paul Querna wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [XXX] Our httpd wiki is

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Tony Stevenson
Joshua Slive wrote: On 5/24/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 24, 2007, at 04:23, Tony Stevenson wrote: AskApache has had several email conversations with both myself, and Rich. In which he was asked politely, but firmly to not use links to content on his site. NOTE: NOT

RE: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Webmaster
Hello, I've never used this list so bear with me, I couldn't get docs-help to send me help.Its nice to know Apache has so many helpful people willing to discuss this situation, but why do I get the feeling that none of you have actually read the page in question? Here is the link that is

RE: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Webmaster
The trouble in this particular case is that the contributor in question writes articles that are misleading or completely wrong, and appears to be unaware of the fact that he is being misleading and wrong. I'm not sure if he's genuinely trying to be helpful, or merely trying to inflate

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Nick Kew
On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:15:56 -0500 Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've never used this list so bear with me, I couldn't get docs-help to send me help.Its nice to know Apache has so many helpful people willing to discuss this situation, but why do I get the feeling that

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-30 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
ons 2007-05-30 klockan 21:39 +0100 skrev Nick Kew: It then proceeds to list HTTP status codes, and gives an errordocument for each one. Unfortunately a number of them are bogus gibberish. It's the gibberish Apache emits if you shoot yourself in the foot using Redirect. Garbage in, garbage

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Paul Querna
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [XX] Our httpd wiki is open to external

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [ ] Our httpd wiki is open to external resources

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision,

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Eric Covener
On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a Wiki isn't open to community input ( where community here means *users*, not the typical Apache definition of community meaning the *committers*), then what is it for? The wiki is for community input. Not recognizing the difference

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the elegance of this rule, because if it's your page and you

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
On May 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 5/24/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 24, 2007, at 08:50, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 24, 2007, at 04:23, Tony Stevenson wrote: AskApache has had several email conversations with both myself, and Rich. In which he was asked politely, but firmly to not use links to content on his site. NOTE: NOT because external links are bad, but because the articles to which

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:14:23AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote: NOTE: NOT because external links are bad, but because the articles to which he was linking were misleading, incorrect, and promoted sub- optimal solutions to common problems. The implied endorsement (The Apache docs link to this

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Vincent Bray
On 24/05/07, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 - I don't think a single users abuse should force us into making a catch all policy. Part of the price of running a wiki is that you'll have to deal with abuse from time to time. I also agree with all of Rich's sentiments, but I feel a

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 24, 2007, at 04:23, Tony Stevenson wrote: AskApache has had several email conversations with both myself, and Rich. In which he was asked politely, but firmly to not use links to content on his site. NOTE: NOT because external links

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 5/24/07, Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apache wiki is not some democratic exercise like wikipedia where we need to treat everyone equally. We are a meritocracy, not a democracy, even on the wiki. Certain people (like Rich) have earned the right to make final decisions about what

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 5/24/07, Jorge Schrauwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one rule that states that {INSERT AUTHERIZED PEOPLE HERE} can make a decision on a dispute. Example: some external link that provide bad/false or not prefured information. If that person/persons decide the link needs to go it should.

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
[for infra, who is bcc'ed - three * bullets below] Joshua Slive wrote: Although I respect Bill's desire to have this solved apache-wide, I actually think that this case would have been better addressed in the closer confines of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's just address this particular case and

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [for infra, who is bcc'ed - three * bullets below] * ask infra to reopen the wiki to general write access, * aks infra to please revoke AskApache/their ip from the httpd wiki. +1.

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 5/24/07, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/24/07, Jorge Schrauwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one rule that states that {INSERT AUTHERIZED PEOPLE HERE} can make a decision on a dispute. Example: some external link that provide bad/false or not prefured information. If

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:47:49PM -0500, Webmaster wrote: Say whatever you want, I'm not going to argue when the evidence is online for everyone to examine. Go look at the wiki at my posting history, you will see how unfairly I have been treated. I've done just that today, never having