> And put up a first suggestion.
Ok, let's get the artists to work. Don't ask me! I am to art what George
Bush is to use of the English language :-)
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as the default for the next release of MSO and show you are willing to
compete on an even footing with everyone else. Fact is if you don't you
will be competing on your own when the EU do
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> >>On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
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> >>BTW, we were talking about PR and OOo spo
act as OpenOffice.org
> officials and hopefully don't say nonsense, they are free to
> write, say and blog what they want.
>
> BTW, the news about MA's decision haven't spread in Germany
> yet,
So maybe someone who speaks German should make sure it happens ;-)
> bu
ey messages we want
> to talk about? What will be our news, to make sure the press
> picks up what we have/want to say?
I think first we need to know why this doesn't appear to be happening
now and what needs to be changed to make it happen. The specific
messages are not really the issue.
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> responses to events)
> I think that both (a) and (b) are very important.
This is fine, but I would like to see the various people being discussed
in the discussion or we can make all the suggestions in the world and
nothing w
quickly, for too little
effort are prone to tantrums when things don't go their way. I'd be
surprised if we don't see it more often.
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> The FUD will be loud and it (we) will embarass them, because people get
> this now.
Question: Would it be feasible to set up a petition of MS customers who
would like them to adopt ODF as the default in the next version of
office?
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could easily get people to register their company name on a web site
to say they were in favour. If a lot of people did this it woould put a
lot of pressure on MS to do what their customers are asking them to do.
Like the press release. Maybe needs to be cut down a bit. Usu
specialists in ODF such as Gary Edwards.
Do we have people in every state? If its down to one or two individuals
to try and contact the CTO for each state its a fairly big job.
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1.1.5 so why can't MS? They are not exactly short of resources to do it.
Why not give customers what they want rather than just try and lock out
competition?
> one Microsoft executive said this week after the report
oach and set of
procedures for dealing with objections etc. There is no blinding hurry
for this. I'd say get the volunteers in place first.
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students, who for years have been beset by rising tuition costs."
No wonder the tuition fees are high if they pay $2.3m for stuff they
could get for nothing ;-)
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So to make marketing to large scale organisations effective, get a
strategy to finance doing it. Just being able to pay expenses for
someone to go and talk to the people would be a start.
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Collectively the other languages could be bigger users than English now
but I doubt that is the case individually.
> OOo Marketing must continue to define OOo by what it is, not by the fact
> that it-isn't-Microsoft.
But equally we are in competition with MS
Intersting article by Jono Bacon, a well-known Linux contributor in the
UK.
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7834
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competition. It is in all customers' interests to insist that MS adopt
and support the internationally agreed standard and then we can all
choose our software tools on the basis of price and
its not a bad idea if not for the
main conference at least for a regiCon.
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a massive dream, dream that Fox will air it during
> Prime Time.]
:-)
All of this is partly what inspired me to start the INGOTs. At least
there is some chance of getting an income stream to do something rather
than wishing on a rainbow ;-)
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it I can't see who else is going to pay. Selling merchandise on the day,
based on the experiment I did with Adam isn't going to come close to
covering the costs. In a nutshell, the marketing project needs a revenue
stream.
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hoolforge Uk and Mark Taylor who
is the CEO of the Open Source Consortium of companies. Its important to
get members from a broad range of interest groups to demonstrate that
ODF is a universal standard for all to use.
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Just for info, ODF has members in Australia, Canada, Czech Republic,
France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Poland, USA, UK.
Its early days yet but it would be wrong to think this was just a few
people with limited global support.
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mat. I don't think there is
too much to worry about on the subject of donations. If ODF raises
significant funds, its not likely to be from passive donations, much
more likely from providing services or from larger donations from
individuals and/or companies who really
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> laptop.)
Take a Knoppix disc and run OOo from the live CD so you can run in
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price sensitive than others but only a fool has disregard for costs in
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my business plan progressed I'll create more time to follow these things
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with pretty reasonable accuracy and I bet the vast majority are running
at least some MS software.
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Just keep posting Chad, its good for morale to have a laugh. Its getting
to the stage where if Chad says is sucks, it must be a good idea :-)
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> > desparate for publicity.
>
> Over 1,000 people disagree with you :-)
So far and its only been going a couple of days. Go on Chad, do the
right thing, sign the petition :-)
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> respond.
Except that they can say whatever they like about that to suit
themselves. The point of an independent public petition is just that.
Its independent and public. Whether or not this has any effect remains
to be seen but certainly not tryi
f
people take part in it its because they believe its important. If they
don't the thread will die anyway. The only recent thread drawing similar
interest is "Its hard to beat office king" I would have said that was a
much more worthy candidate to go to social. Apart from that t
file format is supported
by all the significant office suites in the world. So its on topic for
marketing.
I think that now its probably run through most of the associated issues
so it can probably terminate unless others have significant relevant
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reason to please gear conversation back to marketing OpenOffice.
So what do you suggest we need to do to maximise the marketing effort of
2.0? Or have you a specific proposal to further something in the
marketing plan?
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money, we need more simple low cost initiatives that don't take too much
in the way of resources but help keep the product profile in people's
minds. We could do with being at as many IT shows as possible but these
cost money even if the volun
the noise. OOo linkage will do that
to some extent. It will also help to have trial sites which will give
you endorsements and show others that it really works in the environment
you are targeting.
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standards.
This list is about marketing OOo, not squealing with delight at any
prospect that OOo might fail, your bad manners and contempt of the other
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If Florian is elected European of the year it will give great
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and heavily MS dependent. They have announced they will
be removing their dependence on MS Office formats and will be providing
support for OpenOffice.org in future so another cut in the death by a
thousand cuts for the MSO monopoly :-)
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indeed they are over-priced.
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ncommon for them to say one tihng and do
another. I think there is at least a 50:50 chance that MS will change
its mind over supporting ODF, particularly if it looks like they might
lose out on sales if governments start adopting applications and every
other major player in the IT industry promo
lt to compete with
collective tools that will provide much more user flexibility. The good
news is that this won't happen overnight so there is some time, but the
longer its left, the more likely that the boat will be missed. This is
where design
n adding an extension to lock it in to MSO
whenever a file is opened or saved? What is the motivation behind
inventing a different yet functionally almost identical standard to the
one that already exists and was backed by every other player? If they
intend to be truly open that doesn't make any
make minor changes that have major effect hafter milking the PR. We need
to challenge that every step of the way.
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> So welcome aboard, and if you have some concrete ideas please let us know...
Yes, some fresh ideas from somone trained in the area would be really
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I vote with 10 points for this option.
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> longer think that I might?
It means you have confirmed his suspicions that the majority of your
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> Because everyone loves free softw
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> >> So does that mean you no longer doubt I want to support OOo, or you no
> >> longer think that I might?
> >
> > It mea
community" or
something.
> Stories like this are users that we can really count.
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> I confirm this, Nvu if there is no user profile, at startup it prompts a
> similar display. This could be a good solution.
>
> Andrea S.
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fees. Bear in mind that mobile phones are outselling desktop computers
at least 3:1. On that basis the potential for OOo on ARM is bigger than
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On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 18:12 +, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>The .org in the productname directly makes clear this is an Open Source
> >>project and people are tempted to try out the name in a browser to see
> >>more about the product. So actua
its very unlikely that there will be a change in the ownership of the
name Open Office so ita all academic.
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>Nah, I don't like the .org at all. And I don't think it conveys "open
> >>souce" in the slightest.
> >
> > In the slightest? How slight is slight? More intern
ng or development as .org really
is a very minor issue. So what othername would you choose that was
better?
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International Grades in Office Technology
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > Awkward :-) Schwarzenegger is pretty awkward but it doesn't seem to have
> > held him back that much.
>
> Arnie is not a typical case.
What is a typical case? Arnie could easily have change
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 12:40 +, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > The main argument is really that its too trivial an issue to waste any
> > resources on. I'd say if there is any significant cost at all its not
> > worth it. There are far higher priorities
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>Arnie is not a typical case.
> >
> > What is a typical case?
>
> Most famous objects, people and ideas do not become famous by having a
> complicated name.
Equally plenty of
d concentrate on
increasing the take up of OOo and just accept that its not possible to
centrally control a volunteer community that is more rooted in the
anarchy of the bazaar than the hierarchy of the cathedral.
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> Hello,
>
> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:27 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Let's get away from personal invective and concentrate on
> > increasing the take
t leads and the Community Manager - all the three of them
> give their best to further OOo and the marketing project.
>
> (And I'm quite sure that nobody will withdraw his/her affirmation to
> the other points I wrote about because of this statement.)
Of course not.
BTW, +1 bel
associated with. Its more like a centrally controlled dictatorship.
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tical and is proprietary to Sun.
> I wonder if the new version is also included this database or it was
> replace by another one. Is there a specific name for this database? Or
> is it a Sun database solution?
The new database is called BASE. Its a Java application and completely
different from A
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:26 +0800, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I contacted Ryan privately explaining why we were revoking the
> >> MarCon role.
> >>
&
to lock-in will over time lead to a decline and an end to the use
of proprietary formats but it will take a while. After all some people
still use typewriters.
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dominant office suite, an open format would
be less good (from the OOo marketing point of view) because it would
tend to promote competition from other software that also adopts the
open format. I guess some people would say that would be good as a
driving force for improving OOo and it would prob
icle for Computer
Trade Only magazine in the UK
'Adding Value With Open Source' about how OEMs can add value by bundling
open source software.
Not specifically OOo but I'm sure it can feature :-)
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fice.org 2's actual real, as in happended, release has not
been mentioned (last and only mentioned was in a website round-up (?!)
when 2 was still in beta).
The programme's other sins I will address separately (like no mention
of StarOffice 8 either...).
Cheers
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s only a lot
> better and nicer :-)
That is a good point. I'll see if I can fit it in one of the "Box outs".
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owing up What we'll have
> to show is how OOo satisfies their needs and then some; answer
> questions they may have about liability, use, support, etc., as well
> as the fact that OOo is a project, too, and thus something that they
er than solving a problem here but I
have given it a lot of thought over the last two years and I don't see
that there is an obvious solution.
> If this is the general marketing list... I hope all Local projects read
> and help out... as Finn says: I know this worked... why don&
ead of the German Language
project. We are working together on the EuroLinux project and that will
get OOo to schools throughout Europe. We have 10 countries involved.
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ferences for
> OpenOffice.org to attend etc.
>
> * distributes OpenOffice.org press releases if applicable to their
> region.
>
> * conducts presentations and seminars if requested.
>
> * shares ideas, thoughts, plans, what has worked and not worked w
he mountain seems too high to climb no-one
even sets out to try.
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be a lot less constrained by these things but that doeas not mean we
should have no formal structures or management systems.
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> > operating system
>
> I'll take a look. I'm sure I can write that, though it won't be right
> away. I'm visiting my family and my mom will grow fangs if I spend all
> my time at the computer.
You can have time to do
he OOo
site because it will probably involve using Moodle and a whole other set
of things that would make it difficult to implement on the main site.
Also these things will need resources to sustain them so I'm working on
ways of doing that too.
> >If the whole point of your email was
tant :-)
If you want to focus on getting things done you have to take care of the
complaints first and get people on-side who are not. The complaints are
part and parcel of the deal - its why management is not easy.
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> Ian Lynch skrev:
>
> >>>And, again, I feel that your attack on Otto and on Ian's statements as
> >>>being
> >>>very anti-marketing are uncalled for and wrong. First of all, that pa
could have got down
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main decisions are clear about a foundation there is no reason why the
company can not be dissolved after transferring its assets to the
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make things better. Change might
or might not work but the thing is that the status quo isn't working.
Otherwise why did Graham post and say as much?
> For the immediate, then, I'd suggest doing what Graham and I just
> did, and pitch particular events and conferences, highlighting
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> But Ian, let's proceed in a
> rational manner :-)
My Name is Ian R Lynch.
The R stands for rational. I'm trained as a physicist, how else could I
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uploaded on the main OOo site on a
> regular basis.
Multumesc, Christian.
Also more intuitive URLS.
> > Lowering the barriers to participation is the first thing to do... The
> > CC has to open them!
> >
> They are lowering day by day, but it seems that this should be
> advertised better so that everybody sees it.
And discussions like this help high-light them so they have value.
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