Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Jason van Zyl wrote: I don't think we will be adding many new plugins here at Apache and we consider Mojo an equal wrt hosting plugins. The mojo groupId is a default as well when dealing with plugins so at Apache or Codehaus it makes no difference where you work or what you work on. As far a

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 30 Aug 06, at 12:26 PM 30 Aug 06, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: The goal is to get people integrated into our process and encourage contributions and collaboration so we would adapt as necessary to attain that goal. For example if you did all the work for the foo-plugin then I would support yo

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Jason van Zyl wrote: The PMC must approve a release, and anyone doing a release would most likely be on the PMC but I don't believe that is a strict requirement. So if you were very motivated to release the JAR plugin and went through our standard process to release it then I would support tha

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Brett Porter
On 31/08/2006, at 12:06 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: ok, I grew angry possibly, sorry! So let's (the "us" in fact being "me", like Louis XIV ...) calm down and return to discussion. I'm often short in mails too - don't read any anger into it :) I think we agree on that. However, you haven't

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jason van Zyl
cent tests and passes the docck minimum requirements. You can pump out as many snapshots as you want though. That's a policy I'd like to see for the "Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers" (MSAC) too. But what about the second, third, ... release? Can I (or we) as the plugins

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
ests and passes the docck minimum requirements. You can pump out as many snapshots as you want though. That's a policy I'd like to see for the "Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers" (MSAC) too. But what about the second, third, ... release? Can I (or we) as the plugins auth

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 30 Aug 06, at 6:51 AM 30 Aug 06, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Brett Porter wrote: -1 (snapshots are fine). The ability to publish half-baked, undocumented releases (which is what they are if they can't garner votes to get out of the sandbox) allows us to get lazy mea

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 30 Aug 06, at 5:53 AM 30 Aug 06, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: When can I start to use it? :-) I'd immediately move the XML plugin from Mojo and contribute two plugins, which are related to Axis 2. Honestly, I've never been glad having to use the Mojo project, because a) I do not have committ

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Hi, ok, I grew angry possibly, sorry! So let's (the "us" in fact being "me", like Louis XIV ...) calm down and return to discussion. Brett Porter wrote: Obviously we need a balance, and I was referring to a harder stance on pre-release sandbox plugins rather than ongoing support of already

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Brett Porter
On 30/08/2006, at 8:51 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Brett Porter wrote: -1 (snapshots are fine). The ability to publish half-baked, undocumented releases (which is what they are if they can't garner votes to get out of the sandbox) allows us to get lazy meaning full

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Brett Porter wrote: -1 (snapshots are fine). The ability to publish half-baked, undocumented releases (which is what they are if they can't garner votes to get out of the sandbox) allows us to get lazy meaning full releases don't arrive and we've suffered enough for

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Brett Porter wrote: -1 (snapshots are fine). The ability to publish half-baked, undocumented releases (which is what they are if they can't garner votes to get out of the sandbox) allows us to get lazy meaning full releases don't arrive and we've suffered enough for it already. Ok, but wh

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Brett Porter
On 30/08/2006, at 7:53 PM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: One question, though: Even if a plugin does have sandbox status, it should, IMO, nevertheless be able to publish releases. How do others feel here? -1 (snapshots are fine). The ability to publish half-baked, undocumented releases (which i

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
When can I start to use it? :-) I'd immediately move the XML plugin from Mojo and contribute two plugins, which are related to Axis 2. Honestly, I've never been glad having to use the Mojo project, because a) I do not have committers access there, which makes me loose a lot of time and b)

RE: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-30 Thread Vincent Massol
+1, good idea. -Vincent > -Original Message- > From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: mercredi 30 août 2006 01:01 > To: Maven Developers List > Subject: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers > > Hi, > > I'm sending this here as folks develo

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-29 Thread Emmanuel Venisse
+1 Emmanuel Jason van Zyl a écrit : Hi, I'm sending this here as folks developing Maven projects probably all subscribe here. On the PMC list we've talked about setting up a sandbox that all Apache committers would have access to so that experimentation with Maven projects can happen easi

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-29 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 Nice idea. Regards, Alan Jason van Zyl wrote: Hi, I'm sending this here as folks developing Maven projects probably all subscribe here. On the PMC list we've talked about setting up a sandbox that all Apache committers would have access to so that experimentation with Maven projects c

Re: Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-29 Thread Jeremy Whitlock
Hi All, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to vote but I will put my two cents in anyways. I think this would make things a lot easier on those like me trying to get involved in Continuum and Maven. I spent 2 hours last night trying to figure out how IntelliJ screwed up my working copy just so I did

Maven Sandbox for Apache Committers

2006-08-29 Thread Jason van Zyl
Hi, I'm sending this here as folks developing Maven projects probably all subscribe here. On the PMC list we've talked about setting up a sandbox that all Apache committers would have access to so that experimentation with Maven projects can happen easily. Case in point: Jeremy and Edwi