Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2007-01-02 Thread Tom Huybrechts
On 1/2/07, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wendy Smoak wrote: > On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release > > > still contains a SNAPSHOT keyw

RE: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2007-01-02 Thread Dan Fabulich
Wendy Smoak wrote: > On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release > > > still contains a SNAPSHOT keyword in the metadata/filename? > > > > Yes, that's th

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 22 Dec 06, at 10:03 PM 22 Dec 06, Craig McClanahan wrote: On 12/22/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-23 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 22 Dec 06, at 9:45 PM 22 Dec 06, Wendy Smoak wrote: On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release > still contains a SNAPSHOT keyword in the metadata/filename? Y

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-23 Thread Tom Huybrechts
On 12/23/06, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/22/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' rele

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-22 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 12/22/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release > > still contains a SNAPSHOT keyword in the metadata/filename?

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-22 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 12/22/06, Dan Fabulich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release > still contains a SNAPSHOT keyword in the metadata/filename? Yes, that's the problem. I would agree, but that's not ho

RE: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-22 Thread Dan Fabulich
Comments inline... Brett Porter wrote: > Does this cover the whole topic? > http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/BEA+Maven+Requirement+Documen ts I'd say that highlights a lot of the most important requirements; it's probably best read together with the blog article as well. http://darkfor

RE: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-22 Thread Dan Fabulich
Comments inline... > -Original Message- > From: Kenney Westerhof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:07 AM > To: Maven Developers List > Subject: Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release > Process. > > Hi, >

RE: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-22 Thread Dan Fabulich
OK, I've finally written up the Compass way of doing things. I've got it as a blog article for easier reading (and HTML formatting), but I'm also including the text below. http://darkforge.blogspot.com/2006/12/compass-as-compared-with-mavens.ht ml In this article, I'll describe some of the diffe

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-21 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12/21/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> robert burrell donkin wrote: >> > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> robert burrell donkin wrote: >> >> > On 12/19/06, Steve Lo

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-21 Thread Steve Loughran
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> robert burrell donkin wrote: >> > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2. looking to get managemen

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-21 Thread Steve Loughran
Carlos Sanchez wrote: just some holiday fun ahead... On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are >> >> 1. planning an apache con EU talk, "fear the repository police". > > in suitable costumes, i hope ;-) nothing planned, but if we have someone in the audience cued up to s

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12/20/06, Carlos Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: just some holiday fun ahead... On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We are > >> > >> 1. planning an apache con EU talk, "fear the repository police". > > > > in suitable costumes, i hope ;-) > > nothing planned, but if

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> robert burrell donkin wrote: >> > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2. looking to get management approval to hand the code t

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-20 Thread Carlos Sanchez
just some holiday fun ahead... On 12/20/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We are >> >> 1. planning an apache con EU talk, "fear the repository police". > > in suitable costumes, i hope ;-) nothing planned, but if we have someone in the audience cued up to say "I didnt expect the

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-20 Thread Steve Loughran
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I'd like to see POM auditing in there somewhere. > > +1 > > henri's been talking about adding this to RAT. IMHO this

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: > On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I'd like to see POM auditing in there somewhere. > > +1 > > henri's been talking about adding this to RAT. IMHO this should be > implemented as a

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread Steve Loughran
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to see POM auditing in there somewhere. +1 henri's been talking about adding this to RAT. IMHO this should be implemented as a separate component so that it could be used by a variety of applicatio

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12/19/06, Steve Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to see POM auditing in there somewhere. +1 henri's been talking about adding this to RAT. IMHO this should be implemented as a separate component so that it could be used by a variety of applications: for example, it might be i

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread Tom Huybrechts
On 12/19/06, Antoine Levy-Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Joakim, I like this discussion, I am a big fan of automating the release process. I also have some hands on experience being RM for Ant 1.6 and 1.7. For Ant 1.7, we are using what you call the staged release process. When I pr

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread Antoine Levy-Lambert
Hello Joakim, I like this discussion, I am a big fan of automating the release process. I also have some hands on experience being RM for Ant 1.6 and 1.7. For Ant 1.7, we are using what you call the staged release process. When I prepare a build, I have to assume that the vote on the bina

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-19 Thread Steve Loughran
Joakim Erdfelt wrote: This is just a synopsis email about the future of the release process. Disclaimer: I am not attempting to set policy, just to get discussion going, document it, and work towards the ideal toolchain that make the future of apache releases

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-18 Thread Brett Porter
Does this cover the whole topic? http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/BEA+Maven+Requirement +Documents I think it's all good - as long as it is all built on top of the stuff we already have (including what Joakim is proposing). It will probably require changes to many aspects of Maven

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-18 Thread Brett Porter
On 14/12/2006, at 10:46 AM, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: * If unanimous +1 vote by 7 or more PMC members, then release can occur before 72 hour window is up. Don't really understand the rush, or the arbitrary number 7 (yes, it is the number of perfection, but other than that, it has

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-15 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:46, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: > Techniques: > 2) Staged release process > This process uses a staging workflow, there is no plugin for this > process (yet). > > The benefits of this process is that a real binary is being blessed. > This process als

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-14 Thread Daniel Kulp
On Wednesday 13 December 2006 18:54, Tom Huybrechts wrote: > >6) All source files in the sources.jar files will contain the > > following header. > > ---(snip)--- > > Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one > > or more contributor license agreements. See th

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-14 Thread Kenney Westerhof
Hi, If I understand correctly, the problem is that a 'staged' release still contains a SNAPSHOT keyword in the metadata/filename? Also, how would you see snapshot 'releases' without a snapshot keyword? If there's no indicator (timestamp?) in the filename, you'll overwrite the previous deployed

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-14 Thread Carlos Sanchez
On 12/14/06, Graham Leggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, December 14, 2006 1:46 am, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: > Disclaimer: I am not attempting to set policy, just to get discussion > going, > document it, and work towards the ideal toolchain that > make the > fut

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-14 Thread Graham Leggett
On Thu, December 14, 2006 1:46 am, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: > Disclaimer: I am not attempting to set policy, just to get discussion > going, > document it, and work towards the ideal toolchain that > make the > future of apache releases smooth, consistent, and resilient

Re: Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-13 Thread Jason van Zyl
Hi Dan, I think what you are describing is what you do at your work place, and I think it might be good if you could give us a full description of your system for folks here to help them understand exactly what it is you're talking about. I probably know a little more about it then most h

Who should use SNAPSHOT when? RE: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-13 Thread Dan Fabulich
Thanks for a great e-mail Joakim. I wanted to chime in with my two cents... (I've been off the radar for a couple of months while waiting for permission to sign my ICLA; it's in now, and I'm now back to paying more careful attention to this process... forgive me if some of this has already been

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-13 Thread Rahul Thakur
Joakim Erdfelt wrote: This is just a synopsis email about the future of the release process. Disclaimer: I am not attempting to set policy, just to get discussion going, document it, and work towards the ideal toolchain that make the future of apache releases

Re: The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-13 Thread Tom Huybrechts
6) All source files in the sources.jar files will contain the following header. ---(snip)--- Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file distributed with this work for additional informatio

The Future of the Release Process.

2006-12-13 Thread Joakim Erdfelt
This is just a synopsis email about the future of the release process. Disclaimer: I am not attempting to set policy, just to get discussion going, document it, and work towards the ideal toolchain that make the future of apache releases smooth, consistent, and